Canucks News, Rumours, & Fantasy GM | Part 2

[canuckking1]

Beau-Petey-Kuze
Hoglander-Miller-Mikheyev
Pod-3C-Garland
Joshua-Aman-PDG

Still have faith in Hoglander.

 

[God]

I don’t like to predict UFAs but it’s worth noting that LA will have virtually zero cap space once they extend their RFAs (especially Vilardi) and sort their goaltending situation. And there aren’t really many obvious players to cap dump.

I see a lot of Kings fans throwing in Durzi/Walker into trade proposals... I really liked Durzi's mobility in the games I've seen of him, and wonder if he's a target.

I like that this guy's advisors think that a spot on the team for him is somehow blocked by Hronek, who is in another stratosphere of playing ability and only 8 months older. He'll be competing with the likes of Jett Woo in the organizational depth chart, not Hronek.

 

[kinghock]

No one here thought Gavrikov was a realistic possibility.

It is being pushed by agents & also occasionally the organization’s mouthpiece Rick Dhaliwal that Gavrikov is a guy to watch for.

Whether it’s Milstein leveraging outside interest (we have seen this happen before with Brenden Dillon who proceeded to sign a day after he went on air with RD and stated he would love to return home) or it’s genuine - who knows.

But someone is feeding RD here. The extent of why will be found out later. For now, it’s a worthy discussion

Kings Of The Podcast: Ep. 152 with Vladislav Gavrikov

mayorsmanor.com

 

[MS]

I see a lot of Kings fans throwing in Durzi/Walker into trade proposals... I really liked Durzi's mobility in the games I've seen of him, and wonder if he's a target.

Problem is that Durzi is signed dirt cheap for another year and Walker doesn't really make much either.

Assuming they spend $3-4 million on a goalie, they don't really have the money to sign Gavrikov even if they trade both of those guys and take no salary back.

 

[God]

Problem is that Durzi is signed dirt cheap for another year and Walker doesn't really make much either.

Assuming they spend $3-4 million on a goalie, they don't really have the money to sign Gavrikov even if they trade both of those guys and take no salary back.

Well that just goes to show that everytime I read the Trade board, I lose brain cells.

 

[MS]

Well that just goes to show that everytime I read the Trade board, I lose brain cells.

For the sake of showing my math :

- right now LA has $7.9 million in cap space for next year with 11F 6D 1G signed.

- if they bridge Vilardi at $2.5 million (which might actually be conservative) and sign Kupari at $1 million to give them 13 forwards on the roster, that takes their cap space down to $4.4 million.

- right now the only goalie they have under contract is career minor-leaguer Pheonix Copley (whose parents deserve to be flogged at the same time as Micheal Ferland's) who has had a nice W-L record but is 31 and rocking a .899 this year. They absolutely have to spend this summer on some sort of goalie. Assuming they spend $3.5 million (which again is probably conservative) then that's cap space down to $900k.

- if they trade both of Durzi ($1.7) and Walker ($2.6) that gets them up to $5.2 million but with only 4 defenders signed. Replace those with minimum wage guys to fill out the roster, and that's still only $3.6 million in cap space, which is not enough to sign Gavrikov.

Agreed that Durzi is a terrific player, for the record.

 

[credulous]

the kings could move arvidsson pretty easily. that's another 4.2m in space

they could also pay someone to take cal petersen if they really want gavrikov

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Everyone has Pearson on litr…not convinced that will be the case. He would slot into the 3rd line LW spot and Mikheyev was brought here to play in the top six. Although both are playing better I feel both Garland and Boeser need to go to free up money.

Apart from Gaudreau I also like Christian Fisher who will be an restricted free agent. Would be a nice fit in the bottom six.

Beau - Petterson - Kuzmenko
LW - Miller - Mikheyev
Pearson - Gaudreau - Fisher
Joshua - Aman - Podkolzin
PDG

Maybe McD slots in beside Miller, we’ll see.

Beau-Petey-Kuze
Hoglander-Miller-Mikheyev
Pod-3C-Garland
Joshua-Aman-PDG

Still have faith in Hoglander.

I think they have played around 100 minutes together with disastrous results. Obviously Miller has picked up his game from the start of the season where they would have seen most of their time together. But they don't really fit well together on a line. I think Beau and Miller fit better but I can't see them breaking up the first line after all the success and chemistry they have. Garland and Miller have always put up great results. This year they just got really unlucky when they played together. Even Boeser and Miller seemed to have chemistry. Also I think Compher and Mikheyev would make a heck of a checking line.

 

[arttk]

the kings could move arvidsson pretty easily. that's another 4.2m in space

they could also pay someone to take cal petersen if they really want gavrikov

Petersen is going to be hella expensive to move out. 5M for 2 more after this season.
Thats like multiple 1st.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I see a lot of Kings fans throwing in Durzi/Walker into trade proposals... I really liked Durzi's mobility in the games I've seen of him, and wonder if he's a target.


I like that this guy's advisors think that a spot on the team for him is somehow blocked by Hronek, who is in another stratosphere of playing ability and only 8 months older. He'll be competing with the likes of Jett Woo in the organizational depth chart, not Hronek.

It’s because Hronek takes up another RHD spot.

Most likely saw the Nucks blueline with a clear path of a Top 4 spot.

Myers is going nowhere so at best, it’s a Bottom 6.

There are other opportunities around the league that they may feel is better.

 

[God]

It’s because Hronek takes up another RHD spot.

Most likely saw the Nucks blueline with a clear path of a Top 4 spot.

Myers is going nowhere so at best, it’s a Bottom 6.

There are other opportunities around the league that they may feel is better.

Yes, I am saying that whoever is on his team is mis-reading the situation. We probably don't have the worst organizational RD depth in the league but it's bottom third, and one high-end RD doesn't change that because he's never going to compete with him for a job. Nor will he be competing with soon-to-be UFA Myers or possibly-not-here Bear.

 

[Gstank]

Petersen is going to be hella expensive to move out. 5M for 2 more after this season.
Thats like multiple 1st.

Its probably a 1st and a prospect. Nothing too ground breaking

 

[credulous]

Petersen is going to be hella expensive to move out. 5M for 2 more after this season.
Thats like multiple 1st.

yeah but la are asset rich. if you're anaheim or montreal or chicago do you say no to durzi, petersen and a 2nd?

 

[Peen]

I think they have played around 100 minutes together with disastrous results. Obviously Miller has picked up his game from the start of the season where they would have seen most of their time together. But they don't really fit well together on a line. I think Beau and Miller fit better but I can't see them breaking up the first line after all the success and chemistry they have. Garland and Miller have always put up great results. This year they just got really unlucky when they played together. Even Boeser and Miller seemed to have chemistry. Also I think Compher and Mikheyev would make a heck of a checking line.

I am still very desperate to see Beauvillier with Miller.

 

[arttk]

Its probably a 1st and a prospect. Nothing too ground breaking

It will be like 2 1st rounder equivalent or LA has to retain quite a bit.

yeah but la are asset rich. if you're anaheim or montreal or chicago do you say no to durzi, petersen and a 2nd?

That’s a pretty expensive transaction for LA.

 

[DonnyNucker]

It’s because Hronek takes up another RHD spot.

Most likely saw the Nucks blueline with a clear path of a Top 4 spot.

Myers is going nowhere so at best, it’s a Bottom 6.

There are other opportunities around the league that they may feel is better.

What a stupid comment. Are any of these NCAA players or their agents stupid enough to think they can walk into the top 4 on a team? Myers has one more year.

 

[canuckking1]

I'd actually put money on Gavrikov coming here with the Goldstar connection, but it will be at a pretty penny and likely above market rate. Ditto for Barbashev. That if the canucks can make the cap space.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

- if they trade both of Durzi ($1.7) and Walker ($2.6) that gets them up to $5.2 million but with only 4 defenders signed. Replace those with minimum wage guys to fill out the roster, and that's still only $3.6 million in cap space, which is not enough to sign Gavrikov.

The guy I think LA moves is Matt Roy. $3.1M and on the older side, so I doubt they re-sign him.

Durzi is still an RFA after his current deal (which expires at the same time as Kopitar's $10M). No way they move him IMO.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

By the way, offer-sheeting Rasmus Kupari at $2.1M (3rd round compensation) is a low-key jerk move I would love to see Allvin make. No way LA is in a position to match, and the Canucks would add a young speedy, penalty-killing right shot C.

 

[Gstank]

By the way, offer-sheeting Rasmus Kupari at $2.1M (3rd round compensation) is a low-key jerk move I would love to see Allvin make. No way LA is in a position to match, and the Canucks would add a young speedy, penalty-killing right shot C.

I think Kupari, Krebs, Glass were at the top of the list of "young Cs" That Allvin talked to Pittsburgh about.

 

[VanJack]

Looking at the individual scoring leaders this evening, I note that David Pastrnak and Matthew Tkachuck are tied with 97 points on the season--and of course Pastrnak gets the edge with his 51 goals. 51 freakin' goals!

I know every team has its share of drafting horrors.....but just for reference. The Bruins picked Pastrnak at 25th overall in 2014 one pick after the Canucks picked Jared McCann.......and 19 picks after the Canucks took Virtanen.

Of course when it comes to the 2016 draft, all Canuck fans can do is cover their eyes. The Canucks took Oli Juolevi fifth overall; and the Flames nabbed Tkachuk at #6.

On how the history of the Canucks could so easily have been re-written.

 

[Gstank]

Looking at the individual scoring leaders this evening, I note that David Pastrnak and Matthew Tkachuck are tied with 97 points on the season--and of course Pastrnak gets the edge with his 51 goals. 51 freakin' goals!

I know every team has its share of drafting horrors.....but just for reference. The Bruins picked Pastrnak at 25th overall in 2014 one pick after the Canucks picked Jared McCann.......and 19 picks after the Canucks took Virtanen.

Of course when it comes to the 2016 draft, all Canuck fans can do is cover their eyes. The Canucks took Oli Juolevi fifth overall; and the Flames nabbed Tkachuk at #6.

On how the history of the Canucks could so easily have been re-written.

Our draft slots would have been higher with either of those players which means no Petey, Hughes and probably no Tkchuck as well

 

[JT Milker]

I think Kupari, Krebs, Glass were at the top of the list of "young Cs" That Allvin talked to Pittsburgh about.

God imagine if we’d traded Miller for a 1st and then the 1st for glass

 

[geebaan]

A package around Hogs for Durzi could be something

 

[StickShift]

By the way, offer-sheeting Rasmus Kupari at $2.1M (3rd round compensation) is a low-key jerk move I would love to see Allvin make. No way LA is in a position to match, and the Canucks would add a young speedy, penalty-killing right shot C.

I'm gonna share again the same thing I posted last time this idea came up... Why offer sheets don't happen can be explained by a PSYC100 class.

Offer sheets are a lose-lose prisoner’s dilemma. You nearly always guarantee a retaliatory offer sheet from the same team the next time you are in an RFA bind. You might get Kupari, but you’ll lose Podkolzin. Or maybe worst of all, match an offer sheet equivalent to the Kotkaniemi contract.​

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The offer-sheet version of the prisoner's dilemma goes as follows: Let's pretend that the Vancouver Canucks (Prisoner A) and Los Angeles Kings (Prisoner B) are both interested in acquiring a player from the other team. The Canucks want Rasmus Kupari, and the Kings want Vasili Podkolzin.​

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In this scenario—if both teams cooperate, they can simply trade their desired players and both teams benefit. However, if only one team cooperates, they can offer-sheet the player they want and acquire them by giving up minimal assets.​

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If the Vancouver Canucks only seek their incentive and the Los Angeles Kings do not, the Canucks will offer-sheet Rasmus Kupari and acquire him for minimal assets. Similarly, if the Los Angeles Kings only seek their incentive and the Vancouver Canucks do not, they will offer-sheet Vasili Podkolzin and acquire him for minimal assets.​

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However, if neither team cooperates, they will both attempt to acquire the player they want through an offer-sheet, and both teams will end up paying twice as much as what either player is worth to keep them on their original team, resulting in a lose-lose outcome.​

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Just like the prisoner's dilemma, the hockey team dilemma highlights the importance of cooperation and trust in achieving better outcomes. If both teams can work together and find a way to benefit each other, they will both end up better off. In this specific scenario—the two teams would be better off trading each player for one another and not increasing their salaries, than mutually offer-sheeting each other's player and needlessly increasing the salary of both players.​