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[Mr. Canucklehead]

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[Nopefully]

That and created a weird rule where no defencemen could be paid more than Bieksa. The Ballard-Ehrhoff example still sticks with me.

We could've had Ehrhoff back for $5.1m. We weren't the same without him, it was a damn shame. Gillis's greatest blunder.

Edit: $5.2, hah it's been a while.

 

[Vector]

We could've had Ehrhoff back for $5.1m. We weren't the same without him, it was a damn shame. Gillis's greatest blunder.

Powerplay was completely broken without him. I've never seen a Canuck gain entry as smoothly as he could.

 

[tradervik]

For the record, I think the team is trying to play hardball with everyone and then seeing who (or if anyone cracks) and where they can get the best deals before moving upward and starting to meet demands on some of these guys. But it's a dangerous game to be playing.

It’s a dangerous game but I’m sure you agree they have to play it. Otherwise you wind up with the kinds of contracts we loved to hate during Benning’s reign of error.

 

[MS]

True and they've moved off their guys before to but neither of them were "their guy".

They've moved off guys like Kuzmenko but they didn't pay to get rid of Kuzmenko.

It's a whole other thing to eat shit and trade assets to move out a big signing that you made. It's very publicly admitting a mistake and NHL teams (and most people in every walk of life, really) struggle with this.

 

[supercanuck]

I don't have any solutions, but I am not sure if the defense is Cup calibre. I am not 100% comfortable with running back the same defence that couldn't handle Edmonton's forecheck, but with Hronek and Z with much larger and longer contracts. It kind of locks-in 3 of the top 4 dmen slots.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

I'm someone who is a big believer in momentum, 'vibe' around the team, sense of direction playing into the results a team generates more than just looking at names on paper and trying to project.

If the team loses warriors like Joshua and Zadorov while keeping a non-contributor like Mikheyev, I'd bet we'll see a massive sag in performance next year. This is what happened in 2007 when management didn't back up the players, and this is what happened in 2020 when management didn't back up the players.

There is a 0% chance that you'd see Mikheyev back if he was on TB or Vegas. This is a litmus test for management to get shit done and be a cutthroat big boy club, and if they end up bringing back Mikheyev over Zadorov/Joshua it's just a massive failure.

Yeah. While having players out perform their contracts and knowing when to walk away when their demands are too much is important. But, if you let players that are hard to replace that play important positions or possess rare qualities that are important for winning because they might be 0.5m overpaid or whatever to have more cap space to spend on worse players is the opposite extreme of overpaying everybody. I don’t like the 6x6 number for Zadorov( would hate to lose him though, so hopefully that number comes down) but we should absolutely be bringing back Joshua for the 4x3+ number. It’S about knowing who is worth paying and management has done well with that so far.

Also to the people who say just find the next Joshua, it is not that easy. He has to be willing to sign here, and there is maybe a 25% chance of him developing into a Joshua like player. You won’t catch lightning in a bottle every time.

 

[MS]

It’s a dangerous game but I’m sure you agree they have to play it. Otherwise you wind up with the kinds of contracts we loved to hate during Benning’s reign of error.

For sure. Although if the $3 million ask from Joshua was accurate I would have jumped all over that.

 

[Vector]

For sure. Although if the $3 million ask from Joshua was accurate I would have jumped all over that.

I don't think that was actually the reported ask. Sounds closer to 4-4.5m.

 

[MS]

Also to the people who say just find the next Joshua, it is not that easy. He has to be willing to sign here, and there is maybe a 25% chance of him developing into a Joshua like player. You won’t catch lightning in a bottle every time.

Yeah, I find it very frustrating when people act like signing some 15-point 4th liner for $2 million is somehow 'replacing Joshua' or '80% of Joshua' or good math in any way.

Joshua was basically a quality 2nd liner here last year. You aren't replacing him by overpaying 4th liners.

I don't think that was actually the reported ask. Sounds closer to 4-4.5m.

One of the reports about 2 weeks ago was that 'the Canucks weren't willing to go to $3 million for Joshua'. I thought that implied that was what it would take but maybe it was the team's ceiling.

 

[Vector]

One of the reports about 2 weeks ago was that 'the Canucks weren't willing to go to $3 million for Joshua'. I thought that implied that was what it would take but maybe it was the team's ceiling.

Everything from Dhaliwal, so you know grain of salt and the number will be lower, is 4-4.5m. My guess is that there's a deal to be had with term and 3.5m to say with the Canucks.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Just wanna say the moment Zadorov signs im ordering his jersey. Too bad it's only Fanatics garbage now.

 

[credulous]

i get that people like joshua and zadorov and think hronek is irreplaceable in the short term but these guys want to get paid and the canucks weren't good enough even with basically half the roster putting up career years

something has to give if this team is going to improve. banking on lekkerimaki and willander stepping in as big time contributors in the spring isn't it

 

[thecupismine]

This is the sort of 'logical' thing that weak management groups come up with as solutions. It's what Dave Nonis would do.

It sounds good in theory but in an actual NHL dressing room it's a killer.

Conversely, there was an interview with Gillis during the 2010-2011 season where he mentioned his original vision was to push all the chips in for the 2011-2012 season.

However, during the exit meetings of 09/10, he talked with the Sedins & Kesler and realized he needed to do everything he could to support them to ride their breakouts into contention, and that not doing it would be irresponsible.

Can you imagine after this season Petey comes back and see's Mikheyev and Hoglander on his wings again? Or Hughes loses Hronek after the guy helped him into his first (presumably) Norris season? Just completely demoralizing.

 

[Hodgy]

i get that people like joshua and zadorov and think hronek is irreplaceable in the short term but these guys want to get paid and the canucks weren't good enough even with basically half the roster putting up career years

something has to give if this team is going to improve. banking on lekkerimaki and willander stepping in a being big time contributors in the spring isn't it

Anyway you slice it the “something has to give” is the Canucks hitting some home runs on free agency or via trade where we end up paying players far less than their future impact dictates. That’s the reality for this team. And probability wise, they will likely fail.

 

[credulous]

Anyway you slice it the “something has to give” is the Canucks hitting some home runs on free agency or via trade where we end up paying players far less than their future impact dictates. That’s the reality for this team. And probability wise, they will likely fail.

yeah but that doesn't line up with keeping zadorov, joshua and hronek at more than double their cost last season

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Just wanna say the moment Zadorov signs im ordering his jersey. Too bad it's only Fanatics garbage now.

Only order from Hockey Authentic, or walk into the team store to get a jersey.

I wouldn't trust ordering anything from anywhere else - the Fanatics nightmares are too many to count.

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And yeah, my oldest son was like "I want a Zadorov jersey NOW" during the playoffs, and I cautioned "wait until July". I hope he stays.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Don’t get me wrong, I love having a management team that can actually manage the cap correctly, and that they understand the importance of having efficient contracts, especially at the bottom of the roster. I just hope they don’t cross over the line in caring more about winning moneyball than building a roster that gives us the best chance to win a Stanley Cup.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Anyway you slice it the “something has to give” is the Canucks hitting some home runs on free agency or via trade where we end up paying players far less than their future impact dictates. That’s the reality for this team. And probability wise, they will likely fail.

Mikheyev was a huge miss but I think this management group has earned our trust. If they are foregoing re-signing these guys, then it's likely their pro-scouting crew has probably meticulously identified replacements.

If these replacements come in and proceed to tank the team into a non-playoff position, then yeah....alarm bells will start ringing.

 

[MS]

i get that people like joshua and zadorov and think hronek is irreplaceable in the short term but these guys want to get paid and the canucks weren't good enough even with basically half the roster putting up career years

something has to give if this team is going to improve. banking on lekkerimaki and willander stepping in as big time contributors in the spring isn't it

I mean, we would almost certainly have been in the Conference Finals if we hadn't been forced to play our 3rd string goalie in the playoffs instead of the guy who was 2nd in Vezina voting.

This was a very good team last year.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Only order from Hockey Authentic, or walk into the team store to get a jersey.

I wouldn't trust ordering anything from anywhere else - the Fanatics nightmares are too many to count.

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And yeah, my oldest son was like "I want a Zadorov jersey NOW" during the playoffs, and I cautioned "wait until July". I hope he stays.

I believe Addas no longer will be making jerseys now? I thought Fanatics is the only manufacturer now.

But when I order I'll likely be going to Hockey Authentic.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

I believe Addas no longer will be making jerseys now? I thought Fanatics is the only manufacturer now.

But when I order I'll likely be going to Hockey Authentic.

How about these beauty's!

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I believe Addas no longer will be making jerseys now? I thought Fanatics is the only manufacturer now.

But when I order I'll likely be going to Hockey Authentic.

Yeah, it’s all Fanatics - but for cresting and customization, I’d only trust those two.

 

[Hansen]

Just wanna say the moment Zadorov signs im ordering his jersey. Too bad it's only Fanatics garbage now.

If you reach out to the team store they probably would be able to customize an Adidas for you while they last

 

[Baby Pettersson]

If you reach out to the team store they probably would be able to customize an Adidas for you while they last

Good to know. Thanks!

 

[olafsson]

Per Rick - Zadorov wants to stay in van and doesn’t wanna play anywhere else

Then buddy needs to be reasonable with his contract ask