Canucks Management and Ownership Thread v30.0 (Post #186)

[Kickassguy]

Heads-up - Benning's on 1040 right now.

 

[jester00]

Heads-up - Benning's on 1040 right now.

Highlights (or more likely Lowlights) if anyone has the time please

 

[Seatoo]

Benning on 1040: I won't apologize to the fans about where we are at.




Full on delusional and deep into complete denial mode.

 

[Samzilla]

Highlights (or more likely Lowlights) if anyone has the time please

benning thinks we can still make the playoffs

 

[Kickassguy]

Benning on 1040 this morning.

- on Virtanen: we were on the road, he played a bunch of games where it looked like he was taking a step forward, the Toronto game didn't go well for him, he sat out, was asked to go down and play a couple of games in UTI and come back. Came back on Sunday, Tues a coach's decision not to play him. Met as group THEN to discuss best course of action and settled on AHL. Harder to develop players on the West Coast than the East Coast - not a lot of practice time.

(Uhhhh... okay. Kinda late to get on the same page, no?)

- on state of Canucks: we said we wanted to be competitive in every game, compete for one of those wild card spots. It's a tight schedule, we're three wins out of being first place in our division, 3 points out of a wild card spot. I think we've been competitive. If we score more goals and continue to play well defensively, we'll be competitive.

- on where more goals will come from: When Jannik got hurt, he was one of our better forwards. Loui has more to give. Baertschi has more to give. Burrows looking better. But has to be a group effort (the infamous scoring by committee.)

- on Kane: Not gonna talk about players on other teams. Heh. Would like to add a forward with speed and skill. Whether that can be done remains to be seen.

- on whether he wants to shoot down Kane rumors: No comment.

- on Willie: Willie et al have worked real hard, losing Tanev + Hansen big losses, competing every night. Hopefully we keep winning games but we're gonna monitor things, see where they're at.

- on injuries: Dorsett out for tests. Miller has the flu, available to back up tomorrow. Tanev probably still a couple weeks away. Rodin doing rehab, rough timeline three weeks out minimum.

- on defensive depth and how to manage it: We have depth on defense now. Have a young good deep group back there. To add a forward we'd have to move someone here.

- on being scored on first 16 of 18 games: Hard to explain. Gotta figure that out. To get the lead and play with the lead would be big for us the way we're playing.

- on waiver wire and (lack of) claiming/waiver philosophy: Look at every player and ask if it's a player that will help the team now and going forward. Signed some depth players this year (Megna). The game Megna played he showed speed and skill. Chaput has been good. Had players in UTI they wanted to look at before looking at waiver wire to pick up players. (That's not how this works, Jim. Goddammit.)

- is team taking shape envisioned: When I talked to Trevor about taking the job, take 2-3 years to build a team but try to stay competitive. Drafted well, got real good young players in the system, but these players won't show up and play for 4-5 years. Status to try and stay competitive while young players show up.

- on full rebuild: We have existing player contracts that we inherited. Sedins still our best players. Older players still heart and soul of team and teaching young players. Not going to make apologies for where the team is at. Noticed on 3 on 3 last night, had Baertschi (22) out there with Horvat (21) and Stecher who's 22. Just be patient. We're gonna rebuild this thing and be a real good team in the future.

Sigh.

 

[jester00]

Benning on 1040 this morning.

- on Virtanen: we were on the road, he played a bunch of games where it looked like he was taking a step forward, the Toronto game didn't go well for him, he sat out, was asked to go down and play a couple of games in UTI and come back. Came back on Sunday, Tues a coach's decision not to play him. Met as group THEN to discuss best course of action and settled on AHL. Harder to develop players on the West Coast than the East Coast - not a lot of practice time.

(Uhhhh... okay. Kinda late to get on the same page, no?)

- on state of Canucks: we said we wanted to be competitive in every game, compete for one of those wild card spots. It's a tight schedule, we're three wins out of being first place in our division, 3 points out of a wild card spot. I think we've been competitive. If we score more goals and continue to play well defensively, we'll be competitive.

- on where more goals will come from: When Jannik got hurt, he was one of our better forwards. Loui has more to give. Baertschi has more to give. Burrows looking better. But has to be a group effort (the infamous scoring by committee.)

- on Kane: Not gonna talk about players on other teams. Heh. Would like to add a forward with speed and skill. Whether that can be done remains to be seen.

- on whether he wants to shoot down Kane rumors: No comment.

- on Willie: Willie et al have worked real hard, losing Tanev + Hansen big losses, competing every night. Hopefully we keep winning games but we're gonna monitor things, see where they're at.

- on injuries: Dorsett out for tests. Miller has the flu, available to back up tomorrow. Tanev probably still a couple weeks away. Rodin doing rehab, rough timeline three weeks out minimum.

- on defensive depth and how to manage it: We have depth on defense now. Have a young good deep group back there. To add a forward we'd have to move someone here.

- on being scored on first 16 of 18 games: Hard to explain. Gotta figure that out. To get the lead and play with the lead would be big for us the way we're playing.

- on waiver wire and (lack of) claiming/waiver philosophy: Look at every player and ask if it's a player that will help the team now and going forward. Signed some depth players this year (Megna). The game Megna played he showed speed and skill. Chaput has been good. Had players in UTI they wanted to look at before looking at waiver wire to pick up players. (That's not how this works, Jim. Goddammit.)

- is team taking shape envisioned: When I talked to Trevor about taking the job, take 2-3 years to build a team but try to stay competitive. Drafted well, got real good young players in the system, but these players won't show up and play for 4-5 years. Status to try and stay competitive while young players show up.

- on full rebuild: We have existing player contracts that we inherited. Sedins still our best players. Older players still heart and soul of team and teaching young players. Not going to make apologies for where the team is at. Noticed on 3 on 3 last night, had Baertschi (22) out there with Horvat (21) and Stecher who's 22. Just be patient. We're gonna rebuild this thing and be a real good team in the future.

Sigh.

Ugh. Lowlights indeed.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Said rebuild about 14 times during the interview.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Said rebuild about 14 times during the interview.

That raises the rather alarming prospect that he perceives what we're already doing as a "full rebuild".

 

[Nuckles]

I don't know how any rational person can listen to Benning and say "this guy isn't a bad GM."

 

[JuniorNelson]

Canucks are transparent when not BSing. They do not believe they have the same team the board perceives. Amazing! If you follow what they say, you know they are stubborn and childish. They are like a group of ten year old boys talking about girls. They know the terms but they don't know how to ****.

 

[Samzilla]

tony g telling it like it is. pertinent bringing up our goal differential, which is a very good indicator of team strength.

was just going to mention the being 3-4 points out of the playoffs comment...it's not like we've got 1 team to jump. we've got to make up 4 points on all of them.

absurd that benning thinks we can do this.

 

[Nuckles]

lol Benning

 

[Samzilla]

boy, i don't know how to contain my excitement that our management is building a team that can compete for a wild card spot...that's music to this fan's ears. finally! WE WANT THE WILD CARD! WE WANT THE WILD CARD!

 

[PM]

That raises the rather alarming prospect that he perceives what we're already doing as a "full rebuild".

They switch between "going for it" and "rebuilding" every couple interviews without actually doing anything different. If the team is doing mediocre to good then they are "going for it" if the team is doing bad we are "rebuilding". Rebuilding with 5 draft picks.. quite the concept.

One of those comments make me think he's trading a dman. My guess is one of the two Gillis guys, either Tanev or Hutton.

 

[GJB]

Benning on 1040 this morning.


- is team taking shape envisioned: When I talked to Trevor about taking the job, take 2-3 years to build a team but try to stay competitive. Drafted well, got real good young players in the system, but these players won't show up and play for 4-5 years. Status to try and stay competitive while young players show up.

Sigh.

Didn't hear the interview but this part stuck out to me.

It doesn't matter HOW well you draft if you can't:

A) Be patient enough to wait the 4-5 years he is referencing. He traded Jared McCann, Hunter Shinkaruk and Gustav Forsling. Those were "good young players in the system". But if he keeps trying to "speed up" the rebuild/retool the system will be empty. For a team as bad as the Canucks are, the system should be chock-full of good prospects but it certainly is not.

B) Develop players properly. And again have patience. The top pro prospect right now is Virtanen and the development decisions there have been a well-documented mess.

 

[Samzilla]

One day it's "no shortcuts". The next it's "accelerated development" with these guys.

 

[Breakers]

Aren't those a form of analytics

“We won a Stanley Cup in Boston and we didn’t use analytics.â€

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

- on waiver wire and (lack of) claiming/waiver philosophy: Look at every player and ask if it's a player that will help the team now and going forward. Signed some depth players this year (Megna). The game Megna played he showed speed and skill. Chaput has been good. Had players in UTI they wanted to look at before looking at waiver wire to pick up players. (That's not how this works, Jim. Goddammit.)

There's a lot of bad stuff in that interview, but this takes the cake. What an astoundingly narrow-minded view of the situation in Utica—not one skilled player was acquired with the intent of being one of “the guys” in Utica. No Cal O’Reilly situation, no Bobby Sanguinetti situation—just guys they’d rather call up when we’re crippled by injuries, thus crippling Utica, so we don’t have the plumb the waiver wire.

Given that Utica is where you’re supposed to bloody well develop your prospects, you need to supplant those guys with some solid AHL players. Not just guys you intend to call up at the first sign of injury which always happens, leaving the farm team and you're future prospects to flounder.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

so basically nothing new

 

[Breakers]

There's a lot of bad stuff in that interview, but this takes the cake. What an astoundingly narrow-minded view of the situation in Utica—not one skilled player was acquired with the intent of being one of “the guys†in Utica. No Cal O’Reilly situation, no Bobby Sanguinetti situation—just guys they’d rather call up when we’re crippled by injuries, thus crippling Utica, so we don’t have the plumb the waiver wire.

Given that Utica is where you’re supposed to bloody well develop your prospects, you need to supplant those guys with some solid AHL players. Not just guys you intend to call up at the first sign of injury which always happens, leaving the farm team and you're future prospects to flounder.

It's interesting NHL.com I think it was did an interview with Steve Yzerman on his philosophies or insights into what makes him a successful GM

He couldn't stop talking about the importance of having a good farm team, and not having it be bare with talent.

Talked about Tyler Johnson, Andrej Palat, Nikita kucherov all coming from a successful syracuse crunch.

 

[MS]

Benning on 1040 this morning.

- on Virtanen: we were on the road, he played a bunch of games where it looked like he was taking a step forward, the Toronto game didn't go well for him, he sat out, was asked to go down and play a couple of games in UTI and come back. Came back on Sunday, Tues a coach's decision not to play him. Met as group THEN to discuss best course of action and settled on AHL. Harder to develop players on the West Coast than the East Coast - not a lot of practice time.

(Uhhhh... okay. Kinda late to get on the same page, no?)

Basically confirms what a total mess this was and how little planning and communication there was.

Also that 'easier to develop in the East' comment is just total BS.

- on state of Canucks: we said we wanted to be competitive in every game, compete for one of those wild card spots. It's a tight schedule, we're three wins out of being first place in our division, 3 points out of a wild card spot. I think we've been competitive. If we score more goals and continue to play well defensively, we'll be competitive.

We haven't been competitive. We have the worst goal differential in the NHL and have led for a laughable amount of time. Have won 2 of 18 games in regulation.

Only a completely unsustainable OT record is keeping us remotely afloat. We've been *lucky*, if anything.

Also, it's hilarious to see this moron again be fooled by 'we're only 4 points out of a playoff spot!' after how hilariously it backfired on him last year.

- on where more goals will come from: When Jannik got hurt, he was one of our better forwards. Loui has more to give. Baertschi has more to give. Burrows looking better. But has to be a group effort (the infamous scoring by committee.)

Injuries happen. And even if Baertschi and Eriksson both had 5 goals right now, we're still bottom-10 in GF.

- on Kane: Not gonna talk about players on other teams. Heh. Would like to add a forward with speed and skill. Whether that can be done remains to be seen.

- on whether he wants to shoot down Kane rumors: No comment.

Jesus Christ.

Writing is on the wall here. Bad deal incoming for a bad player who is a complete cancer and awful human being. This team will be nearly impossible to cheer for if this player is acquired. Gross.

- on defensive depth and how to manage it: We have depth on defense now. Have a young good deep group back there. To add a forward we'd have to move someone here.

How do we have depth on defense?

Just because we have a lot of bodies doesn't mean we have actual good players to ice a good blueline. 4 of the 6 guys we dressed the past few games should be getting sheltered #6-type minutes.

Also selling low on Hutton is just incredibly frustrating.

- on being scored on first 16 of 18 games: Hard to explain. Gotta figure that out. To get the lead and play with the lead would be big for us the way we're playing.

This is very easy to explain. We suck. Bad teams fall behind.

- on waiver wire and (lack of) claiming/waiver philosophy: Look at every player and ask if it's a player that will help the team now and going forward. Signed some depth players this year (Megna). The game Megna played he showed speed and skill. Chaput has been good. Had players in UTI they wanted to look at before looking at waiver wire to pick up players. (That's not how this works, Jim. Goddammit.)

This is just inexcusable.

First off, Jimbo, you completely failed to stock Utica properly this summer, are at only 45 organizational contracts and the team down there is brutal.

Second, the guys you're talking about (Megna, Chaput) are clearly nothing more than 4th line fill-in types at the NHL level. They should have absolutely nothing to do with picking up a player with talent who can actually potentially provide offense.

3rd, as noted, the whole philosophy is completely backward. Ugh.

- is team taking shape envisioned: When I talked to Trevor about taking the job, take 2-3 years to build a team but try to stay competitive. Drafted well, got real good young players in the system, but these players won't show up and play for 4-5 years. Status to try and stay competitive while young players show up.

It's been 2-3 years. Is this the team that's been built?

And we actually have very few good young players in the system.

- on full rebuild: We have existing player contracts that we inherited. Sedins still our best players. Older players still heart and soul of team and teaching young players. Not going to make apologies for where the team is at. Noticed on 3 on 3 last night, had Baertschi (22) out there with Horvat (21) and Stecher who's 22. Just be patient. We're gonna rebuild this thing and be a real good team in the future.

Sigh.

... and blame Gillis.

The player contracts Benning has signed are a lot bigger problem than the ones coming from Gillis.

And having the Sedins is no reason not to rebuild. They either buy in or they don't.

What a complete joke and an utter imbecile.

 

[orcatown]

Lander on waivers - can't score but maybe better than what we have.

 

[PM]

Lander on waivers - can't score but maybe better than what we have.

Claim him, send down Megna or Chaput. There both teams are now slightly better for no cost in assets.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Lander on waivers - can't score but maybe better than what we have.

I'd absolutely claim him so we can send one of Chaput or Megna to Utica to help them out.

 

[MS]

Lander on waivers - can't score but maybe better than what we have.

Claim him, send down Megna or Chaput. There both teams are now slightly better for no cost in assets.

I'd absolutely claim him so we can send one of Chaput or Megna to Utica to help them out.

We need guys who have skill, not a guy with 2 goals in his last 77 games. He's just more of the same, and not an upgrade on either Gaunce or Chaput right now.

Chaput has actually been excellent since being recalled and deserves to stay unless/until we can get a better offensive player into the lineup.

Seth Griffith, on the other hand, was a player who should just have been an automatic claim.