Post-Game Talk: Canucks def. Blackhawks - 5-2 (Kuzmenko x2, Joshua, Dries, Horvat)

[me2]

This makes no sense.

Team was already spiralling out of control - why would we use our limited assets to buy?? So we can miss the playoffs and waste assets at the same time??

They didn't do anything to Bruce. They actually tried to contend this year but it obviously didn't work out. Management added two top six forwards and other depth players. Bruce didn't make any adjustments and couldn't motivate his team. His on-ice results were abysmal - should have been fired way earlier just based on results.

JR replaced the defensive assistant coaches that were part of Bruce's 32-15-10 run. It did not work out.

 

[Annihilator Gator]

People WANT to trade Kuzmenko. People saying that if we don't trade Kuzmenko, it'll be a huge failure.

An extension is by far the better move.

Canucks won't go into the deadline without an extension in place. They'll ship him out for sure at that point.

Only reason I was ever in this camp was because of this deep draft and the fact they want to clear cap without giving up much. If he can fetch a first it could be worth by the time we can contend. Could be years. He has good chemistry with Petey. Only worry is I don't know how much he's shown off of peteys line. Don't want to see him go really tho.
Edit: Id only want the trade if he asked too much or we could get a 1st in return.

 

[orcatown]

Likely a pyrrhic victory as the players like Carlsson, Benson and Fantelli head else where. So like the Canucks to do everything that screws their long term future. Chicago is doing it right - it's called accepting reality. Not much of that in Vancouver at the best of times.

Boudreau will quickly be forgotten and ancient history if Tocchet starts winning. However, Aquillini could have been behind the bench and won against this version of the Black Hawks. Don't think that even he couldn't have messed that up. But I guess with Fredo there was always the chance

Good

Kumenko - you wish you could just enjoy his play but then you remember he is headed for free agency. Really the player, along with Pettersson, that turned the game around

Joshua- different player in this one. Played as advertised in this game. Like how he went to the net and did something. Played mean and that seemed to sharpen his play.

Pettersson - not playing as well as earlier but made some vital plays

OEL - very solid game. Got more time and moved the puck efficiently. Reducing Hughes time and getting away from over carrying the puck too much gives the team a lot more structure ( the golden word right now). OEL plays like this, they get Myers head on straight and get Hughes to stop trying to do too much and they will be better in their end. Dermott also kept it simple and was better. But once again it was Chicago so we'll see.

Burroughs - much better than in his recent game. Got away from playing so much in traffic in this game.

Schenn - played a hard, intimating game. Puck movement was good.

Bad

Studnicka - quickly played himself off his line. Has so little actual skill. That trade increasingly looks like bad on Rutherford/Allvin. Dries is superior to Sudnicka.

Lazar - so little happening here except taking bad penalties. Poor as he was and is, I take Dickenson if you could get him at the same price. Lammikko was a lot better. Could see Aman moving up to take Lazar place. He is much better skater and player than Lazar.

Lockwood got dinged and he has had head injury problems previously - have to wonder about that long term. Don't really want Podkolzin called up but team might have little choice.

 

[arttk]

So when Demko got injured,why did management not try to get another goaltender or defensive help, instead they stayed the course with AHL goaltending and no help on defense,,it's almost like they did this deliberately to Bruce,,just to fire him.just my opinion..

Our record was already shit at that point and playoff was already lost. Why bother to use assets to resuscitate something that’s mostly dead.

 

[JohnHodgson]

If we were on our way up you have to sign him but for us who knows. If Petey is his best friend here you might have to sign him, but if there is a trade that makes sense you gotta trade him. Id rather Boeser and Miller be gone before him but Kuz isnt a regular ELC, hes 27 already

Kuzmenko is 27 but has FAR lower mileage.

Mileage matters just as much as age. Someone who started playing 82 game seasons in the NHL at age 19 has far more mileage than someone who plays in the KHL.

Ask Chicago how that bridge deal worked out for Panarin.

If they locked up Panarin to a long term extension at a reasonable cap number, they might have been still competing to this day.

Track record from high profile Russians have been pretty solid in recent years... Panarin, Kaprizov, Dadonov etc.

 

[MS]

JR replaced the defensive assistant coaches that were part of Bruce's 32-15-10 run. It did not work out.

This isn’t really accurate.

Walker resigned due to PCS symptoms and Shaw bolted to Philly to hook back up with his longtime running mate in Torts (with a promotion to associate coach).

Those two guys being replaced wasn’t a proactive decision, it was the result of circumstances. I’m sure they would have preferred to bring both back.

 

[arttk]

JR replaced the defensive assistant coaches that were part of Bruce's 32-15-10 run. It did not work out.

Well they both left for very different reasons. Cull moving to the big club seems like a money saving move and Yeo was a BB hire.

 

[JohnHodgson]

JR replaced the defensive assistant coaches that were part of Bruce's 32-15-10 run. It did not work out.

It sounds like Shaw wanted to leave to join Torts?

Canucks coaching staff turns over again

Shaw is heading to Philadelphia after a single season in Vancouver, while Mike Yeo and Trent Cull are joining Bruce Boudreau's staff.

theprovince.com

Let's do our research before we just start saying stuff... or not

 

[Vector]

Well they both left for very different reasons. Cull moving to the big club seems like a money saving move and Yeo was a BB hire.

It’s pretty apparent, now, that Yeo was not a Boudreau hire. They’d never even met before he was brought on.

 

[kanucks25]

It's fair to say that maybe the Canucks wouldn't have been able to retain those coaches but it also may be fair to say that they made bad replacement hires.

 

[TruGr1t]

Kuzmenko is 27 but has FAR lower mileage.

Mileage matters just as much as age. Someone who started playing 82 game seasons in the NHL at age 19 has far more mileage than someone who plays in the KHL.

Ask Chicago how that bridge deal worked out for Panarin.

If they locked up Panarin to a long term extension at a reasonable cap number, they might have been still competing to this day.

Track record from high profile Russians have been pretty solid in recent years... Panarin, Kaprizov, Dadonov etc.

I really don’t think a long term deal will be on the table for Kuzmenko. He’ll sign 2 years and bank on a materially higher cap next time he’s an FA and try to cash-in a retirement deal at max rate.

 

[arttk]

It’s pretty apparent, now, that Yeo was not a Boudreau hire. They’d never even met before he was brought on.

I mean King stayed on and nobody really knows why either.

 

[Vector]

This was the most expected wins of expected wins.

I love Kuzmenko. Love the way he plays and his unbridled enthusiasm. I understand why so many want him traded but, mostly for my own sanity, I want to keep him around for as long as possible.

 

[JohnHodgson]

Only reason I was ever in this camp was because of this deep draft and the fact they want to clear cap without giving up much. If he can fetch a first it could be worth by the time we can contend. Could be years. He has good chemistry with Petey. Only worry is I don't know how much he's shown off of peteys line. Don't want to see him go really tho.
Edit: Id only want the trade if he asked too much or we could get a 1st in return.

I still don't see how trading Kuzmenko for a late first round pick is the optimal outcome. Why are you (and other ppl) worried about Kuzmenko off of Petey's line? The whole point of signing him to an extension is to glue him to Petey's wing because their chemistry is off the charts. Best chemistry between two players I have seen probably since the Sedins left.

People want to trade all our assets for picks but then expect that players like Hughes and Petey will want to stay through the rebuild?

The single most important asset in this entire organization is Elias Pettersson. Nobody else matters to be honest (maybe Hughes to a smaller extent).

Signing Kuzmenko to a reasonable extension does a couple things:

1) Gives Petey a consistent linemate for the next 5/6 years (ideal extension length)
2) Signals to Petey and rest of the team/org that this team is serious about turning it around in 2 years
3) Provides opportunity for this org to cash in on surplus value. A 6 year deal at 6.75/6.5 gives Kuzmenko a chance to provide a lot of surplus value over the seasons. He's only playing 16 minutes a night... imagine if he gets an extra 2/3 minutes a game. He could be putting up 80+ point years.

 

[me2]

It sounds like Shaw wanted to leave to join Torts?

Canucks coaching staff turns over again

Shaw is heading to Philadelphia after a single season in Vancouver, while Mike Yeo and Trent Cull are joining Bruce Boudreau's staff.

theprovince.com

Let's do our research before we just start saying stuff... or not

Who brought in their replacements? JR

 

[JohnHodgson]

This was the most expected wins of expected wins.

I love Kuzmenko. Love the way he plays and his unbridled enthusiasm. I understand why so many want him traded but, mostly for my own sanity, I want to keep him around for as long as possible.

It's truly the right thing to do. He's really been our third best forward after Bo and Petey.

He's in his FIRST year in North America and has ONLY been playing 16 minutes a game. His ceiling as an extremely skilled, and high IQ winger to put up 80+ points every year is very real.

We needed to lock him up a month ago. I rather us keep this guy instead of trading the next potential Panarin for a late first round pick or a second and a no name prospect.

Who brought in their replacements? JR

Yeo was Bruce's guy.

Please actually do some research.

It took me 30 seconds to do some research.

 

[Vector]

I mean King stayed on and nobody really knows why either.

King, to me, is pretty easy to see why he's still here. Long time Canuck guy that has a good relationship with the Sedins. While the power play has been frustrating, at times, it's not really the biggest problem on the team and he's had past success with it. Then, there's Friedman reporting that they've talked to other assistants and development coaches but they are unable to join the team until the offseason. So, you aren't going to fire the guy who's at least shown competency only to replace him with a temporary outside the organization person only to then let that person go and bring in your own during the offseason.

 

[Annihilator Gator]

I still don't see how trading Kuzmenko for a late first round pick is the optimal outcome. Why are you (and other ppl) worried about Kuzmenko off of Petey's line? The whole point of signing him to an extension is to glue him to Petey's wing because their chemistry is off the charts. Best chemistry between two players I have seen probably since the Sedins left.

People want to trade all our assets for picks but then expect that players like Hughes and Petey will want to stay through the rebuild?

The single most important asset in this entire organization is Elias Pettersson. Nobody else matters to be honest (maybe Hughes to a smaller extent).

Signing Kuzmenko to a reasonable extension does a couple things:

1) Gives Petey a consistent linemate for the next 5/6 years (ideal extension length)
2) Signals to Petey and rest of the team/org that this team is serious about turning it around in 2 years
3) Provides opportunity for this org to cash in on surplus value. A 6 year deal at 6.75/6.5 gives Kuzmenko a chance to provide a lot of surplus value over the seasons. He's only playing 16 minutes a night... imagine if he gets an extra 2/3 minutes a game. He could be putting up 80+ point years.

I can't say I disagree with any of that but again it's his first year. He could get way better he could not. In his best interests why sign 6 years into his early 30s when he could sign a 2-3 year deal once the cap goes up. I get your opinion and I have mine. Realistically we have to see both.

Edit: sorry left out if he takes a short deal and does way better could ask for a lot more

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Kuzmenko is 27 but has FAR lower mileage.

Mileage matters just as much as age. Someone who started playing 82 game seasons in the NHL at age 19 has far more mileage than someone who plays in the KHL.

Ask Chicago how that bridge deal worked out for Panarin.

If they locked up Panarin to a long term extension at a reasonable cap number, they might have been still competing to this day.

Track record from high profile Russians have been pretty solid in recent years... Panarin, Kaprizov, Dadonov etc.

Panarin was 24 (which is where Pettersson is), Kuzmenko is 27 in 2 weeks.

 

[Vector]

Yeo was Bruce's guy.

Please actually do some research.

It took me 30 seconds to do some research.

He really wasn't. Boudreau said, after Saturday's game, that he had never met Yeo before. Yeo goes way back with Allvin in the Penguins organization as an AHL and NHL assistant coach. From what it sounds like, Yeo was brought in by Allvin and Boudreau signed off on him but he wasn't someone that Boudreau was asking for.

 

[JohnHodgson]

It’s pretty apparent, now, that Yeo was not a Boudreau hire. They’d never even met before he was brought on.

What?

Canucks coaching staff turns over again

Shaw is heading to Philadelphia after a single season in Vancouver, while Mike Yeo and Trent Cull are joining Bruce Boudreau's staff.

theprovince.com

Report: Mike Yeo “front and centre” to join Canucks as assistant coach

The Vancouver Canucks may be on the verge of filling the vacancy left...

canucksarmy.com

It literally says Mike Yeo was at the top of Bruce's list.

In Shaw’s place the Canucks have hired Mike Yeo, who was interim head coach in Philadelphia in the second half of the 2021-22 season after having serving as Alain Vigneault’s assistant for several seasons. He has previous head coaching experience: he was head coach in St. Louis for just shy of two full seasons beginning midway in the 2017-18 season. He was fired a third of the way into the 2018-19 season, replaced by Craig Berube, who led the Blues to the Stanley Cup that same season.



Yeo was head coach of the Minnesota Wild from 2011-12 to midway through the 2015-16 season, he was eventually replaced by current Canucks head coach Bruce Boudreau, who was hired the following summer.



Boudreau said that Yeo stayed in the Twin Cities after he was fired by the Wild and so the two coaches would run into each other at community events. From there, a friendship developed.


Yeo was at the top of Boudreau’s list of assistant coach candidates this off-season.



“I believe he’s a really good coach, I talked to a lot of people about him who I don’t know and they all said good things. They said you can’t find a better person. He’s a good communicator. And ever since the first moment I’ve talked with him I’ve seen the enthusiasm,” Boudreau said. ”



“I think he was dealt with a pretty tough hand taking over that team (in Philadelphia) this year. But he did it with such class and worked every day and I thought he did a good job.”

He really wasn't. Boudreau said, after Saturday's game, that he had never met Yeo before. Yeo goes way back with Allvin in the Penguins organization as an AHL and NHL assistant coach. From what it sounds like, Yeo was brought in by Allvin and Boudreau signed off on him but he wasn't someone that Boudreau was asking for.

It really doesn't matter at the end of the day.

If you're a HEAD coach, you can't blame your results on losing ASSISTANT coaches.

Brad Shaw literally helped implement the systems last year. If Bruce is not good with X and O's that's on him.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

JT was a beast.

Good thing Tocchet was brought in to be is mommy.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

I still don't see how trading Kuzmenko for a late first round pick is the optimal outcome. Why are you (and other ppl) worried about Kuzmenko off of Petey's line? The whole point of signing him to an extension is to glue him to Petey's wing because their chemistry is off the charts. Best chemistry between two players I have seen probably since the Sedins left.

People want to trade all our assets for picks but then expect that players like Hughes and Petey will want to stay through the rebuild?

The single most important asset in this entire organization is Elias Pettersson. Nobody else matters to be honest (maybe Hughes to a smaller extent).

Signing Kuzmenko to a reasonable extension does a couple things:

1) Gives Petey a consistent linemate for the next 5/6 years (ideal extension length)
2) Signals to Petey and rest of the team/org that this team is serious about turning it around in 2 years
3) Provides opportunity for this org to cash in on surplus value. A 6 year deal at 6.75/6.5 gives Kuzmenko a chance to provide a lot of surplus value over the seasons. He's only playing 16 minutes a night... imagine if he gets an extra 2/3 minutes a game. He could be putting up 80+ point years.

... I mean no. I wanted them to trade other players earlier, like last season and in the offseason. Instead they re-signed all those players on stupid contracts they now cannot move without giving up assets. The guys they can move at top value who have expiring contracts: Horvat, Schenn and Kuzmenko.

The Canucks literally do this every single year where a guy is having a good year they then "lock him up" at the highest price possible.

Just picture what you are saying... they re-sign Kuzmenko say 3 years at $7 mil per. That cap space will be all of dropping Horvat + another $1 mil or so.

So now you have literally the same team that is bottom 7 in the NHL sans Horvat with less cap space. This is where I bang my head into a wall because people don't seem to get this.

There is no possible way to "turn it around" in 2 years. That is not possible. If you think the Canucks are going to magically acquire 3 top 4 d-men at value in the next 24 months I have some magic beans to sell you.

 

[Annihilator Gator]

Really sucks Brad Shaw walked. Seems like the d core has really suffered. Hopefully Gonchar and Foote can make up for that, next year

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Really sucks Brad Shaw walked. Seems like the d core has really suffered. Hopefully Gonchar and Foote can make up for that, next year

? No? What can they possibly do with this top 6 and no prospects?