Canes Offer Sheet KK (6.1 for 1 yr) Part II

[Wats]

I have no idea how anyone can be mad at Kotkaniemi. Guy is basically guaranteed 11-12 mil next 2 years. There was no chance he was going to make anything close on whatever Montreal was going to offer as bridge contract.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

No but we will lose him for nothing. Kotkaniemi can't be a rental for 6m right now. It's not worth it.

You can work out a deal. It happens.

However, there are centres out there available, or whispers that they might be. He can be replaced, at a cheaper cap hit and currently a better player. KK could improve, but as of right now we could get a better option

 

[Redux91]

I just find it harder and harder to imagine a world where Bergevin will match this.... every minute that goes by it just feels more apparent and more logistic sense to not match the offer..

in my heart i want us to, but this really is the most outrageous contract offer ive ever seen.. we cant f***ing work with such a terribly structured contract, they really f***ed us on this one lol

Cant believe losing KK like THIS, in a trade i get it, but like THIS will sting for quite a while cant lie...

NOW our center depth has reach critical point, something has to be done, rapidly.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I have no idea how anyone can be mad at Kotkaniemi. Guy is basically guaranteed 11-12 mil next 2 years. There was no chance he was going to make anything close on whatever Montreal was going to offer as bridge contract.

I don't get why anyone is mad at him for taking more.

However, if he's still as mediocre, he's likely not getting a QO.

 

[Montreal Impact FC]

The only promising future we had at C was Suzuki. Kotkaniemi has never been anything more than potential in a jar that might never translate.

This is a pretty amateur way of handling things by Bergevin and he indeed has a lot of explaining to do. But 6.1M for Kotkaniemi is beyond ridiculous. It's absolutely horrible. You take the picks, add a couple of assets and replace him. It's not that hard to do. People are really overrating his contribution to the team.

There's not even a spot for him at C in CAR...

You think that very low pick which could end up being enough to get something even near to Kotkaniemi potential. Nah.

Basically it's like Carolina would be given a high 2nd pick + high 4 round pick.

The reality is MB screwed up. That's it.

 

[ROEN]

it's an opinion from Lalonde, not some insider news. guy is a sport financial analyst not a journalist

this is correct

 

[Montreal Impact FC]

Not the biggest Bergevin fan but it’s hard to shit on him for not signing KK beforehand if we have no idea what kind of offers he’s making. For all we know, KK sees himself as a $5m per year player and was rejecting everything sent his way.

Bergevin made an hostile offer to screwed Carolina and he expected everybody including Carolina to play fair. Come on.

That totally on MB. If you play with fire is because you know the chances of getting burned.

 

[Wats]

I don't get why anyone is mad at him for taking more.

However, if he's still as mediocre, he's likely not getting a QO.

That's the thing too... if he's mediocre, it's also more reason to bank on this 6.1M since his next contract won't be high. He's basically set himself up for life at 22 without his play ever showing he's deserving of it yet.

Kid won the lottery.

 

[ROEN]

I just find it harder and harder to imagine a world where Bergevin will match this.... every minute that goes by it just feels more apparent and more logistic sense to not match the offer..

in my heart i want us to, but this really is the most outrageous contract offer ive ever seen.. we cant f***ing work with such a terribly structured contract, they really f***ed us on this one lol

Cant believe losing KK like THIS, in a trade i get it, but like THIS will sting for quite a while cant lie...

NOW our center depth has reach critical point, something has to be done, rapidly.

not that worried about the core, as much as I admired KK’s spurts of productivity, the Habs weren’t depending on him to drive offense reliably. He is very very young though but I think he’s had just about enough of being a Hab.

 

[themilosh]

It's a pretty simple solution. KK needs to be signed by Habs - at 6.1M and MB gonna have to eat crow. You simply cannot let a big/solid young 2C go for peanuts on the dollar. He's going to break out this year (especially with Danault gone) with guaranteed top 6 minutes. MB is just a simpleton who got played, and if he fails to match the QO, then he's a simpleton with an Ego (bad combo).
$6M is really not that much, even more so for a Habs team with no C depth. KK is the difference between barely making the playoffs and having a brutal bottom dweller year.
Just remember, KK is worth $3M currently - so all this arguing is over $3M which is roughly equal to 1 or 2 bargain bin journeymen who end up taking roster spots and time from developing players.
IMO this is the greatest gift Carolina has given us: it handcuffs MB from journeymen bargainbinners, and checks his ego at the door bc he cost his boss $3M for being an idiot.

 

[The Great Weal]

KK is the difference between barely making the playoffs and having a brutal bottom dweller year.

Lol

 

[sampollock]

MB made a bad decision on drafting him in the first place
this is the best scenario to get two picks back and let the inconsistent kid walk he's not worth $6 million dollars for his production is skating his face off
he's a third line center at best so pay him that enjoy it canes and don't let the door hit you on the way out KK

 

[SOLR]

I have no idea how anyone can be mad at Kotkaniemi. Guy is basically guaranteed 11-12 mil next 2 years. There was no chance he was going to make anything close on whatever Montreal was going to offer as bridge contract.

Nobody is mad. When you jump over your boss's roadmap, don't expect to make too many boss friends. Playing for a good team requires some personal sacrifices. Soon to our screens, KK in Pheonix or Buffalo.

 

[SOLR]

MB made a bad decision on drafting him in the first place
this is the best scenario to get two picks back and let the inconsistent kid walk he's not worth $6 million dollars for his production is skating his face off
he's a third line center at best so pay him that enjoy it canes and don't let the door hit you on the way out KK

Pretty revisionist, many would have kept him in Europe for a few years (and then we would not have this problem).

 

[Habidelidoo]

It's a pretty simple solution. KK needs to be signed by Habs - at 6.1M and MB gonna have to eat crow. You simply cannot let a big/solid young 2C go for peanuts on the dollar. He's going to break out this year (especially with Danault gone) with guaranteed top 6 minutes. MB is just a simpleton who got played, and if he fails to match the QO, then he's a simpleton with an Ego (bad combo).
$6M is really not that much, even more so for a Habs team with no C depth. KK is the difference between barely making the playoffs and having a brutal bottom dweller year.
Just remember, KK is worth $3M currently - so all this arguing is over $3M which is roughly equal to 1 or 2 bargain bin journeymen who end up taking roster spots and time from developing players.
IMO this is the greatest gift Carolina has given us: it handcuffs MB from journeymen bargainbinners, and checks his ego at the door bc he cost his boss $3M for being an idiot.

You think KK would breakout in a toxic environment ? I think the bridges are burned between KK, front office and fans (p.s. I don't agree with the fans being on his back, but Montreal being Montreal...).

 

[Deebs]

Nobody is mad. When you jump over your boss's roadmap, don't expect to make too many boss friends. Playing for a good team requires some personal sacrifices. Soon to our screens, KK in Pheonix or Buffalo.

Match, sign him to an 8 year extension then trade him to Buffalo right after...

Enjoy Purgatory lol

 

[Zorba]

It's a pretty simple solution. KK needs to be signed by Habs - at 6.1M and MB gonna have to eat crow. You simply cannot let a big/solid young 2C go for peanuts on the dollar. He's going to break out this year (especially with Danault gone) with guaranteed top 6 minutes. MB is just a simpleton who got played, and if he fails to match the QO, then he's a simpleton with an Ego (bad combo).
$6M is really not that much, even more so for a Habs team with no C depth. KK is the difference between barely making the playoffs and having a brutal bottom dweller year.
Just remember, KK is worth $3M currently - so all this arguing is over $3M which is roughly equal to 1 or 2 bargain bin journeymen who end up taking roster spots and time from developing players.
IMO this is the greatest gift Carolina has given us: it handcuffs MB from journeymen bargainbinners, and checks his ego at the door bc he cost his boss $3M for being an idiot.

Kotkaniemi is not worth 3 million. Anyway you put it he’s not worth 3 million

 

[WinterLion]

It's a pretty simple solution. KK needs to be signed by Habs - at 6.1M and MB gonna have to eat crow. You simply cannot let a big/solid young 2C go for peanuts on the dollar. He's going to break out this year (especially with Danault gone) with guaranteed top 6 minutes. MB is just a simpleton who got played, and if he fails to match the QO, then he's a simpleton with an Ego (bad combo).
$6M is really not that much, even more so for a Habs team with no C depth. KK is the difference between barely making the playoffs and having a brutal bottom dweller year.
Just remember, KK is worth $3M currently - so all this arguing is over $3M which is roughly equal to 1 or 2 bargain bin journeymen who end up taking roster spots and time from developing players.
IMO this is the greatest gift Carolina has given us: it handcuffs MB from journeymen bargainbinners, and checks his ego at the door bc he cost his boss $3M for being an idiot.

Yes I agree that the best part of this is that it forces the issue with Kotkienemi. He will be playing top minutes this year or he will be gone... no tip-toeing around this anymore!

 

[Wats]

If the 2022 draft is as good as some say, I'd take the picks. Carolina might not be as good without Hamilton.

 

[Tyson]

MB made a bad decision on drafting him in the first place
this is the best scenario to get two picks back and let the inconsistent kid walk he's not worth $6 million dollars for his production is skating his face off
he's a third line center at best so pay him that enjoy it canes and don't let the door hit you on the way out KK

Drafting for need rarely works

 

[themilosh]

You think KK would breakout in a toxic environment ? I think the bridges are burned between KK, front office and fans (p.s. I don't agree with the fans being on his back, but Montreal being Montreal...).

why is it Aho could sign a QO from MTL, and end up staying in CAR with no issues?

 

[sampollock]

Pretty revisionist, many would have kept him in Europe for a few years (and then we would have this problem).

That's that's the canes problem now

 

[Habidelidoo]

why is it Aho could sign a QO from MTL, and end up staying in CAR with no issues?

Because Montreal is a circus, while Raleigh is not ? And because Aho was not already struggling when signing it.

 

[themilosh]

Kotkaniemi is not worth 3 million. Anyway you put it he’s not worth 3 million

wth man? he's a 2C (3C at worse). Big, strong, bit of a mean streak - good skater, good hands, good attitude. Balance is weak (which can be improved with weight training). He's certain;ly not worth $6M but that's been established - MB cost us that. We've gone years with a $9M LW called Cap Space. You tell me, what 2C we can get to fill the role? none.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Still wondering how Dvorak is a solution if we want to improve....

He can score goals. He's flirted with the 20-goal mark the last two seasons that were either cut short (2019-20) or hasn't been a complete season (2020-21). He's got a wicked shot.

The last two season, he was on pace for 45 points on one of the worst teams. You'd think that playing with goal scorers like Hoffman, Toffoli, and Caufield would help bump him to over 50-points.

He's great on the dot (over 50% his entire career except his rookie season).

25 years old with 4 years left at $4.45M.


He isn't the elite centerman you'd like to see. And there have been higher end centers in the rumor mill like Eichel, Kuznetsov, and Monahan. But Dvorak will cost less and you will still get a Top-6 center.