Canes Offer Sheet KK (6.1 for 1 yr) Part II

[BargainBinSpecial]

So if the Habs match...what's the difference?

If they match, you tell him go out there and play. If he doesn't step up, you expose him for the brat he is. The Habs won't qualify him at 6 mil next year and he will go elsewhere for less. Another bust....Yet, Timmins still has a job. Although not really a bust, just another first rounder lost for nothing.

If he has a breakout year, you qualify him and start negotiations for a long term deal.

I don't believe the Habs want him back because the whole deal screams troll. The Habs got trolled and BargainBin's ego is quite big.

That's why you take the picks and figure something out.

 

[abo9]

Well, Danault took 500k more to play in the sun. MB could have given a little more to keep him. I agree that Suzuki and Gallagher didn't step it up their first years but they progressed in their development unlike KK. By accepting a 2 yr or 3 yr bridge deal, KK would have had less pressure to perform while having more years of job security and likely making more money long term. It's a huge gamble for every party involved. If KK doesn't live up to potential in Carolina, they won't qualify him at 6 mil next year. Also as an UFA, no team will risk signing him to a large amount. He better perform or else he just killed his NHL career.

but that bridge deal was probably worth around 7-8M max anyway over those 3 years. KK is the biggest winner here, no reason not to accept the contract.

If he flunks, well he can go on and take 900K contracts for a year or two before going back to Europe. And he's made the same as that bridge deal.

If he averages, he makes 3-4M per year on his next contract and males more money.

In the two scenarios above, he's also limely a UFA by 22 and maybe a bad team takes a risk on him.

If he loves up to 6M, the he gets a big contract 2 years early.

I really don't see how KK loses in any scenario

 

[Karma Police]

I think we should move on from Kotkaniemi.

Take the picks and offer sheet Elias Petersson for 8.5 for 5 years.

We will lose 2 first rounds picks, 1 second and a third but with the picks gained by losing KK, the trade is:

Kotkaniemi, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick

for Pettersson

8.5 for 5 for Pettersson and Vancouver just match this laughing.

 

[deca guard]

could montreal offer sheet necas ?

 

[Deebs]

8.5 for 5 for Pettersson and Vancouver just match this laughing.

Yep.... Minimum would be $10M imo

 

[Agalloch]

8.5 for 5 for Pettersson and Vancouver just match this laughing.

How do they sign Quinn Hughes with 2 m left in cap space ?

 

[CaptainKirk]

I think we should move on from Kotkaniemi.

Take the picks and offer sheet Elias Petersson for 8.5 for 5 years.

We will lose 2 first rounds picks, 1 second and a third but with the picks gained by losing KK, the trade is:

Kotkaniemi, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick

for Pettersson

It sounds nice but what if Van matches, trades away whatever it takes to keep them under the cap, then we end up with TWO teams looking to offer sheet Suzuki and Cole in the future.

 

[Film Noir]

Who's the Avs D that crushed KK a couple years ago? Is he available for a 3rd round pick?

 

[Doc McKenna]

Yeah and try using paragraphs. Your post is impoossble to read

Works fine on a PC, try reading on something other than a flip-phone.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

but that bridge deal was probably worth around 7-8M max anyway over those 3 years. KK is the biggest winner here, no reason not to accept the contract.

If he flunks, well he can go on and take 900K contracts for a year or two before going back to Europe. And he's made the same as that bridge deal.

If he averages, he makes 3-4M per year on his next contract and males more money.

In the two scenarios above, he's also limely a UFA by 22 and maybe a bad team takes a risk on him.

If he loves up to 6M, the he gets a big contract 2 years early.

I really don't see how KK loses in any scenario

A bridge deal at around 3-4 mil/yr over 3 years would have been ideal for both parties. More money in KK's pocket, cap flexibility for the Habs and more years of job security for KK.

 

[Deebs]

A bridge deal at around 3-4 mil/yr over 3 years would have been ideal for both parties. More money in KK's pocket, cap flexibility for the Habs and more years of job security for KK.

Maybe it was offered and he turned it down

 

[Milhouse40]

Even if it is a late 1st. It is still a 1st round pick. Anyone who tries to downplay it is doing it in bad faith.

It's still a first round pick which means nothing for this team for the next 3 years and considering the track record for this team, it probably never amount to anything either.

1st round pick like that were thrown to get guys like Nick Foligno, David Savard at the last TDL.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Who's the Avs D that crushed KK a couple years ago? Is he available for a 3rd round pick?

To do what?

In what world is KK in the wrong outside of this false reality some fans live in where every player should bend the f*** over for the team they cheer for, as if they are playing EA sports.

No person would refuse 3x their salary for some faux sense of allegiance to an organization.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Maybe it was offered and he turned it down

My exact thoughts as to why I wouldn't keep KK around. You take the picks and run.

 

[Sterling Archer]

KK closer to Chucky than Aho. Let him walk and go HAM after an established top 6. We get better and Canes can laugh with their new $6M winger this year and next. Best part is Canes will have to qualify at $6.1M or sign long term contract and live with him or let him go UFA Lol.

 

[Deebs]

My exact thoughts as to why I wouldn't keep KK around. You take the picks and run.

I'm good with the picks as well. It kills our Center depth unless another move is made but KK isn't worth $6M in any league

 

[Hannibal]

To do what?

In what world is KK in the wrong outside of this false reality some fans live in where every player should bend the f*** over for the team they cheer for, as if they are playing EA sports.

No person would refuse 3x their salary for some faux sense of allegiance to an organization.

Funny to see you keep defending him.

The kid can do no wrong lol

 

[ManixLiquid]

Can Drouin play center?

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

KK is absolutely worth at least a top-15 first choice, probably more like a top-10.

Perhaps, but no teams would give that right now, that's what i meant.

 

[HTTP 400]

Yon don't pay a player like KK 6M. That's absurd. It might be his worth if he ever reaches his potential, which is far from a sure thing.

I'll gladly take the picks and let the Canes understand why KK isn't worth a 1st, and 6M per.

We'll be the ones laughing in the end.

 

[Adam Michaels]

It's still a first round pick which means nothing for this team for the next 3 years and considering the track record for this team, it probably never amount to anything either.

1st round pick like that were thrown to get guys like Nick Foligno, David Savard at the last TDL.

Still a 1st round pick.

When Columbus got a 1st for Savard, nobody said it's a late 1st. Everyone was impressed that Columbus got another 1st.

 

[417]

If they match, you tell him go out there and play. If he doesn't step up, you expose him for the brat he is. The Habs won't qualify him at 6 mil next year and he will go elsewhere for less. Another bust....Yet, Timmins still has a job. Although not really a bust, just another first rounder lost for nothing.

If he has a breakout year, you qualify him and start negotiations for a long term deal.

I don't believe the Habs want him back because the whole deal screams troll. The Habs got trolled and BargainBin's ego is quite big.

That's why you take the picks and figure something out.

They'll match and this will force them to committ to Kotkaniemi in an important role for the next year.

I personally think that's a good thing because I think it's kinda crazy that we drafted a kid almost 4 years ago, graduated him to the NHL before he was ready, and we still to this day haven't given him a real shot as a top 6 player yet (not blaming the coaching staff people, relax).

This forces the Habs hand to do just that but it also puts a ton of pressure and expectations on Kotkaniemi (who already had some big expectations heading into this year anyway) to show up at camp ready to play and keep his spot.

If he doesn't do the latter, that QO is meaningless.

 

[Deebs]

Can Drouin play center?

He might just have to go back there this year lol

 

[Deebs]

Yon don't pay a player like KK 6M. That's absurd. It might be his worth if he ever reaches his potential, which is far from a sure thing.

I'll gladly take the picks and let the Canes understand why KK isn't worth a 1st, and 6M per.

We'll be the ones laughing in the end.

The Canes just screwed a lot of teams over. $6M for KK is ridiculous

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

You act like there some reason to believe he will improve significantly and be a 6mil $ player

Scheifele was just cracking the NHL at 20 and didn't break out until he was 23. Still lots of time for KK. Why was he rushed to NHL to begin with?