Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[njdevil26]

I haven’t been following too closely, but who’s left to have not made a statement denying involving at this point? It has to be pretty close to narrowing down who it “might” nee, yes?

Most of the guys have made statements. The statements from guys saying they weren't in the area and weren't at the event are the ones I believe because they would be easily debunked.

Some statements are blanket lawyer speak and don't absolve and don't prove guilt either way.

I'm starting to get extremely annoyed that Michael McLeod hasn't said anything. Like I had said previously, if someone had nothing to do with this I think they would be screaming it from the rooftops. If he was involved in this somehow, I don't want to see him in a Devils sweater or NHL rink ever again.

 

[PB37]

What happened to her sucks but she is not 100% innocent in this either. She met a guy at a party decided to go home with him and sleep with him. To what point she was comfortable at the time with what came next nobody knows. She regretted what happened after but that doesn't mean she wasn't a willing partner. If she gave the impression she was ok with it then the people involved shouldn't be on trial. At no point has it ever been stated that she was against any of it or that they forced her. This seems like more of an optics thing that angered the mother as it should to any parent.

Everyone deserves justice but you can't make a poor decision and then go back in time and insert your fellings after the fact.

- She can't give consent to group sex because her judgement was impaired

- They had her film a consent after video = strong implication of coercion and attempt at cover up

- They texted her to tell her to not go to the police and make it go away = more implications of coercion and cover up

- Hockey Canada paid her settlement money to keep this under wraps


You might want to delete your post dude, it's not a good look.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Most of the guys have made statements. The statements from guys saying they weren't in the area and weren't at the event are the ones I believe because they would be easily debunked.

Some statements are blanket lawyer speak and don't absolve and don't prove guilt either way.

I'm starting to get extremely annoyed that Michael McLeod hasn't said anything. Like I had said previously, if someone had nothing to do with this I think they would be screaming it from the rooftops. If he was involved in this somehow, I don't want to see him in a Devils sweater or NHL rink ever again.

Yeah I just read Boris statement and to me that was more of an admission of guilt than anythinv

 

[Uncle Rotter]

- Hockey Canada paid her settlement money to keep this under wraps

What was the alternative to paying her? Fighting her in court?

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Hockey Canada being so quick to pay out a settlement probably makes this a bit different. Also those described videos don’t help.

The alternative was contesting the lawsuit. Should they have done that?

 

[Gainesvillain]

The victim's mom literally went to the police in this very case.

The level of stupidity in posts defending rape-enabling culture is absolutely inconceivable.

And I am not one bit surprised.

Yes, police were involved immediately and did an investigation that lasted for several months.

Nobody was charged with any criminal offense, whether rape or sexual assault.

Telling, isn't it?

 

[SensontheRush]

It was a golf tournament huh...

 

[SoupNazi]

What happened to her sucks but she is not 100% innocent in this either. She met a guy at a party decided to go home with him and sleep with him. To what point she was comfortable at the time with what came next nobody knows. She regretted what happened after but that doesn't mean she wasn't a willing partner. If she gave the impression she was ok with it then the people involved shouldn't be on trial. At no point has it ever been stated that she was against any of it or that they forced her. This seems like more of an optics thing that angered the mother as it should to any parent.

Everyone deserves justice but you can't make a poor decision and then go back in time and insert your fellings after the fact.

Would you say this if it was your daughter?

 

[The Marquis]

It was a golf tournament huh...

Golf culture, man! They've really got to do something about that.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Yes, police were involved immediately and did an investigation that lasted for several months.

Nobody was charged with any criminal offense, whether rape or sexual assault.

Telling, isn't it?

The police didn't have enough evidence at the time but it doesn't mean there aren't more evidence being presented now.

It's not telling of anything.

 

[Mikah]

What was the alternative to paying her? Fighting her in court?

I'm not a lawyer on that sort of things, but she apparently was paid $4M...

What kind of contract comes with such a settlement? Would she have to pay it back if she woud now divulge the names?

What if everyone on the team end up claiming their innocence, and she can't talk because of what she signed for?

 

[hockey20000]

i havn't looked into all the details tbh. 1st of all does it say how drunk she was and did she try to say no at all that night ? .all i seen so far was her texting regret and saying she felt like she had been taken advantage by the guys after her mom had went to police

 

[AlysonChainz]

What happened to her sucks but she is not 100% innocent in this either. She met a guy at a party decided to go home with him and sleep with him. To what point she was comfortable at the time with what came next nobody knows. She regretted what happened after but that doesn't mean she wasn't a willing partner. If she gave the impression she was ok with it then the people involved shouldn't be on trial. At no point has it ever been stated that she was against any of it or that they forced her. This seems like more of an optics thing that angered the mother as it should to any parent.

Everyone deserves justice but you can't make a poor decision and then go back in time and insert your fellings after the fact.

No.....It is 100% a crime and you are 100% on the wrong side of history here. These stupid f@#*s don't need you to defend their criminal behavior. Don't be gross!

 

[Gil Gunderson]

i havn't looked into all the details tbh. 1st of all does it say how drunk she was and did she try to say no at all that night ? .all i seen so far was her texting regret and saying she felt like she had been taken advantage by the guys after her mom had went to police

Drunk enough for the players to be paranoid and pretty much force her to say she was sober. I think that should paint a somewhat clear picture.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

If she gave the impression she was ok with it then the people involved shouldn't be on trial

A lack of non-consent is not consent. Neither is "the impression".

She met a guy at a party decided to go home with him and sleep with him. To what point she was comfortable at the time with what came next nobody knows

Just because she gave to consent to have sex with one guy one time does not mean she gave consent to then get gangbanged by that guy and his buddies (nor for any further sexual activity with that guy, for that matter).

 

[Uncle Rotter]

I'm not a lawyer on that sort of things, but she apparently was paid $4M...

The only number made public is the $3.55M in the original lawsuit.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Besides, denying involvement doesn't mean you actually weren't involved.

In this case, it does, yes.

At least seven of the creeps in this very case are not denying their involvement. They're pretending she consented to a group of strangers sneaking uninvited in her room, filming her and having sex with her. This has been confirmed by their legal representatives in interviews with the Globe and Mail. We also know those same players have already provided evidence to the police.

it's too late for those seven to lie and deny their involvement.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

If there had been full consent from her, all along, Hockey Canada wouldn't have used taxpayer money to pay for her silence years ago.

They didn't give her any money until this year. Unless you have some inside information.

 

[Gsus]

The text messages show pretty much all we need to know. But I'd like to know the names already. The players involved must be shitting their pants and having sleepless nights right now.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Drunk enough for the players to be paranoid and pretty much force her to say she was sober. I think that should paint a somewhat clear picture.

Yeah, that's what bothers me- the guys took a video where she said she was sober, but in texts a day later she said she was drunk and the guy didn't contradict her. Which indicates they coerced her to say that.

The lie was pointless, at least from a purely legal standpoint if not ethical: consent given under alchohol someone willingly and knowingly ingested is considered consent in canada. It just made it clear the video was staged.

Plus ,yknow, this very on the up and up act caused the player worry she would go to the police. Do we know what caused him to text her about that?

 

[red devil]

Who gets to determine which texts between the players are relevant?

 

[hockey20000]

Drunk enough for the players to be paranoid and pretty much force her to say she was sober. I think that should paint a somewhat clear picture.

could also just be protecting there ass there is woman who cry wolf you know. even if the majority don't.. all i seen so far was after her mom went to police "she regretting and felt like taken advantage off.. okay but did she voice that opinion at all that night ?

 

[Tuna99]

Yes, police were involved immediately and did an investigation that lasted for several months.

Nobody was charged with any criminal offense, whether rape or sexual assault.

Telling, isn't it?

Do you know how many people get rapped atWestern every year and nothing happens. Western for decades has been an open secret rape academy and the police do nothing. The London police don't inspire confidence, I would never ever ever let my sisters or daughters go to Western is has a horrible reputation and has for years and it just gets worse

How sexual-assault allegations at Western University spread rumour and recrimination in a weekend of fear

Through interviews, text messages and e-mails, The Globe has reconstructed a timeline of the crisis that unfolded during last fall’s orientation week, when reports of a mass drugging sent students leaders and police into emergency mode

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Gainesvillain]

No.....It is 100% a crime and you are 100% on the wrong side of history here. These stupid f@#*s don't need you to defend their criminal behavior. Don't be gross!

Wrong side of history, lol.

Again...after a months-long investigation by police at the time, zero charges were laid, let alone trials conducted or criminal convictions secured.

Posters here are free to speculate all they want about “criminal behavior”, but at this point it’s nothing more than wishful thinking.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

What happened to her sucks but she is not 100% innocent in this either. She met a guy at a party decided to go home with him and sleep with him. To what point she was comfortable at the time with what came next nobody knows. She regretted what happened after but that doesn't mean she wasn't a willing partner. If she gave the impression she was ok with it then the people involved shouldn't be on trial. At no point has it ever been stated that she was against any of it or that they forced her. This seems like more of an optics thing that angered the mother as it should to any parent.

Everyone deserves justice but you can't make a poor decision and then go back in time and insert your fellings after the fact.

Let's just take for granted she *was* willing to have sex with the one guy she went back to the hotel with, do you honestly believe because she consented to that it also means she consented to a gangbang with 7 other guys?

So any woman who agrees to go over to a guy's apartment to have sex with him is also agreeing to allow him to call up his buddies to come over and also have sex?