Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[4thline]

Again...after a months-long investigation by police at the time, zero charges were laid, let alone trials conducted or criminal convictions secured.

Are you really so naïve to think that "investigation being closed months later" equals "months long, diligent, active, investigation"?

 

[Gainesvillain]

Are you really so naïve to think that "investigation being closed months later" equals "months long, diligent, active, investigation"?

You have evidence that the police spokesman was lying?

Or just more wishful thinking.

 

[Edgelord]

Let's just take for granted she *was* willing to have sex with the one guy she went back to the hotel with, do you honestly believe because she consented to that it also means she consented to a gangbang with 7 other guys?

So any woman who agrees to go over to a guy's apartment to have sex with him is also agreeing to allow him to call up his buddies to come over and also have sex?

Do we know if she did consent to a group sexual activity?
Its not unheard of a situation where there is group sex, and everything is under consent. Then the guys start blabbing about what happened and the girl will say rape to save face. (NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED HERE) but merely pointing out it happens.

 

[4thline]

You have evidence that the police spokesman was lying?

Or just more wishful thinking.

They weren't lying. Factual statement that misleads the ignorant. Investigations/ cases / files that are no longer a high priority remain "open" for some time after it's been decided that they're likely going nowhere/ aren't worth the effort. They then sit unlooked at until someone gets around to reviewing them and pronouncing them closed.

 

[cheesymc]

Lemme guess all this dating back from the 80s don’t count because there’s nothing vile in hockey culture.

That was easy.

Wow, long list... great to see so many duck players

You would think that its a no-brainer that you can use the slush fund for stuff like this...

 

[Mingus Dew]

Do we know if she did consent to a group sexual activity?
Its not unheard of a situation where there is group sex, and everything is under consent. Then the guys start blabbing about what happened and the girl will say rape to save face. (NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED HERE) but merely pointing out it happens.

Can you name some times when that happened?

 

[Edgelord]

Can you name some times when that happened?

yes PM me (not to me personally but people I know)

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Its not unheard of a situation where there is group sex, and everything is under consent. Then the guys start blabbing about what happened and the girl will say rape to save face. (NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED HERE) but merely pointing out it happens.

I am 54 and have never, ever heard of that happening.

So, yes, it is unheard of

 

[Edgelord]

I am 54 and have never, ever heard of that happening.

So, yes, it is unheard of

I know of 2 incidents, PM me if you want the redacted versions

 

[Jeune Poulet]

The alternative was contesting the lawsuit. Should they have done that?

See, you guys always phrase it like that, as if it was a binary choice and Hockey Canada acted from the goodness of their heart by not contesting the lawsuit and just agreed to everything.

In reality, this was a long process of denial, bullying and bullshit games by Hockey Canada, until they got the terms of the settlement (anonymity for the players, silence of the victim, financial amount, etc...) they were satisfied with.

Hockey Canada is an extremely powerful, influential and rich organization, protecting influential, priviledged individuals. Don't think for a minute that this girl and her representative were in the driver seat when negotiating this and that this was a walk in the park where HC just gave her all she wanted.

There was a fight. You just never saw it happen because it took place behind closed doors.

 

[AlysonChainz]

Wrong side of history, lol.

Again...after a months-long investigation by police at the time, zero charges were laid, let alone trials conducted or criminal convictions secured.

Posters here are free to speculate all they want about “criminal behavior”, but at this point it’s nothing more than wishful thinking.

Glad you can lol here. Sexual assault cases are difficult to prosecute. No one needs your permission to speculate. You certainly live up to your name.

 

[Dr Pepper]

They didn't give her any money until this year. Unless you have some inside information.

Regardless, they tried their damndest to cover this up and try to ensure no one ever heard about it.

Pretty slimy if you ask me.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

See, you guys always phrase it like that, as if it was a binary choice and Hockey Canada acted from the goodness of their heart by not contesting the lawsuit and just agreed to everything.

To say there was a binary choice says nothing about their motives. You're putting words into peoples mouths.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Again...after a months-long investigation by police at the time, zero charges were laid, let alone trials conducted or criminal convictions secured.

London police have announced yesterday that they will review the investigation you are referring to. That's how confident they are about the botched job they did the first time around.

Between the crapload of bigshot lawyers coming down to London, the ton of connections that Hockey Canada and these players possess, and the stigma surrounding sexual assaults, this girl never had any chance.

 

[Nut Upstrom]

Late to the thread but I've been following the story loosely in the Canadian press

Has there been any proof of a sexual assault beyond the statement of the alleged victim?

This is a tough subject. I have two teenage daughters and if they came to me with this I'd have to believe them. I'd take the issue to the police (like they did here).

At the same time, I also have a teenage son. If someone made accusations against him and he maintained his innocence, I'd want to see proof and I'd let the criminal justice system do it's work. That's what it's there for.

I realize I'll be labeled a woman hater or misogynist by some of you for saying this, and that's ok (none of you actually know me so your opinions mean jack shit yo me). At the end of the day, I'm old enough to remember the Duke lacrosse team. Let law enforcement do their job

So to paraphrase...
I have two daughters, I'd take it to the police and I guess I'd believe em.
I have a son, I'd believe him and back him to the end because all women lie about this. Need proof? Duke.

 

[Buffdog]

So to paraphrase...
I have two daughters, I'd take it to the police and I guess I'd believe em.
I have a son, I'd believe him and back him to the end because all women lie about this. Need proof? Duke.

Nope

I'd be inclined to believe my kids no matter what. Most parents would (I'd imagine). Since I have both a boy and girls, I find myself looking at this situation from all sides.

Law enforcement and the court system exist for a reason. While not perfect, their jobs are to investigate allegations and find the truth

Sometimes guys do this and get away with it. Sometimes they don't do it and are wrongly accused.

It's a sticky situation that requires some nuanced discussion, but this is the internet lol. I don't see the downside to waiting for all the information to come out.

 

[Nut Upstrom]

What happened to her sucks but she is not 100% innocent in this either. She met a guy at a party decided to go home with him and sleep with him. To what point she was comfortable at the time with what came next nobody knows. She regretted what happened after but that doesn't mean she wasn't a willing partner. If she gave the impression she was ok with it then the people involved shouldn't be on trial. At no point has it ever been stated that she was against any of it or that they forced her. This seems like more of an optics thing that angered the mother as it should to any parent.

Everyone deserves justice but you can't make a poor decision and then go back in time and insert your fellings after the fact.

Wonder why so few victims come forward and so few rapists get convicted? It just takes on stylizer on a jury...

 

[Zippity]

See, you guys always phrase it like that, as if it was a binary choice and Hockey Canada acted from the goodness of their heart by not contesting the lawsuit and just agreed to everything.

In reality, this was a long process of denial, bullying and bullshit games by Hockey Canada, until they got the terms of the settlement (anonymity for the players, silence of the victim, financial amount, etc...) they were satisfied with.

Hockey Canada is an extremely powerful, influential and rich organization, protecting influential, priviledged individuals. Don't think for a minute that this girl and her representative were in the driver seat when negotiating this and that this was a walk in the park where HC just gave her all she wanted.

There was a fight. You just never saw it happen because it took place behind closed doors.

BINGO

 

[Silencio]

What even is the point of Hockey Canada? Seriously.

 

[Nut Upstrom]

Nope

I'd be inclined to believe my kids no matter what. Most parents would (I'd imagine). Since I have both a boy and girls, I find myself looking at this situation from all sides.

Law enforcement and the court system exist for a reason. While not perfect, their jobs are to investigate allegations and find the truth

Sometimes guys do this and get away with it. Sometimes they don't do it and are wrongly accused.

It's a sticky situation that requires some nuanced discussion, but this is the internet lol. I don't see the downside to waiting for all the information to come out.

You're a joke. Your "sometimes" seems to imply that these two things happen in equal measure. Try this:

Very, very, very, very often guys do this and get away with it. On very rare occasions they don't and get wrongly accused.

 

[catnip]

It's possible, maybe even probable, that some relevant text messages haven't been released, but in the messages that have been published, the player seems to accept the woman's version of the events without complaint. He's all about her needing to contact the police and make it all go away or else, but he doesn't contradict her when she says she was drunk, or that his seven buddies weren't really what she signed up for, or that she felt demeaned etc. All in all, her messages are consistent with what has been reported earlier and the guy never challenges her. That makes me think not everything was on the up-and-up that night.

 

[WarriorofTime]

It's possible, maybe even probable, that some relevant text messages haven't been released, but in the messages that have been published, the player seems to accept the woman's version of the events without complaint. He's all about her needing to contact the police and make it all go away or else, but he doesn't contradict her when she says she was drunk, or that his seven buddies weren't really what she signed up for, or that she felt demeaned etc. All in all, her messages are consistent with what has been reported earlier and the guy never challenges her. That makes me think not everything was on the up-and-up that night.

Everything not being on the up and up was pretty obvious from the moment it was revealed that Hockey Canada paid a big settlement and tried to buy the story. The only people that think otherwise are those that have their head in the sand and won't acknowledge reality.

 

[DaveMatthew]

It's possible, maybe even probable, that some relevant text messages haven't been released, but in the messages that have been published, the player seems to accept the woman's version of the events without complaint. He's all about her needing to contact the police and make it all go away or else, but he doesn't contradict her when she says she was drunk, or that his seven buddies weren't really what she signed up for, or that she felt demeaned etc. All in all, her messages are consistent with what has been reported earlier and the guy never challenges her. That makes me think not everything was on the up-and-up that night.

Isn't the 2nd text message, "You said you were having fun?"? And then he says, "Your mom is misinterpreting things" and then "Thanks for being honest about this" after she says she reached back out to the police.

Reading between the lines of the text messages can lead to multiple interpretations. That's why it's best to wait for the investigations to conclude.

 

[Buffdog]

You're a joke. Your "sometimes" seems to imply that these two things happen in equal measure. Try this:

Very, very, very, very often guys do this and get away with it. On very rare occasions they don't and get wrongly accused.

I didn't mean to imply anything. I just meant both happen. I don't think either one of us has reliable stats on how much. I'd tend to agree that that get away with it more than they're falsely accused but that doesn't matter if that's the case in this instance. I meant the statement as proof that both scenarios are possible and we shouldn't jump to conclusions because one is more prevalent than the other.

Maybe someday you'll be falsely accused of something. We'd see how quickly your tune would change to "innocent until proven guilty".

 

[Byron Bitz]

Still waiting on these guys to make better statements. The longer this takes them, the more likely the public will associate with wrongdoings...

Hart
Bean
Dube
Katchouk
Steenbergen
Batherson
McLeod
Formenton

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Should sticky this post. Time for these players to speak up.