Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)
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Gil Gunderson
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I feel like they had the hint she wasn’t ok with it when they asked her to shower and filmed her saying she was sober.
WarriorofTime
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People are getting really worked up and just coming off as.... hopeful I guess.. that these guys weren't all on the World Junior team and maybe only like 2 of them were.
This is an incident involving the World Juniors team. Every piece of media makes it very clear. These are not random Junior players that nobody's heard of that aren't and likely never were serious NHL prospects. These are (depending on your personal definition) high profile guys many of whom have likely busted onto NHL rosters in the last few years. They are enjoying quite a privileged life with thus far zero accountability for their actions because a group of adults made it go away for them so they can keep doing their hockey thing.
This was a gala involving the world juniors team. Presumably the hotel being used was one that the world junior team and only the world junior team would be involved. The "initial" individual that engaged in what began as consensual sexual activity (the one in the text messages) was likely not a member of the world junior team but introduced the victim to members of the world junior team. Nobody is being thrown in jail, but it is likely the number of world juniors players involved are substantial, like 7 in all likelihood. The guys at the bar wouldn't have brought all of London, ONT into a hotel they weren't staying at, it just makes less sense than the perpetrators involved being players that stayed at the hotel given all of the media scrutiny that is centering around the World Junior team alongside Hockey Canada's payoff/coverup of the incident, not as likely if these were mostly just "random guys that played hockey".
The "waiting for the facts!" crowd is really just hoping to obscure and muddy the discussion long enough so that this can somehow escape scrutiny (although that time seems long passed). People have every right to read into the players' carefully crafted statements as they will. Given the obviously limited numbers on the World Juniors team, the number of perpetrators involved, it is very reasonable to put all under suspicion. Certainly one would expect anybody that was in zero way involved ("I wasn't at the gala or in London, ONT", "I was asleep in my room", "I never entered that hotel room") to want to make that known to the public. After all, they are in a heavily media scrutinized industry and their image is very important. One would expect players that may have entered the room but not directly involved in any sexual assault to say something different, and we'd expect the ones that committed the acts to say something different so that they are not exposed later as outright lying and calling into question their affirmative defense (which appears to be that it was consensual).
Stifling discussion on the statements being had and the reasons people may be looking into it is not doing anything to pursue justice to a greater degree. The only fight the good fight being done is the one that enables sexual assaults and creates more victims going forward while privileged Dbags are able to get away without consequence. The players on that junior team have full control over the narrative that they want to present to the public about what they did or did not do on the particular night in question. The public is allowed to respond to those and question why certain individuals are choosing to word their statements in a particular way.
This is an incident involving the World Juniors team. Every piece of media makes it very clear. These are not random Junior players that nobody's heard of that aren't and likely never were serious NHL prospects. These are (depending on your personal definition) high profile guys many of whom have likely busted onto NHL rosters in the last few years. They are enjoying quite a privileged life with thus far zero accountability for their actions because a group of adults made it go away for them so they can keep doing their hockey thing.
This was a gala involving the world juniors team. Presumably the hotel being used was one that the world junior team and only the world junior team would be involved. The "initial" individual that engaged in what began as consensual sexual activity (the one in the text messages) was likely not a member of the world junior team but introduced the victim to members of the world junior team. Nobody is being thrown in jail, but it is likely the number of world juniors players involved are substantial, like 7 in all likelihood. The guys at the bar wouldn't have brought all of London, ONT into a hotel they weren't staying at, it just makes less sense than the perpetrators involved being players that stayed at the hotel given all of the media scrutiny that is centering around the World Junior team alongside Hockey Canada's payoff/coverup of the incident, not as likely if these were mostly just "random guys that played hockey".
The "waiting for the facts!" crowd is really just hoping to obscure and muddy the discussion long enough so that this can somehow escape scrutiny (although that time seems long passed). People have every right to read into the players' carefully crafted statements as they will. Given the obviously limited numbers on the World Juniors team, the number of perpetrators involved, it is very reasonable to put all under suspicion. Certainly one would expect anybody that was in zero way involved ("I wasn't at the gala or in London, ONT", "I was asleep in my room", "I never entered that hotel room") to want to make that known to the public. After all, they are in a heavily media scrutinized industry and their image is very important. One would expect players that may have entered the room but not directly involved in any sexual assault to say something different, and we'd expect the ones that committed the acts to say something different so that they are not exposed later as outright lying and calling into question their affirmative defense (which appears to be that it was consensual).
Stifling discussion on the statements being had and the reasons people may be looking into it is not doing anything to pursue justice to a greater degree. The only fight the good fight being done is the one that enables sexual assaults and creates more victims going forward while privileged Dbags are able to get away without consequence. The players on that junior team have full control over the narrative that they want to present to the public about what they did or did not do on the particular night in question. The public is allowed to respond to those and question why certain individuals are choosing to word their statements in a particular way.
Dr Pepper
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Yeah you're probably right.
And I bet she was dressed like she was just asking for it too, eh?
Jesus ****ing christ, dude.
If there had been full consent from her, all along, Hockey Canada wouldn't have used taxpayer money to pay for her silence years ago. And there wouldn't be 1,500+ posts on this whole incident happening, or a full investigation that's captured national headlines.
Think that's all just over nothing, do you?
Tad Mikowsky
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Well this takes the cake for the worst take in this thread and there’s been some pretty shitty ones.
I hope you never have a daughter.
Honestly I think them having a son would be worse, apples-> trees
Surrounded By Ahos
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So, this is called victim blaming and it’s generally regarded as a pretty shitty thing to do.
DingerMcSlapshot
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Dude yikes.... this is a terrible take.
Jeune Poulet
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This is a completely ridiculous post that I hope no one is taking seriously. The police isn't out to get people who report crimes and you are not going to end up in prison for simply reporting a crime.
If you have knowledge of a crime, you can and should absolutely report it to the police as quickly as possible to limit the damages, and there's no need to be able to afford a lawyer to do so.
Get a lawyer if you are in trouble, or if you are doing some shady stuff AND need to report a crime.
FDBluth
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If they informed their lawyers, insurance and police on the same day, within 4-6 hours I'm not sure that's the big problem with Hockey Canada.
I don't think there's anything wrong with talking to your lawyer before going to the police.
As for insurance, it's possible they are obligated to inform them so they can opt to have their lawyers handle everything (to maintain coverage). Sr VP of Risk Management sounds like the person that would be coordinating with their lawyers/insurance.
Again, if they sat on this for days or weeks, I'd agree there should be more anger to HC. But if they notified insurance/lawyers/police on the same day. There wasn't an ongoing crime that required police intervention.
A really big thing that's not being talked about enough is that the government knew about this a long time ago and didn't seem to do anything about it until it hit the news recently.
Ok you win shittiest poster on this forum
I haven’t been following too closely, but who’s left to have not made a statement denying involving at this point? It has to be pretty close to narrowing down who it “might” nee, yes?
DaveMatthew
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Half of the statements are legal jargon denying "wrongdoing". They in no way clear anyone. So no, nobody can use "put out a statement = yes or no" to narrow down the list.
Besides, denying involvement doesn't mean you actually weren't involved. Deshaun Watson has denied everything, to this day.
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I don’t think how many members of the team were involved really matters. What matters is what that happened, how it was handled and whoever was involved faces consequences.
WarriorofTime
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Generally agree which is why I find the hyper-focus on it a bit alarming as an attempt to I guess.. downplay the significance.
Stylizer1
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I'm not saying she was not a victim but such a young age both males and females make dumb mistakes. If she never said no it could lead people involved to think it was ok. There are so many facts not made public in this case for anyone to determine anything. Things are always released to the media with a desired outcome in place. I am not jumping to conclusions.
If there was a crime it should have been treated as such but if you go for the money first it makes it seems suspicious. The money would have still been there.
Dr Pepper
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The only thing "suspicious" about this case is Hockey Canada using taxpayer money to pay off a sexual assault victim and attempt to sweep this debacle under the rug.
When the victim took the deal maybe she just wanted it to remain secret, maybe she wasn't feeling vindictive, who knows. It was her choice, she could've gone scorched earth back then and put the whole team on blast.
I hope she does now.
That’s not what I asked, I’m just wondering who has or hasn’t said anything yet.
Regardless, not saying anything at all definitely looks worse than saying you didn’t do anything wrong.
She literally said in her text message that she was OK sleeping with the one player but wasn't expecting the others to join and felt like she was taken advantage of.
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The victim's mom literally went to the police in this very case.
The level of stupidity in posts defending rape-enabling culture is absolutely inconceivable.
And I am not one bit surprised.
Tad Mikowsky
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You literally said that she’s to blame as well.
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