Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[Stylizer1]

I hate when something is so bad that they skip the criminal route and go the civil route instead. Makes it look like a money grab and now the media is pushing for a public hanging and everyone is frothing at the mouth. This is so backwards regardless of what the truth is.

 

[Korpse]

Still waiting on these guys to make better statements. The longer this takes them, the more likely the public will associate with wrongdoings...

Hart
Bean
Dube
Katchouk
Steenbergen
Batherson
McLeod
Howden
Formenton

 

[Kshahdoo]

If the case goes to court will the girl have to return money she was paid?

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Batherson and Comtois were playing at the Worlds a couple months ago. If either was involved, there needs to be more explanation from Hockey Canada.

Couldn't the argument be made that those two playing might lend credibility to their innocence?

 

[I am toxic]

If the case goes to court will the girl have to return money she was paid?

What court?

Civil, or criminal?

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Couldn't the argument be made that those two playing might lend credibility to their innocence?

I guess it’s possible, but I haven’t seen much from HC that would lead me to believe they could make a concious decision like that. Very little accountability or competency over there.

 

[Zippity]

One tidbit today

Hockey Canada has made no attempt to identify the alleged perpetrators of this alleged assault. I'm struggling to understand how one could have a zero tolerance policy that is not implemented against people who are accused, who then cost the organization considerable time, resources and money, and no effort is made to ensure that those athletes are held accountable.

 

[StevenF1919]

Where is E Kane?

He's an Oilers fan. Evander Kane scored a bunch of goals for them in the playoffs and therefore did nothing wrong.

 

[Zippity]

Closing notes from House of Commons

As chair, listening to all of this, I am surprised that this happened, that even though the victim was paid a sum of money, and even though we have all agreed we don't want to find out who the perpetrators were, there was no internal investigation that would have identified the perpetrators, or all the people, at that event.
I think there was impunity here, and it's not good enough to say what you're going to do. I wonder why it took you four years to find a person who would deal with this kind of conduct. This is something that should have happened almost immediately. This should have been an internal thing that Hockey Canada wanted to do, again, to be transparent and accountable.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

One tidbit today

Hockey Canada has made no attempt to identify the alleged perpetrators of this alleged assault. I'm struggling to understand how one could have a zero tolerance policy that is not implemented against people who are accused, who then cost the organization considerable time, resources and money, and no effort is made to ensure that those athletes are held accountable.

HC paid the hush money so they don't have to identify them publicly, they 100% know who is involved - what they're involved in is the debate now

 

[Zippity]

HC paid the hush money so they don't have to identify them publicly, they 100% know who is involved - what they're involved in is the debate now

Several other sex assaults reported also.
Hockey Canada executive also stated numerous times that they are on a journey

 

[rt]

8 hockey players are accused, right? But only two from the Team Canada roster? The others are “CHLers”? Do I have that correct?

 

[Mr Kot]

"He's an Oilers fan. Evander Kane scored a bunch of goals for them in the playoffs and therefore did nothing wrong."

 

[PostBradMalone]

8 hockey players are accused, right? But only two from the Team Canada roster? The others are “CHLers”? Do I have that correct?

No, it's not really clear. All 8 could be from the WJC team, or it could just be a couple. That's why the player statements- and increasingly, the lack there of- have been such a focal point. If all but one player categorically denied ever being in that hotel room, you'd have your answer as to how many are involved. We are currently above that number.

 

[Kublakhan]

I firmly believe less government is best for the people, but I have to hand it to Canada they went heavy handed on the right topic this time..

 

[Mike0713]

lol let’s just keep burying our head into the sand and ignore the obvious problem in hockey.

That is the point, the problem is not bigger in hockey like some of you try to paint it, it is everywhere the same.

 

[dukeofjive]

That is the point, the problem is not bigger in hockey like some of you try to paint it, it is everywhere the same.

Hey dude, your like the 10th person to post the same argument. Its a hockey forum, we talk about hockey on a hockey forum.

Just to make sure, a hockey forum. thanks hope it helps.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

I firmly believe less government is best for the people, but I have to hand it to Canada they went heavy handed on the right topic this time..

Our teenage girls should not be served up as meat to our “achieving” males.

 

[Icelevel]

This isn’t meant as anything but a thought. Just thinking here….
What if the sexes were reversed. So a female brings a guy back to her room then goes and gets her 7 friends. The guy is drunk and is like…..(?)

Edit: this is pretty dumb. Was a half baked thought experiment.

 

[Mike0713]

Hey dude, your like the 10th person to post the same argument. Its a hockey forum, we talk about hockey on a hockey forum.

Just to make sure, a hockey forum. thanks hope it helps.

Again behind a hockey forum doesn't mean you cant say whatever you want even when it is not accurate, if you don't like people's opinions then don't come on a public forum or just don't read it and move on. Didn't you think that if many people repeat the same thing it might have some truth to it? Or you are the one that is right and everyone else wrong I guess?

By the way, your condescending tone does not impress me and will not make me shut up, only show up your inability to argue with people about subjects that might be too mature for you.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

This isn’t meant as anything but a thought. Just thinking here….
What if the sexes were reversed. So a female brings a guy back to her room then goes and gets her 7 friends. The guy is drunk and is like…..(?)

Do they spit on me and laugh at me or is more like my bucket list 8-some dream?

 

[Jeune Poulet]

This isn’t meant as anything but a thought. Just thinking here….
What if the sexes were reversed. So a female brings a guy back to her room then goes and gets her 7 friends. The guy is drunk and is like…..(?)

It's pretty simple: if he consents and feels safe to consent the whole time, it's OK.

If he doesn't it's not.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

No, it's not really clear. All 8 could be from the WJC team, or it could just be a couple. That's why the player statements- and increasingly, the lack there of- have been such a focal point. If all but one player categorically denied ever being in that hotel room, you'd have your answer as to how many are involved. We are currently above that number.

And how many CHL(non WJHC) players attended said event and could be thrown into the mix of potential perpetrators? I heard "many." Maybe one of the many experts here could answer this.

 

[Kshahdoo]

What court?

Civil, or criminal?

Honestly I know nothing about Canadian judicial system.

 

[I am toxic]

I’m not going to join in the “Name that Player” game.

But since the Heritage Committee hearings start up again next week, I decided to re-read the entire transcript from the first day.

Evidence - CHPC (44-1) - No. 38 - House of Commons of Canada

Evidence - CHPC (44-1) - No. 38 - House of Commons of Canada

www.ourcommons.ca

After Renney, Smith and Andrews were finished testifying for the day, the hearing actually continued with committee members posing questions to Pascale St-Onge, the Minister of Sport. I’m sure most people stopped reading before this section.

Anyway, St-Onge was asked to clarify for the committee that Hockey Canada complied with the legal requirement to report complaints of assault to Sport Canada.

St-Onge read aloud Hockey Canada’s complete statement, which was sent to Sport Canada on June 26, 2018, 7 days after the alleged incident.

Here it is, word-for-word:

“On June 19, Hockey Canada held a golf and gala for their national junior men's hockey team. Alleged sexual assault happened after the golf portion of the event. Involves member of the national junior team. Hockey Canada reported the incident to London police. Hockey Canada has contracted outside counsel. Hockey Canada has asked counsel to involve a third-party company. The victim has attended a rape crisis centre. Hockey Canada has offered counselling to the victim.”

That’s not the version of events Renney and Smith provided in their testimony earlier that day. I’d be asking them a lot of questions …

Also notice the subtle misdirection in listing their actions, back when the cover-up was getting up to full speed.

Here (from above) is what Hockey Canada reported on June 26th 2018 to Sport Canada as to the events on June 19 2018, long before their grassroots funded hush-money payout was revealed - notice the order:

1. "Hockey Canada reported the incident to London police."
2. "Hockey Canada has contracted outside counsel."
3. "Hockey Canada has asked counsel to involve a third-party company."

Here is the actual sworn testimony as to the order of events as they occurred that day:

1. "I believe that was at two o'clock. He (Sr. VP of Risk Management and Insurance) then had the discussion with the law firm."
2. "We reported this to our insurers."
3. "I believe that at six o'clock eastern—my times are Mountain Time—so I guess at four o'clock Mountain Time, the London Police Service would have been advised."

This is how you deliberately deceive people - state true things, but arrange them to create a completely false narrative that implies one did the right thing (going to the police first), when in fact they did the opposite (going to the police last), all while providing a sliver of deniability that will of course assuage the hockey psychophants. "We never said we did them in that order". Yeah, you simply wrote it in a way that any decent honest person would assume that.

Me, when I am informed of a heinous crime like gang rape, my first reaction would be to go to the police.

Hockey Canada, when informed of a heinous crime like gang rape, went to their Sr VP of Risk Management and Insurance. Then to their lawyers. Then to their insurers.

Then they went to the police.

Then they deliberately wove a false narrative about their actions. That only came to light under sworn testimony before a House of Commons committee or whatever these hearings are called.

Bravo, Hockey Canada, bravo! If I had any doubts (I didn't) that you are the last people who should be driving the change in the toxic culture of hockey, you have absolutely swept them away.

And when I say bravo, we all know what I really mean.