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I hate when something is so bad that they skip the criminal route and go the civil route instead. Makes it look like a money grab and now the media is pushing for a public hanging and everyone is frothing at the mouth. This is so backwards regardless of what the truth is.
I guess it’s possible, but I haven’t seen much from HC that would lead me to believe they could make a concious decision like that. Very little accountability or competency over there.
Hockey Canada has made no attempt to identify the alleged perpetrators of this alleged assault. I'm struggling to understand how one could have a zero tolerance policy that is not implemented against people who are accused, who then cost the organization considerable time, resources and money, and no effort is made to ensure that those athletes are held accountable.
As chair, listening to all of this, I am surprised that this happened, that even though the victim was paid a sum of money, and even though we have all agreed we don't want to find out who the perpetrators were, there was no internal investigation that would have identified the perpetrators, or all the people, at that event.
I think there was impunity here, and it's not good enough to say what you're going to do. I wonder why it took you four years to find a person who would deal with this kind of conduct. This is something that should have happened almost immediately. This should have been an internal thing that Hockey Canada wanted to do, again, to be transparent and accountable.
Hockey Canada has made no attempt to identify the alleged perpetrators of this alleged assault. I'm struggling to understand how one could have a zero tolerance policy that is not implemented against people who are accused, who then cost the organization considerable time, resources and money, and no effort is made to ensure that those athletes are held accountable.
No, it's not really clear. All 8 could be from the WJC team, or it could just be a couple. That's why the player statements- and increasingly, the lack there of- have been such a focal point. If all but one player categorically denied ever being in that hotel room, you'd have your answer as to how many are involved. We are currently above that number.
This isn’t meant as anything but a thought. Just thinking here….
What if the sexes were reversed. So a female brings a guy back to her room then goes and gets her 7 friends. The guy is drunk and is like…..(?)
Edit: this is pretty dumb. Was a half baked thought experiment.
Again behind a hockey forum doesn't mean you cant say whatever you want even when it is not accurate, if you don't like people's opinions then don't come on a public forum or just don't read it and move on. Didn't you think that if many people repeat the same thing it might have some truth to it? Or you are the one that is right and everyone else wrong I guess?
By the way, your condescending tone does not impress me and will not make me shut up, only show up your inability to argue with people about subjects that might be too mature for you.
This isn’t meant as anything but a thought. Just thinking here….
What if the sexes were reversed. So a female brings a guy back to her room then goes and gets her 7 friends. The guy is drunk and is like…..(?)
This isn’t meant as anything but a thought. Just thinking here….
What if the sexes were reversed. So a female brings a guy back to her room then goes and gets her 7 friends. The guy is drunk and is like…..(?)
No, it's not really clear. All 8 could be from the WJC team, or it could just be a couple. That's why the player statements- and increasingly, the lack there of- have been such a focal point. If all but one player categorically denied ever being in that hotel room, you'd have your answer as to how many are involved. We are currently above that number.
And how many CHL(non WJHC) players attended said event and could be thrown into the mix of potential perpetrators? I heard "many." Maybe one of the many experts here could answer this.
Evidence - CHPC (44-1) - No. 38 - House of Commons of Canada
www.ourcommons.ca
After Renney, Smith and Andrews were finished testifying for the day, the hearing actually continued with committee members posing questions to Pascale St-Onge, the Minister of Sport. I’m sure most people stopped reading before this section.
Anyway, St-Onge was asked to clarify for the committee that Hockey Canada complied with the legal requirement to report complaints of assault to Sport Canada.
St-Onge read aloud Hockey Canada’s complete statement, which was sent to Sport Canada on June 26, 2018, 7 days after the alleged incident.
Here it is, word-for-word:
“On June 19, Hockey Canada held a golf and gala for their national junior men's hockey team. Alleged sexual assault happened after the golf portion of the event. Involves member of the national junior team. Hockey Canada reported the incident to London police. Hockey Canada has contracted outside counsel. Hockey Canada has asked counsel to involve a third-party company. The victim has attended a rape crisis centre. Hockey Canada has offered counselling to the victim.”
That’s not the version of events Renney and Smith provided in their testimony earlier that day. I’d be asking them a lot of questions …
Also notice the subtle misdirection in listing their actions, back when the cover-up was getting up to full speed.
Here (from above) is what Hockey Canada reported on June 26th 2018 to Sport Canada as to the events on June 19 2018, long before their grassroots funded hush-money payout was revealed - notice the order:
1. "Hockey Canada reported the incident to London police."
2. "Hockey Canada has contracted outside counsel."
3. "Hockey Canada has asked counsel to involve a third-party company."
Here is the actual sworn testimony as to the order of events as they occurred that day:
1. "I believe that was at two o'clock. He (Sr. VP of Risk Management and Insurance) then had the discussion with the law firm."
2. "We reported this to our insurers."
3. "I believe that at six o'clock eastern—my times are Mountain Time—so I guess at four o'clock Mountain Time, the London Police Service would have been advised."
This is how you deliberately deceive people - state true things, but arrange them to create a completely false narrative that implies one did the right thing (going to the police first), when in fact they did the opposite (going to the police last), all while providing a sliver of deniability that will of course assuage the hockey psychophants. "We never said we did them in that order". Yeah, you simply wrote it in a way that any decent honest person would assume that.
Me, when I am informed of a heinous crime like gang rape, my first reaction would be to go to the police.
Hockey Canada, when informed of a heinous crime like gang rape, went to their Sr VP of Risk Management and Insurance. Then to their lawyers. Then to their insurers.
Then they went to the police.
Then they deliberately wove a false narrative about their actions. That only came to light under sworn testimony before a House of Commons committee or whatever these hearings are called.
Bravo, Hockey Canada, bravo! If I had any doubts (I didn't) that you are the last people who should be driving the change in the toxic culture of hockey, you have absolutely swept them away.
And when I say bravo, we all know what I really mean.
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