Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[Korpse]

No statement at all is suspect. The collective silence and hoping this goes away is done-zo now. There is a 0 % chance you would just be unaware about it by now. If you weren't in the room you want everyone to know about it at this point. Most likely they are speaking hourly with their lawyers right now with the primary aim of avoiding jail time.

These players aren't acting on their own and their statements aren't even their own words. This idea that you can just type something on your phone and clear your name is so wrong. More statements will be released, how is that not obvious? Look I want to see the players involved face the consequences, I want to see Hockey Canada take responsibility and for once actually do something about a very serious issue but you are so very wrong, it is not suspect.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

Or - for some people - this is a big deal. If you don't care that's fine, move along.

I love this sport - I hate the culture surrounding it. This is a story that hits too close to home for some. No real world ties? You could make the same comparison to a whole hoist of issues.

Dont get me wrong, it is a big deal. There is/always has been a problem and as long as we exist as perfectly faulty human beings with the gift/curse of free will there will always will exist 'a problem.'

Just understand that not everyone who who waves the same flag and fights the same fight as you is in it for the 'right' reasons. The loudest and most forceful voices of peace and virtue are not necessarily the most peaceful and virtuous among the crowd. But they will slither into to the forefront seeking power and control. Because that's what they do. Stay frosty.

 

[Paper]

It kind of sucks that completely innocent people who have not been accused of wrongdoing have to release statements so people on the media and internet won’t start making assumptions about them. It is absolutely a small injustice relative to the accusations, but still

If my small company of 15 people had 8 people rape someone at the company Christmas party that I wasn't even at I would be quick to point that out and not let people speculate about me. I'm also not in a front facing occupation where publicity and a fanbase are important. So they don't owe us an explanation, it's their own choice to release a statement, but they knew people would speculate and there was no downside to releasing a statement if they weren't involved (unless they believe they owed some kind of loyalty to the rapists to help hide who it was).

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Prove me wrong

Lemme guess all this dating back from the 80s don’t count because there’s nothing vile in hockey culture.

That was easy.

 

[Deuce22]

I will try again:
The statements that say they were not involved in the incident are legit, they mean they had nothing to do with it.

The statements that say they were cleared of wrongdoing likely means they participated but are saying it was consensual and the victim is lying.

It’s that simple.

Edit: read Dube, Katchouk and Hart and co. in here and tell me you still don’t see it:

Hockey Canada Junior Players Were Accused Of Sex Assault In 2018 & Here's Who's Denied It

The woman has not named any names.

www.narcity.com

Got it. If you believe the statements.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

People are allowed to have suspicions, I understand it has no effect on the legal outcome. Waiting this long and staying silent after people accuse you of rape on your social media, while most members of the team have denied it, is going to raise eyebrows. Like it or not, that's how the human brain works. I agree there are some bad faith fans from rival teams hoping certain players get booked for it, but this is common sense for most sane people.

As a Sens fan I pray the two players are not involved, but I just can't pretend that it doesn't look grim for them at the moment.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Kinda creepy how 'involved' some of you are getting here imo. I mean I can understand wanting to stand up for what's right and looking for a better world/future but some of the posters here are bordering on total obsession for an incident they have no real world ties to.

And if I'd have to guess --the actual wellbeing-- of the victim is a complete afterthought for many here. The illusion of power and control is an intoxicating feeling for one's sense of self. Can open some real dark doors if you're not careful.

Check yo'self before u rek yo'self homie

Bruh it's taxpayer money being used to hush gangrape by the rich and powerful


And you think it's creepy people care so much?

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

Bruh it's taxpayer money being used to hush gangrape by the rich and powerful


And you think it's creepy people care so much?

That's a Hockey Canada issue. It's the "these players haven't made a statement" "this statement was worded the wrong way" "there's too many statements now so all are null and void" track of thinking that's obsessive and disgusting.

It's no longer about 'truth' and 'accountability' at this point. It's a f***ing witch hunt. Throw them off a cliff and if they die they were innocent.

 

[Mike0713]

Lemme guess all this dating back from the 80s don’t count because there’s nothing vile in hockey culture.

That was easy.

This is dumb and does not mean anything, so you have like 50 cases in the last 40 years, I'm pretty sure you can do the same list with any profession that exists, not to mention a lot of the guys on the list have been either found innocent / or gossip without any proof. Like why the hell is Guy Lafleur on this list.

I work in a hospital let's make a list of all the doctors/nurses that have been accused of sexual or violent misconduct over the last 10 years only, trust me, the list will be longer than this one. A few rotten apples do not mean there is a cultural problem with hockey.

 

[BadgerBruce]

I’m not going to join in the “Name that Player” game.

But since the Heritage Committee hearings start up again next week, I decided to re-read the entire transcript from the first day.

Evidence - CHPC (44-1) - No. 38 - House of Commons of Canada

Evidence - CHPC (44-1) - No. 38 - House of Commons of Canada

www.ourcommons.ca

After Renney, Smith and Andrews were finished testifying for the day, the hearing actually continued with committee members posing questions to Pascale St-Onge, the Minister of Sport. I’m sure most people stopped reading before this section.

Anyway, St-Onge was asked to clarify for the committee that Hockey Canada complied with the legal requirement to report complaints of assault to Sport Canada.

St-Onge read aloud Hockey Canada’s complete statement, which was sent to Sport Canada on June 26, 2018, 7 days after the alleged incident.

Here it is, word-for-word:

“On June 19, Hockey Canada held a golf and gala for their national junior men's hockey team. Alleged sexual assault happened after the golf portion of the event. Involves member of the national junior team. Hockey Canada reported the incident to London police. Hockey Canada has contracted outside counsel. Hockey Canada has asked counsel to involve a third-party company. The victim has attended a rape crisis centre. Hockey Canada has offered counselling to the victim.”

That’s not the version of events Renney and Smith provided in their testimony earlier that day. I’d be asking them a lot of questions …

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

This is dumb and does not mean anything, so you have like 50 cases in the last 40 years, I'm pretty sure you can do the same list with any profession that exists, not to mention a lot of the guys on the list have been either found innocent / or gossip without any proof. Like why the hell is Guy Lafleur on this list.

I work in a hospital let's make a list of all the doctors/nurses that have been accused of sexual or violent misconduct over the last 10 years only, trust me, the list will be longer than this one. A few rotten apples do not mean there is a cultural problem with hockey.

lol let’s just keep burying our head into the sand and ignore the obvious problem in hockey.

 

[HabsDood]

All these guys if ever, should have their dicks cut

 

[IranCondraAffair]

It isn't just a problem in hockey. Basketball, Football, Soccer, etc.. That said, whataboutism does nothing to solve the problem. Hockey Canada (and the NHL) need to review their policies and procedures for these things.

This is one incident and people can argue about the details of it, but when you look at long (and not even exhaustive) list someone just posted, you can see a clear pattern of behaviour where:

1. There was inadequate rules to punish bad behaviour off-ice. The NHL needs to protect itself and the sport

2. Inconsistent enforcement when it did exist.

Fans expect better. It will drive fans away if they can't clean up the image. No one wants to cheer for a team full of rapists and wifebeaters where the team can't even terminate a contract when something like this happens.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Still waiting on these guys to make better statements. The longer this takes them, the more likely the public will associate with wrongdoings...

Hart
Bean
Dube
Katchouk
Steenbergen
Batherson
McLeod
Formenton

Updated

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Comtois' statement:

EDIT: never saw it on the thread but apparently, it was made a few hours ago so sorry if this was already shared.

 

[SensFactor]

I wonder what the NHL teams will do with their involved players after this is all settled

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

In my opinion this is the most logical solution where everyone wins.

The 8 players involved are still allowed to play hockey but they're forced to pay 25% of their earnings to the victim and 25% to charitable foundations related to SA for the next 6-7 years, thus they will forfeit 50% of their earnings until the age of 30.

If the players are of high calibre, over the span of 6-7 years the victim will receive close to 20m and likewise will the foundations.

This should appease the public as if people truly care about the victim, they would happily be receptive to the idea of her becoming $20m richer and her and her family for the generations to come will never have to work again. If the players are permanently banned, she nor the foundations will receive money that is literally life changing.

I'm sure the players will jump at this opportunity as the alternative is a lifetime ban from the NHL and/or jail time.

This way the teams aren't punished for something they had no part of, the players receive public disgrace everywhere they go, they lose half of their income, the victim is more than set for life.

Holy ****, I just came across this post catching up on this thread. You're not logical in the slightest. This post should be immortalized. I think I may screenshot it.

Imagine continuing to reward the pieces of **** in society by allowing them to play for $millions.

 

[WarriorofTime]

People are allowed to have suspicions, I understand it has no effect on the legal outcome. Waiting this long and staying silent after people accuse you of rape on your social media, while most members of the team have denied it, is going to raise eyebrows. Like it or not, that's how the human brain works. I agree there are some bad faith fans from rival teams hoping certain players get booked for it, but this is common sense for most sane people.

As a Sens fan I pray the two players are not involved, but I just can't pretend that it doesn't look grim for them at the moment.

This transcends sports rivalries/team loyalties.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Batherson and Comtois were playing at the Worlds a couple months ago. If either was involved, there needs to be more explanation from Hockey Canada.

This transcends sports rivalries/team loyalties.

Of course it does. My point is that unfortunately there are idiots who will exploit the tragedy to do some gotcha shit, but that doesn’t take away from most people’s suspicions about players remaining silent being valid.

 

[wetcoast]

Thanks for your analysis

You're most welcome.

 

[theVladiator]

I will try again:
The statements that say they were not involved in the incident are legit, they mean they had nothing to do with it.

The statements that say they were cleared of wrongdoing likely means they participated but are saying it was consensual and the victim is lying.

It’s that simple.

Edit: read Dube, Katchouk and Hart and co. in here and tell me you still don’t see it:

Hockey Canada Junior Players Were Accused Of Sex Assault In 2018 & Here's Who's Denied It

The woman has not named any names.

www.narcity.com

To see the difference between the different statements one needs to look no further than several players (Kyrou etc) issuing a stronger denial after the initial "cleared of wrongdoing" umbrella statement was issued for a group of them. There is a reason they wanted to distance themselves from that kind of statement.

That said, that group statement is a side mess in itself. It's clearly an attempt at a shell game to hide the name(s) of the player(s) involved in a larger group. The statement was issued by a lawyer almost certainly representing one of the players involved on behalf of the group "in consultation" with the lawyers for other players. Are the other lawyers totally incompetent to allow their clients to be used in such a way? Some foul smelling lawyering here.

 

[Craigo85]

Isn’t it enough to say they weren’t involved?

I don't think so, because if they say they weren't involved in any abuse, that could just be them saying they didn't view the encounter as abuse.

 

[Zippity]

I’m not going to join in the “Name that Player” game.

But since the Heritage Committee hearings start up again next week, I decided to re-read the entire transcript from the first day.

Evidence - CHPC (44-1) - No. 38 - House of Commons of Canada

Evidence - CHPC (44-1) - No. 38 - House of Commons of Canada

www.ourcommons.ca

After Renney, Smith and Andrews were finished testifying for the day, the hearing actually continued with committee members posing questions to Pascale St-Onge, the Minister of Sport. I’m sure most people stopped reading before this section.

Anyway, St-Onge was asked to clarify for the committee that Hockey Canada complied with the legal requirement to report complaints of assault to Sport Canada.

St-Onge read aloud Hockey Canada’s complete statement, which was sent to Sport Canada on June 26, 2018, 7 days after the alleged incident.

Here it is, word-for-word:

“On June 19, Hockey Canada held a golf and gala for their national junior men's hockey team. Alleged sexual assault happened after the golf portion of the event. Involves member of the national junior team. Hockey Canada reported the incident to London police. Hockey Canada has contracted outside counsel. Hockey Canada has asked counsel to involve a third-party company. The victim has attended a rape crisis centre. Hockey Canada has offered counselling to the victim.”

That’s not the version of events Renney and Smith provided in their testimony earlier that day. I’d be asking them a lot of questions …

Glenn Mcurdie not present

 

[Jordan Belfort]

Lemme guess all this dating back from the 80s don’t count because there’s nothing vile in hockey culture.

That was easy.

Where is E Kane?

 

[Zippity]

I’m not going to join in the “Name that Player” game.

But since the Heritage Committee hearings start up again next week, I decided to re-read the entire transcript from the first day.

Evidence - CHPC (44-1) - No. 38 - House of Commons of Canada

Evidence - CHPC (44-1) - No. 38 - House of Commons of Canada

www.ourcommons.ca

After Renney, Smith and Andrews were finished testifying for the day, the hearing actually continued with committee members posing questions to Pascale St-Onge, the Minister of Sport. I’m sure most people stopped reading before this section.

Anyway, St-Onge was asked to clarify for the committee that Hockey Canada complied with the legal requirement to report complaints of assault to Sport Canada.

St-Onge read aloud Hockey Canada’s complete statement, which was sent to Sport Canada on June 26, 2018, 7 days after the alleged incident.

Here it is, word-for-word:

“On June 19, Hockey Canada held a golf and gala for their national junior men's hockey team. Alleged sexual assault happened after the golf portion of the event. Involves member of the national junior team. Hockey Canada reported the incident to London police. Hockey Canada has contracted outside counsel. Hockey Canada has asked counsel to involve a third-party company. The victim has attended a rape crisis centre. Hockey Canada has offered counselling to the victim.”

That’s not the version of events Renney and Smith provided in their testimony earlier that day. I’d be asking them a lot of questions …

So hockey Canada exec didn’t know any names of the accused? LOL
And majority of players didn’t cooperate .
Several other sex assaults reported… yikes