Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

In my opinion this is the most logical solution where everyone wins.

The 8 players involved are still allowed to play hockey but they're forced to pay 25% of their earnings to the victim and 25% to charitable foundations related to SA for the next 6-7 years, thus they will forfeit 50% of their earnings until the age of 30.

If the players are of high calibre, over the span of 6-7 years the victim will receive close to 20m and likewise will the foundations.

This should appease the public as if people truly care about the victim, they would happily be receptive to the idea of her becoming $20m richer and her and her family for the generations to come will never have to work again. If the players are permanently banned, she nor the foundations will receive money that is literally life changing.

I'm sure the players will jump at this opportunity as the alternative is a lifetime ban from the NHL and/or jail time.

This way the teams aren't punished for something they had no part of, the players receive public disgrace everywhere they go, they lose half of their income, the victim is more than set for life.

Quick question; what in the actual f***?

 

[bert]

At this point if you weren't anywhere close to this, you'd be separating yourself quick from the pack. You'd be making it perfectly clear, with or without throwing your buddies under the bus.

For anyone who just left and was there, that is almost as bad and a lack of common sense. Honestly it might be worse in my book. It's disappointing, but if it's all true, it's terrible. It's a decision by young boys and does not necessarily speak about Hockey culture in general.

Now the clean up and sweeping afterwards by Hockey Canada and Agents, yes. Actually they need to all pay, Agents included.

How many of us played sports and partook in anything like this? Seriously. I hope anyone proven to be involved gets their contracts terminated, jail, ejected for life.

Also good detective work by people in this thread, narrowing it down. Obviously it may not be entirely correct, but a few interesting possible names on that list.

I haven't read everything, but I'd assume there is also a high possibility of an illicit substance being used in conjunction with alcohol.

Raping someone is worse than not and no it's not close.

If you're going to be destroying someone's life it has to be entirely correct. That's the issue with the court of public opinion. Lastly if they are wrong in the accusations and its proven how much better or worse is it to accuse someone of something they haven't done and them be persecuted for or. What are the repercussions of that?

This needs to be done accurately. There can't be an in-between. The offenders should pay and pay dearly. But the innocent players should not simply be grouped in.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Quick question; what in the actual f***?

Now now, as we all know the most important thing is that the offender isn't punished too severely.

We need to worry about their rehabilitation, after all.

 

[SoupNazi]

In my opinion this is the most logical solution where everyone wins.

The 8 players involved are still allowed to play hockey but they're forced to pay 25% of their earnings to the victim and 25% to charitable foundations related to SA for the next 6-7 years, thus they will forfeit 50% of their earnings until the age of 30.

If the players are of high calibre, over the span of 6-7 years the victim will receive close to 20m and likewise will the foundations.

This should appease the public as if people truly care about the victim, they would happily be receptive to the idea of her becoming $20m richer and her and her family for the generations to come will never have to work again. If the players are permanently banned, she nor the foundations will receive money that is literally life changing.

I'm sure the players will jump at this opportunity as the alternative is a lifetime ban from the NHL and/or jail time.

This way the teams aren't punished for something they had no part of, the players receive public disgrace everywhere they go, they lose half of their income, the victim is more than set for life.

This is...a take.

 

[99ovr]

This is an insanely disconnected thing to say. You're basically attaching a fee to being able to rape someone with impunity. The victim should get that money and the rapists should STILL go to jail. Unreal man.

Most rape victims dont get paid, the criminals go to jail and that's it

 

[Evergreen]

Most rape victims dont get paid, the criminals go to jail and that's it

That’s not true at all. There are very often civil lawsuits that follow the criminal trial (or even occur in the absence of a conviction due to the lower burden of proof in a civil case) in which victims can recover damages for medical bills, pain and suffering, emotional distress, etc.

 

[Drij]

I would concur.

NOBODY hires Henein Hutchison to conduct an impartial 3rd party investigation.

A few stories about Marie Henein …

Warren Kinsella, in a recent Toronto Sun piece, goes to town against Debbie Jodoin, the “whistleblower” in the Patrick Brown mess. Here’s what he writes: “By the time Marie is done with you, you may be very much wondering whether you should have come forward as a “whistleblower.” You may be wondering whether any of it was worth it. You may be wishing you hadn’t been born.”


Here’s what Marie Henein said to students at the University of Windsor law school:

“The importance of developing your narrative starts from the moment the client walks into your office. It drives everything that you do, your analysis of the law, your comments to the media, your approach with experts and witnesses. It defines your cross-examination and your examination. Each question you ask, you have to advance your theory. Each witness and each exhibit, each conversation you have, is about advancing the fabric of the defence narrative."

When Henein managed to get charges of criminal negligence causing death and dangerous driving causing death against former Ontario attorney general Michael Bryant withdrawn in 2009, Bryant said “she seemed to channel Hannibal Lecter through her ability to find a person's deepest frailties and exploit them."

THIS is who Hockey Canada hired within hours of receiving a call from the alleged victim’s step-father.

If I were the alleged victim in this case, I’d refuse to speak to anyone from Henein-Hutchison LLP.

Hate to break it to you, but that's what all lawyers do.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

Most rape victims dont get paid, the criminals go to jail and that's it

They rarely go to jail.

 

[Drij]

Most rape victims dont get paid, the criminals go to jail and that's it

No, most times the person who filed the complaint loses the court case. The accused person usually gets off due to lack of evidence.

 

[99ovr]

I guess based on the responses nobody wants to see the victim paid, I would assume she'd prefer $20m over the players getting banned or go to jail. Either way if it turns out all the allegations are true, the players deserve the full punishment to the maximum extent whether it's being banned and/or jail time. I was merely suggesting a rational solution not an emotional one.

Lastly, we still need to conclude whether or not all of this is legit. I'm not joking but these kind of gang activities is actually extremely common and for anyone that thinks otherwise you don't have familiarity with junior hockey players or are deluded. If all of these gang activities were unconsensual you would see players from every CHL team go to jail every year. Not saying she's lying but we definitely can't come to conclusions yet.

It takes an extremely evil kind of person to do what she alleges and I'm not quite sure what makes the 2018 Canadian WJC more evil than other teams in the past. I hope for all parties involved that this was consensual.

They rarely go to jail.

My bad I meant to say if they're convicted they go to jail and the victim doesn't get money. Only if there's a settlement.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

How Hockey Canada used registration fees to build a fund to cover sexual-assault claims

Special multimillion-dollar fund financed by registration fees of players across the country used to settle abuse claims with minimal outside scrutiny

www.theglobeandmail.com

Hard to see HC not stay under tremendous scrutiny.

Obviously, the specific allegations of the London incident are horrific, however given the survivor's preference not to participate in a police investigation, the time passed since the incident, and the he said/she said element to it, a conviction would be next to impossible.

That said, HC clearly has issues that go well beyond one specific incident. The more that comes out the more it's clear they're going to rightfully stay a toxic brand for a long time.

 

[Dr Pepper]

"Guys this is becoming a serious problem......we should start pooling money to deal with these claims financially. Can't rock the boat, after all."

 

[joestevens29]

How Hockey Canada used registration fees to build a fund to cover sexual-assault claims

Special multimillion-dollar fund financed by registration fees of players across the country used to settle abuse claims with minimal outside scrutiny

www.theglobeandmail.com

Hard to see HC not stay under tremendous scrutiny.

Obviously, the specific allegations of the London incident are horrific, however given the survivor's preference not to participate in a police investigation, the time passed since the incident, and the he said/she said element to it, a conviction would be next to impossible.

That said, HC clearly has issues that go well beyond one specific incident. The more that comes out the more it's clear they're going to rightfully stay a toxic brand for a long time.

So I guess the fund does make sense as they are probably liable for a lot of people's actions, not just had the Junior A level.

I just question how they settle these suits so quickly.

 

[Masked]

More information about it in this article:

Canadian world junior player asked woman whether she had gone to police after alleged sexual assault - The Globe and Mail

Text messages between player, woman shown to The Globe and Mail by lawyers for seven unnamed members of Canada’s 2018 world junior hockey team

www.theglobeandmail.com

Assen na yo!

 

[1specter]

More information about it in this article:

Canadian world junior player asked woman whether she had gone to police after alleged sexual assault - The Globe and Mail

Text messages between player, woman shown to The Globe and Mail by lawyers for seven unnamed members of Canada’s 2018 world junior hockey team

www.theglobeandmail.com

Assen na yo!

Disgusting. I know the lawyers are doing their jobs but god do they seem scummy..

 

[PostBradMalone]

Ah yes, after sex, I totally coerce my partner into making Al Qaeda-style hostage videos at 4 AM to say it was consensual, and then harass them over text the next day asking them not to go to the cops. I then have my lawyer release said materials to the press but make sure my name isn’t mentioned. Who among us hasn’t done so?

(Hint if you have you’re probably a word that rhymes with mapist)

 

[Craigo85]

Raping someone is worse than not and no it's not close.

If you're going to be destroying someone's life it has to be entirely correct. That's the issue with the court of public opinion. Lastly if they are wrong in the accusations and its proven how much better or worse is it to accuse someone of something they haven't done and them be persecuted for or. What are the repercussions of that?

This needs to be done accurately. There can't be an in-between. The offenders should pay and pay dearly. But the innocent players should not simply be grouped in.

To put it more simply, who is more wrong:
Somebody who didn't stop something bad from happening and knew it was bad.
Somebody who did something bad but didn't think they were doing something bad.
There may be 2 different answers from a legal/moral perspective.

Assume the following happened:

1) The gang-bang or gang-rape happened. Lets say 8 guys participated and 6 left the room.
2) the woman was legally drunk, ie not able to give legal consent
3) the woman wasn't "black-out/passed-out drunk", as in she could have said she wanted this to happen while legally being impaired, ie all the things the defendants would say at the trial to justify their participation
4) some guys took #3 at face value and participated
5) some guys felt it was wrong and didn't think she could consent, so they left
6) for simplicity, assuming none of the 6 guys left just because they were turned off by the "gang-bang"

Some people would say that the guys that thought something was wrong and left because of it are more morally wrong (maybe legally too) than the guys who stayed. The guys that stayed may be in more legal trouble though. The 6 guys should have done more to convince the other guys that this wasn't right (or legal) and/or called the police or other help to stop the situation. At the very least they could have called somebody from team Canada to keep it quiet (ie to be "a good teammate") and still prevent the crime.

May be interesting from legal consequences too. If people left an alleged gang-rape and did nothing to stop it, maybe they could face more consequences that people who thought they participated in a consensual "gang-bang".

 

[JuJu Mobb]

Those 8 players will have to come out publicly and admit it.

Put an end to the ''who did it?" guessing game.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Those 8 players will have to come out publicly and admit it.

Put an end to the ''who did it?" guessing game.

Day by day, as one or two more throw their denials out, the list grows shorter. It’s going to be very obvious soon who the remaining players are. It tells you something that rather than getting ahead of it, they are choosing to remain anonymous and instead play ratf*** games through their lawyer.

If it was truly consensual, why are you hiding boys?

 

[Bevans]

After sex, I totally coerce my partner into making videos at 4 AM to say it was consensual, and then harass them over text the next day asking them not to go to the cops. I then have my lawyer release said materials to the press but make sure my name isn’t mentioned. Who among us hasn’t done so?

(Hint if you have you’re probably a word that rhymes with mapist)

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess one of these 8 guys has a lawyer for a dad.

 

[wetcoast]

That just didn't came out well.

Many victims refuse to participate in police investigations / judicial proceedings in sexual assault cases for a myriad of very good reasons.

I didn't think I should have had to explain this, but considering the amount of shitstains indulging in victim blaming in these threads, I probably should have.

That's fair enough yet the poster you are responding to is completely speculating as to the woman's actions and why she acted or didn't act in a particular way.

Wouldn't it be better if people sat back and let the process work itself out instead of people engaging in a witch-hunt?

 

[4thline]

"I am so sober, that’s why I can’t do this right now."
-said a completely sober person while thinking straight

 

[wetcoast]

We are now thre weeks away from the WJC, that will start august 9th in Edmonton. Something that's been on my mind is the total lack of reaction by the IIHF. Considering they've had no problem banning Russia and Belarus, the silence when it comes to covering a hockey organisation involved in shit like this is unecceptable.

It's well known that the IIHF is almost a Hockey Canada puppet and I know it's extremely complicated because the organisation that's been covering up sex crimes is hosting the event, but I still expected some kind of reaction.

I'm hoping at least some people in the crowd will point out the bullshit that is going on. The WJCs should absolutely not be business as usual.

Seriously you are going to equate what is happening in Ukraine to this situation in terms of culpability?

What happened in London is no doubt a serious matter and has gained the attention of the hockey world but why the false equivalencies is just to grandstand or what?

 

[PostBradMalone]

"I am so sober, that’s why I can’t do this right now."
-said a completely sober person while thinking straight

“I felt like I was taken advantage of”.

Hmm, what’s a synonym for that? It escapes me.

 

[4thline]

“I felt like I was taken advantage of”.

Hmm, what’s a synonym for that? It escapes me.

I simply can't understand how a competent lawyer thinks that those texts/video's as described are at all exonerating.