Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[caymanmew]

Globe and mail reporting that counsel for one group of players admitting that the event did occur but was consensual, another group that was in the room, left without taking part.

Presuming things happened as she said, it's pretty easy to infer that the second group had the moral judgement to at least be uncomfortable with what was happening, but not the courage to stop it. Step up now boys.

That might be reading into it a bit much. Not everyone is into a gang bang. Assuming this was consensual (which we obviously can't assume) it wouldn't be surprising to find a handful of guys were not interested in sharing a single woman with a bunch of other guys.

Even if it went as she said, the second group might not have stayed around long enough to witness what was really happening from a consent point of view.

 

[4thline]

That might be reading into it a bit much. Not everyone is into a gang bang. Assuming this was consensual (which we obviously can't assume) it wouldn't be surprising to find a handful of guys were not interested in sharing a single woman with a bunch of other guys.

Even if it went as she said, the second group might not have stayed around long enough to witness what was really happening from a consent point of view.

Fair, but then why would they have come to the room?

And maybe not, but if this gets to she said/ they said in court/a hearing a second group of "they" willing to speak to it not feeling "right", her seeming uncomfortable, her being three sheets to the wind, etc. would go a long way.

 

[Buck Naked]

If you're too drunk to consent, I am highly skeptical of your ability to identify the condition of your eyes regardless of how many mirrors are present.

Assen na yo!

Again. Why are you trying to cast doubt on the victim with your strange theories?

 

[Statto]

What? So having images or video of being in the vicinity of a victim or place of an alleged crime should be evidence of guilt? That’s not quite enough, thankfully.

I’m all for punishment for the guilty when that is proven, but we’re not there yet, and people shouldn’t be assumed guilty before it’s clear they are.

It doesn’t make them guilty but it can at least establish if they were in the building (opportunity). It also takes away the defence of ‘we were 5 miles away’. No one thing will proves anyone guilt short of a confession.

 

[Wackster]

So they “allegedly”, asked her , after a shower, to record a video saying it was consensual and that she was not drunk….

That’s going to be interesting, don’t know many people that make such a request after a sexual act

I know that Justin Bieber use to make girl sign a waiver before engaging to any sexual relation to be sure he wont get hit by false accusation

 

[Masked]

Again. Why are you trying to cast doubt on the victim with your strange theories?

It's not a strange theory to raise questions about things that don't make sense. Why are you using an appeal to motive ad hominem argument against me instead of focusing on my question?

Assen na yo!

Those that weren't were most likely on the London Knights.

Took place in the summer. I'd guess they were more likely London locals than members of the Knights.

Assen na yo!

 

[Statto]

Globe and mail reporting that counsel for one group of players admitting that the event did occur but was consensual, another group that was in the room, left without taking part.

Presuming things happened as she said, it's pretty easy to infer that the second group had the moral judgement to at least be uncomfortable with what was happening, but not the courage to stop it. Step up now boys.

Quite. They get no credit for not participating because that’s where the absolute minimum bar in humanity should be and IF this is true and they walked away without doing nothing they’re scum too. They were old enough to know better before anyone starts with the ‘they were only kids bs’.

 

[Buck Naked]

It's not a strange theory to raise questions about things that don't make sense. Why are you using an appeal to motive ad hominem argument against me instead of focusing on my question?

Assen na yo!

Because it's not strange that an intoxicated person is able to look herself in the mirror at some point during the evening and realize that her eyes are glassy!

 

[caymanmew]

Fair, but then why would they have come to the room?

And maybe not, but if this gets to she said/ they said in court/a hearing a second group of "they" willing to speak to it not feeling "right", her seeming uncomfortable, her being three sheets to the wind, etc. would go a long way.

Because someone said to / the group was going. It is unlikely those coming into the room knew a rape / gang bang was happening. Some might have but I'd assume many went with the group kind of thing. Once people were there they made their choice to opt-in or out of what was happening.

I am assuming this happened at a hotel many players were staying at so it would have been a few rooms over from where they were anyways?

 

[QJL]

I can’t quote everyone who responded, but every article I’ve read recently has said something to this effect:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/06/29/hockey-canada-lawsuit-tim-hortons/

“Corporations with ties to Hockey Canada, the sport’s national governing body, paused their sponsorships of the organization following its handling of sexual assault allegations against members of Canada’s 2018 world junior team”

Seems like maybe there are mixed reports all vs some players from that team. Sorry if I’m incorrect.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

That just didn't came out well.

Many victims refuse to participate in police investigations / judicial proceedings in sexual assault cases for a myriad of very good reasons.

I didn't think I should have had to explain this, but considering the amount of shitstains indulging in victim blaming in these threads, I probably should have.

Thanks for clarifying your position. Sorry I jumped at your post but there have been several people painting a pictuire of the victim as not cooperating and that is a very unfair characterization. It's exactly what the lawyers and team Canada are hoping for.

 

[MXD]

Thanks for clarifying your position. Sorry I jumped at your post but there have been several people painting a pictuire of the victim as not cooperating and that is a very unfair characterization. It's exactly what the lawyers and team Canada are hoping for.

No offense taken.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

Wonder how many more players will start to put out statements in the coming days. Every time someone denies being involved, while they could be lying, it places a larger spotlight on those who haven't spoken out. Those who haven't spoken out that weren't involved aren't going to love being grouped in here.

Hockey culture is so f***ing disgusting - time to clean house.

 

[Voight]

I know that Justin Bieber use to make girl sign a waiver before engaging to any sexual relation to be sure he wont get hit by false accusation

A lot of famous people do that. Need to cover your ass; plenty of people out there to try and make a buck off you.

 

[Voight]

I do hope none of the players who weren't involved get wrongfully accused, I've seen the Fantastic Lies 30 for 30 and it shows you just how bad false accusations can hurt people.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

We are now thre weeks away from the WJC, that will start august 9th in Edmonton. Something that's been on my mind is the total lack of reaction by the IIHF. Considering they've had no problem banning Russia and Belarus, the silence when it comes to covering a hockey organisation involved in shit like this is unecceptable.

It's well known that the IIHF is almost a Hockey Canada puppet and I know it's extremely complicated because the organisation that's been covering up sex crimes is hosting the event, but I still expected some kind of reaction.

I'm hoping at least some people in the crowd will point out the bullshit that is going on. The WJCs should absolutely not be business as usual.

 

[Darren McCord]

This is getting worse by the day. If they are agreeing to her claims but trying to say it was consensual that’s rough to hear.

I get people make descions to be involved in sexual activities like this but 8 male strangers in a room with you coercing you into it while drunk must be absolutely terrifying. I don’t think anyone would be in a stable mind.

 

[I am toxic]

We are now thre weeks away from the WJC, that will start august 9th in Edmonton. Something that's been on my mind is the total lack of reaction by the IIHF. Considering they've had no problem banning Russia and Belarus, the silence when it comes to covering a hockey organisation involved in shit like this is unecceptable.

It's well known that the IIHF is almost a Hockey Canada puppet and I know it's extremely complicated because the organisation that's been covering up sex crimes is hosting the event, but I still expected some kind of reaction.

I'm hoping at least some people in the crowd will point out the bullshit that is going on. The WJCs should absolutely not be business as usual.

They were able - among so much other fluff - to do a puff piece entitled "Memories that last a lifetime."

Huh.

I know someone else who will have memories that will last a lifetime.

And by memories, I mean nightmares.

Hockey. A culture of silence so strong, it's deafening.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Player agencies don't need to ask their clients because they already know. They were probably the first told by their clients the minute shit hit the fan. The agencies probably helped Hockey Canada settle with the young woman, which is the ONLY reason they haven't dropped their clients yet. They've hitched themselves to this wagon and are going to have to go all the way.

Hockey players of that age are idiots who can't pay a heating bill, so the rapists probably needed help from their agents to get the best legal help possible. There are most certainly videos too, because that's what douchebags of this generation do.

As I said a few weeks ago, everyone basically knows. Hockey Canada knows exactly who was in that room and (roughly) what they did. None of the players "cleared" lied about it, because the rapists are not denying they were with this woman. They're just pretending she consented to being bullied, spat on, demeaned and raped.

The scumbags are among the players that haven't been cleared yet. And based on the fact there are 14 names left but presumably only 8 rapists, you have to wonder what the other 6 are waiting for? Did they fail in any way to assist this woman while she was assaulted? Or something worse?

 

[BondraTime]

Colton Point wasn’t in the CHL he’s been cleared by that alone.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Colton Point wasn’t in the CHL he’s been cleared by that alone.

And Kyrou apparently wasn't even there.

 

[karhukissa]

Hockey culture is so f***ing disgusting - time to clean house.

*Canadian hockey culture.

 

[99ovr]

Again. Why are you trying to cast doubt on the victim with your strange theories?

Maybe it's possible that women lie. Not saying she is but I don't know what truly happened and neither do any of us

 

[99ovr]

In my opinion this is the most logical solution where everyone wins.

The 8 players involved are still allowed to play hockey but they're forced to pay 25% of their earnings to the victim and 25% to charitable foundations related to SA for the next 6-7 years, thus they will forfeit 50% of their earnings until the age of 30.

If the players are of high calibre, over the span of 6-7 years the victim will receive close to 20m and likewise will the foundations.

This should appease the public as if people truly care about the victim, they would happily be receptive to the idea of her becoming $20m richer and her and her family for the generations to come will never have to work again. If the players are permanently banned, she nor the foundations will receive money that is literally life changing.

I'm sure the players will jump at this opportunity as the alternative is a lifetime ban from the NHL and/or jail time.

This way the teams aren't punished for something they had no part of, the players receive public disgrace everywhere they go, they lose half of their income, the victim is more than set for life.

 

[caymanmew]

In my opinion this is the most logical solution where everyone wins.

The 8 players involved are still allowed to play hockey but they're forced to pay 25% of their earnings to the victim and 25% to charitable foundations related to SA for the next 6-7 years, thus they will forfeit 50% of their earnings until the age of 30.

If the players are of high calibre, over the span of 6-7 years the victim will receive close to 20m and likewise will the foundations.

This should appease the public as if people truly care about the victim, they would happily be receptive to the idea of her becoming $20m richer and her and her family for the generations to come will never have to work again. If the players are permanently banned, she nor the foundations will receive money that is literally life changing.

I'm sure the players will jump at this opportunity as the alternative is a lifetime ban from the NHL and/or jail time.

This way the teams aren't punished for something they had no part of, the players receive public disgrace everywhere they go, they lose half of their income, the victim is more than set for life.

Players would still be ostracized and rightfully so. Admitting to a gang rape is the end of their careers, no chance of redeeming themselves. The public would never accept an admitted rapist on their team.

Their best bet is to deny they were a part of it until a good enough source places them in the room. Then they say it was consensual. Short of their being video evidence, the players involved will never face punishment from the law, rape is far too difficult to prosecute and it has been years at this point making it much less likely.

Lastly, this path forces the victim into the public eye, which will lead her to experience the full toxicity of social media and possibly even real life. As horrible as the gang rape would have been for her, it is something she can work to move on from and become mentally ok again. It is her secret to share with those she is comfortable sharing with. What she will get in the public eye won't end, won't be escapable. It will bring those horrible memories back, it will leave her with new scars that affect her ability to live a normal life far more. She will have money but it won't buy her happiness.