Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[Korpse]

Hey if HC and all of hockey culture is representative and somehow accountable for 8 young men's actions then you might want to think how it compares to what is happening in Ukraine and the reasons behind it?

I think there's a strong case to be made that Hockey Canada and hockey culture is accountable for their actions. Accusations of this nature are not uncommon and nothing is ever done to discourage such actions from happening. In a way they foster an environment to allow it to happen.

 

[DingerMcSlapshot]

Should Canada be banned from the WJHC? I'm thinking so.....at least this next go round. I get the don't punish this team for anothers evils. But Team Canada is Team Canada. Something has to happen. This is one of the worst things ever for the hockey community in Canada. Some men's lives are going to change forever very soon.

 

[wetcoast]

Russian players - barred from playing hockey internationally, because of something that is unrelated to hockey

Canadian players - not barred from playing hockey internationally, because of something that is related to hockey.

Hey, if the Russian WJC players had all gang-raped a Ukrainian reporter I'd be with you 100%, ban them from the tourney.

But, that's not why they've been banned, now, is it?

Like I said it's a really weak and exhibit A for false equivalencies that was presented yet you and the other guy are doubling down and it's a really poorly thought out position and look.

We all know why Russia and Belarus have been barred fro the tournament and if you think the decision is wrong feel free to argue that point.

Also if you think Canada should be barred from international hockey feel free to argue that point but be prepared for the criticism and rightly so as it's not a very well thought out position IMO.

 

[Dr Pepper]

I think there's a strong case to be made that Hockey Canada and hockey culture is accountable for their actions. Accusations of this nature are not uncommon and nothing is ever done to discourage such actions from happening. In a way they foster an environment to allow it to happen.

 

[TheHelmet]

Not a lawyer

But the fact that so many players have video OF THE EVENT is bordering on revenge porn territory

revenge porn is a felony in the states

 

[wetcoast]

I think there's a strong case to be made that Hockey Canada and hockey culture is accountable for their actions. Accusations of this nature are not uncommon and nothing is ever done to discourage such actions from happening. In a way they foster an environment to allow it to happen.

You are right accusations of this nature are not uncommon, across all sectors of males in our society, it's not like it's only a hockey thing.

I also don't know what HC has done or not done (and probably 99% of posters here are in the same boat) about players conduct ect but it's obvious that everyone needs to work on this not just HC from the individuals, parents, teams, league and society in general.

One thing that I will point out is that HC did indeed start an investigation as soon as they heard about the allegations so that does seem like an accountable action don't you think?

 

[TheHelmet]

Who's paying these players lawyers

it better not be that secret fund they just found that Hockey canada has.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Some men's lives are going to change forever very soon.

They'll still have options

Former NHLer Reid Boucher signs in KHL despite sexual assault charges

Reid Boucher, a former New Jersey Devils draft pick, was found guilty of sexually assaulting a minor in 2011.

ca.sports.yahoo.com

 

[Dr Pepper]

You are right accusations of this nature are not uncommon, across all sectors of males in our society, it's not like it's only a hockey thing.

I also don't know what HC has done or not done (and probably 99% of posters here are in the same boat) about players conduct ect but it's obvious that everyone needs to work on this not just HC from the individuals, parents, teams, league and society in general.

One thing that I will point out is that HC did indeed start an investigation as soon as they heard about the allegations so that does seem like an accountable action don't you think?

Yep, they were so super-serious about their "investigation" that they made sure else would know about it for four years, using Canadian taxpayer money to keep the rape victim quiet.

Real pillars of morality, over there at Hockey Canada.

 

[Korpse]

You are right accusations of this nature are not uncommon, across all sectors of males in our society, it's not like it's only a hockey thing.

I also don't know what HC has done or not done (and probably 99% of posters here are in the same boat) about players conduct ect but it's obvious that everyone needs to work on this not just HC from the individuals, parents, teams, league and society in general.

One thing that I will point out is that HC did indeed start an investigation as soon as they heard about the allegations so that does seem like an accountable action don't you think?

I agree it's not exclusive to hockey and there's a lot that needs to be done to correct many issues. HC did start an investigation but it was the bare minimum and didn't seem like a genuine attempt to resolve the issue, more just an investigation to say they did it. I believe 12 or 13 players participated in that investigation. Take for example, the current investigation where players either participate or be barred from participating under HC. Of course that only came after public scrutiny.

 

[Bevans]

Not a lawyer

But the fact that so many players have video OF THE EVENT is bordering on revenge porn territory

revenge porn is a felony in the states

I have not heard that there is video of the event. Rather, two filmed statements by the victim.

Can you confirm whether that's what you're talking about?

 

[wetcoast]

Yep, they were so super-serious about their "investigation" that they made sure else would know about it for four years, using Canadian taxpayer money to keep the rape victim quiet.

Real pillars of morality, over there at Hockey Canada.

The investigation stopped because the woman didn't want to participate as did the police one.

Your first sentence doesn't exactly line up with the facts on the matter.

The settlement was also earlier this year not 4 years ago and typically settlements aren't paraded around publicly not matter what the issue.

HC also deals with hockey, so they use their lawyers to deal with legal matters as almost every organization out there.

 

[StevenF1919]

In my opinion this is the most logical solution where everyone wins.

The 8 players involved are still allowed to play hockey but they're forced to pay 25% of their earnings to the victim and 25% to charitable foundations related to SA for the next 6-7 years, thus they will forfeit 50% of their earnings until the age of 30.

If the players are of high calibre, over the span of 6-7 years the victim will receive close to 20m and likewise will the foundations.

This should appease the public as if people truly care about the victim, they would happily be receptive to the idea of her becoming $20m richer and her and her family for the generations to come will never have to work again. If the players are permanently banned, she nor the foundations will receive money that is literally life changing.

I'm sure the players will jump at this opportunity as the alternative is a lifetime ban from the NHL and/or jail time.

This way the teams aren't punished for something they had no part of, the players receive public disgrace everywhere they go, they lose half of their income, the victim is more than set for life.

"Rape is okay as long as the perpetrators are rich."

 

[red devil]

So what's the total list of players who said they definitely weren't a part of that group

its got to be down to about 11 or so players

According to this Toronto Star article 13 players have denied it either with a statement from them personally or by their representatives. There were 3 players not at the event. The following players have denied it or weren't there.

More players step forward in Hockey Canada sex assault investigation

Coyotes defenceman Connor Timmins is the 14th player from Canada’s 2018 world junior team of 22 to comment publicly. Some have proclaimed innocence. Most have promised co-operation.

www.thestar.com

Timmins
Dube
Clague
Bean
Hart
Point
Kyrou
Raddysh
Mete
Makar
Fabbro
Gladjovich
Foote

Edit: a 14th player had a statement released but didn't have a denial

 

[Hole in the Condon]

One thing that I will point out is that HC did indeed start an investigation as soon as they heard about the allegations so that does seem like an accountable action don't you think?

This is like when SIU does an investigation into a cop shooting an unarmed individual and finds the cop did nothing wrong. Always very credible and non-biased....

 

[Dr Pepper]

The investigation stopped because the woman didn't want to participate as did the police one.

Your first sentence doesn't exactly line up with the facts on the matter.

The settlement was also earlier this year not 4 years ago and typically settlements aren't paraded around publicly not matter what the issue.

HC also deals with hockey, so they use their lawyers to deal with legal matters as almost every organization out there.

The only reason any of us know about this case, is because a reporter brought it to light.

Hockey Canada would've been just fine keeping this whole debacle under wraps, and you know it.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Who's paying these players lawyers

it better not be that secret fund they just found that Hockey canada has.

The agency itself is probably flush with lawyers who can draft up C&Ds and vet PR statements, but civil/criminal defense is another ball game entirely. If even one of the John Does has made it big though- and there is a good chance one is already raking in millions- they have every reason to bankroll counsel for the others, because just one weak link in the group will end all of their careers, no matter what level they're playing at.

 

[wetcoast]

I agree it's not exclusive to hockey and there's a lot that needs to be done to correct many issues. HC did start an investigation but it was the bare minimum and didn't seem like a genuine attempt to resolve the issue, more just an investigation to say they did it. I believe 12 or 13 players participated in that investigation. Take for example, the current investigation where players either participate or be barred from participating under HC. Of course that only came after public scrutiny.

What do you think HC should have done with the initial investigation when the woman didn't want to be involved in the matter, or the London police for that matter?

There is no indication that their initial investigation wasn't genuine is there?

Hindsight and moral judgments are great but the timeline and real world legal matters exist as well.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

In my opinion this is the most logical solution where everyone wins.

The 8 players involved are still allowed to play hockey but they're forced to pay 25% of their earnings to the victim and 25% to charitable foundations related to SA for the next 6-7 years, thus they will forfeit 50% of their earnings until the age of 30.

If the players are of high calibre, over the span of 6-7 years the victim will receive close to 20m and likewise will the foundations.

This should appease the public as if people truly care about the victim, they would happily be receptive to the idea of her becoming $20m richer and her and her family for the generations to come will never have to work again. If the players are permanently banned, she nor the foundations will receive money that is literally life changing.

I'm sure the players will jump at this opportunity as the alternative is a lifetime ban from the NHL and/or jail time.

This way the teams aren't punished for something they had no part of, the players receive public disgrace everywhere they go, they lose half of their income, the victim is more than set for life.

This is one of the most insane posts i've yet to read on this website, that's saying a lot. I almost think it's satire?

 

[4thline]

There is no indication that their initial investigation wasn't genuine is there?

You don't hire Henein Hutchison to conduct a well meaning investigation, you do it cover your ass and /or go after somebody.

 

[PostBradMalone]

One thing that I will point out is that HC did indeed start an investigation as soon as they heard about the allegations so that does seem like an accountable action don't you think?

Probably not coincidentally, HC hired the law firm whose shady tactics in previous cases led to a reformation of rape victim shield laws in Canada. It would be like a dog kennel owner hiring Michael Vick to investigate whether they were guilty of animal abuse or not.

 

[wetcoast]

The only reason any of us know about this case, is because a reporter brought it to light.

Hockey Canada would've been just fine keeping this whole debacle under wraps, and you know it.

Sure that's how most of these cases work even if they are legal ones that are publicly available like actual criminal charges.

HC and the woman both settled and in the first article I read and many here have read this, for both parties that was the end of the matter and they agreed not to pursue it.

Also to your second point, that's how it works with most settlements both parties are usually barred from disclosing the contents of the settlement.

That's is the whole point of the settlement.

But that doesn't seem to fly in the court of public opinion and we all know that.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

You don't hire Henein Hutchison to conduct a well meaning investigation, you do it cover your ass and /or go after somebody.

Wetcoast was talking about the London police

 

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[Korpse]

What do you think HC should have done with the initial investigation when the woman didn't want to be involved in the matter, or the London police for that matter?

There is no indication that their initial investigation wasn't genuine is there?

Hindsight and moral judgments are great but the timeline and real world legal matters exist as well.

I understand the need to have a matter of fact approach, but I have a hard time evaluating what happened and believing HC did all that they could do in this situation, especially given the fact that they haven't exactly been transparent.