Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[bert]

That's fair enough yet the poster you are responding to is completely speculating as to the woman's actions and why she acted or didn't act in a particular way.

Wouldn't it be better if people sat back and let the process work itself out instead of people engaging in a witch-hunt?

No of course not. Way better to potentially ruin someone innocents life to feel better about your own moral high ground. Rather than letting professionals who do this for a living looking at the tangible facts of the case and the night in question.

Seriously you are going to equate what is happening in Ukraine to this situation in terms of culpability?

What happened in London is no doubt a serious matter and has gained the attention of the hockey world but why the false equivalencies is just to grandstand or what?

Dont bother he is out to lunch and has stated he knows exactly what happened as fact. Over compensating for something personal by the looks of it.

 

[The Kingslayer]

The whole making a video at 4 am about how the sex was consensual is a new one to me.

 

[Pink Mist]

Ah yes I too normally film my sexual partners asking them if it's consensual and text them afterwards asking if they went to the police and that there will be consequences if they do.

Totally normal things to do during/after consensual sex

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Ah yes I too normally film my sexual partners asking them if it's consensual and text them afterwards asking if they went to the police and that there will be consequences if they do.

Totally normal things to do during/after consensual sex

I’m just glad we have people here more concerned about the players than you know, the victim.

 

[PostBradMalone]

I simply can't understand how a competent lawyer thinks that those texts/video's as described are at all exonerating.

It’s got shades of Brock Turner for sure- the players just wanted some action, don’t you losers get it???

 

[wetcoast]

Ah yes I too normally film my sexual partners asking them if it's consensual and text them afterwards asking if they went to the police and that there will be consequences if they do.

Totally normal things to do during/after consensual sex

Obviously everyone makes the video with the acts to be taking place in advance right?

Or at least fills out the proper forms?

The spectrum of sexual relations between young people who don't know each other along with alcohol and other factors being present is indeed a vast one with many variables, not many of the outcomes are good though.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

The whole making a video at 4 am about how the sex was consensual is a new one to me.

It was in the original lawsuit.

 

[hockey20000]

so how many world juinor team members didnt come forward and denie it now?

 

[The Kingslayer]

It was in the original lawsuit.

Im aware im just saying the act of it is new to me.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Im aware im just saying the act of it is new to me.

Ok

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Those 8 players will have to come out publicly and admit it.

Put an end to the ''who did it?" guessing game.

I'm guessing you're not a lawyer, eh?

We've reached such an over-outrage point that we want players to potentially incriminate themselves without knowing any real details of their involvement.


Reporters reaching out to these guys' agents for statements...These guys are facing more scrutiny than most politicians and people in power do.

 

[iCanada]

I simply can't understand how a competent lawyer thinks that those texts/video's as described are at all exonerating.

I get the sense it's less about exonerating their client and more about intimidating victim, who was already reluctant to make things public, into not going forward with case by giving her an example of what it will be like.

Because yeah... the players look and sound guilty as f*** after that.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Seriously you are going to equate what is happening in Ukraine to this situation in terms of culpability?

What happened in London is no doubt a serious matter and has gained the attention of the hockey world but why the false equivalencies is just to grandstand or what?

I'd say it's a fair comparison, actually.

IIHF cracks down on Russian hockey federation, and by extension all the players involved, even though they have no role whatsoever in the ongoing war in Ukraine.

IIHF doesn't crack down on Canadian hockey federation, or any of the players involved, despite a growing pile of evidence that Hockey Canada has been covering up sexual assault allegations for years and one case in particular has sent their higher-ups running for cover.

I'd say one national hockey organization is in the wrong here, and it's not the Russians.

That said, I'd have to imagine the appetite for this year's World Juniors has to be at an all time low right now, eh? I feel for this year's crop of players.

TSN probably kicking themselves, too, knowing full well they're going to have to break from the usual chest-thumping bravado and at least ADDRESS that massive elephant in the room. Hockey Canada in shambles.

 

[StrangeVision]

More information about it in this article:

Canadian world junior player asked woman whether she had gone to police after alleged sexual assault - The Globe and Mail

Text messages between player, woman shown to The Globe and Mail by lawyers for seven unnamed members of Canada’s 2018 world junior hockey team

www.theglobeandmail.com

Assen na yo!

So they asked a drunk woman on video if she consented, made her shower afterwards, and then the next day tried to persuade her not to report what happened...yeah this all seems on the up and up. This was just cover up after cover up, the first one was the videos, the second one was having her shower after the assault, the third was the texting the following day, and the fourth was Hockey Canada.

They knew exactly what they were doing and they knew it was wrong, the fact that they felt the need to try to cover it up multiple times tells you all you need to know.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Seriously you are going to equate what is happening in Ukraine to this situation in terms of culpability?

What happened in London is no doubt a serious matter and has gained the attention of the hockey world but why the false equivalencies is just to grandstand or what?

I'm not equating anything with anything.

And dude? based on your history of posting shady apologist posts in this thread, you're not fooling anyone with your fake outrage.

Keep on fighting the good fight for the boys, "bro".

 

[Uncle Rotter]

I'd say it's a fair comparison, actually.

IIHF cracks down on Russian hockey federation, and by extension all the players involved, even though they have no role whatsoever in the ongoing war in Ukraine.

IIHF doesn't crack down on Canadian hockey federation, or any of the players involved, despite a growing pile of evidence that Hockey Canada has been covering up sexual assault allegations for years and one case in particular has sent their higher-ups running for cover.

I'd say one national hockey organization is in the wrong here, and it's not the Russians.

Should the IIHF have sanctioned USA Hockey over Reid Boucher?

 

[wetcoast]

I'd say it's a fair comparison, actually.

IIHF cracks down on Russian hockey federation, and by extension all the players involved, even though they have no role whatsoever in the ongoing war in Ukraine.

IIHF doesn't crack down on Canadian hockey federation, or any of the players involved, despite a growing pile of evidence that Hockey Canada has been covering up sexual assault allegations for years and one case in particular has sent their higher-ups running for cover.

I'd say one national hockey organization is in the wrong here, and it's not the Russians.

That said, I'd have to imagine the appetite for this year's World Juniors has to be at an all time low right now, eh? I feel for this year's crop of players.

TSN probably kicking themselves, too, knowing full well they're going to have to break from the usual chest-thumping bravado and at least ADDRESS that massive elephant in the room. Hockey Canada in shambles.

We are going to agree to disagree here as one is a monumentally greater evil and impact than the other one and just a huge example of false equivalencies.

 

[M88K]

Ah yes, after sex, I totally coerce my partner into making Al Qaeda-style hostage videos at 4 AM to say it was consensual, and then harass them over text the next day asking them not to go to the cops. I then have my lawyer release said materials to the press but make sure my name isn’t mentioned. Who among us hasn’t done so?

(Hint if you have you’re probably a word that rhymes with mapist)

Don't kink shame me

 

[Dr Pepper]

Should the IIHF have sanctioned USA Hockey over Reid Boucher?

Not too familiar with that one, but was there a history of cover-ups, hush money, and gang sexual assaults involved with that case too?

If so, then yes, probably.

We are going to agree to disagree here as one is a monumentally greater evil and impact than the other one and just a huge example of false equivalencies.

What's "monumentally evil" about teenage Russian hockey players just wanting to play in the tournament?

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Not too familiar with that one, but was there a history of cover-ups, hush money, and gang sexual assaults involved with that case too?

If so, then yes, probably.

17 year old player sexually abuses 12 year old daughter of billet family. USA Hockey moves him to stay with another family, continues to play with U-18 team

What's "monumentally evil" about teenage Russian hockey players just wanting to play in the tournament?

Do you feel the same way about South African athletes during Apartheid?

 

[wetcoast]

I'm not equating anything with anything.

Sure you did by mentioning the 2 countries and why the IIHF hasn't done anything to the upcoming WHJC.

But I guess your relationship to the facts is fleeting at times?

And dude? based on your history of posting shady apologist posts in this thread, you're not fooling anyone with your fake outrage.

Seriously, just because I don't agree with your jump to conclusions, not really follow the facts or the law then I'm an apologist?

I would be offended but your assertion isn't well thought (or backed up) out so I'm not.

The world isn't a black and white one it's a spectrum with huge shades of grey between the 2 opposite points.

Keep on fighting the good fight for the boys, "bro".

? Whatever.

Not too familiar with that one, but was there a history of cover-ups, hush money, and gang sexual assaults involved with that case too?

If so, then yes, probably.



What's "monumentally evil" about teenage Russian hockey players just wanting to play in the tournament?

Hey if HC and all of hockey culture is representative and somehow accountable for 8 young men's actions then you might want to think how it compares to what is happening in Ukraine and the reasons behind it?

Or maybe you haven't been following the news lately?

Furthermore the entre recent history of the way Russians deal with their sports internationally and things like cheating should perhaps alarm some people one would think.

 

[Dr Pepper]

17 year old player sexually abuses 12 year old daughter of billet family. USA Hockey moves him to stay with another family, continues to play with U-18 team


Do you feel the same way about South African athletes during Apartheid?

Re: Boucher, does USA Hockey have a history of covering up these incidents? Sliding taxpayer money to victims and their families to keep things under wraps, while pretending all is well?

And as for your second quote?

No.

Should I?

Also not really seeing the correlation there. Are you going to continually hold athletes responsible for the actions of their government? Or does this only apply to the Russian ones?

 

[Breakers]

So what's the total list of players who said they definitely weren't a part of that group

its got to be down to about 11 or so players

 

[Dr Pepper]

Sure you did by mentioning the 2 countries and why the IIHF hasn't done anything to the upcoming WHJC.

But I guess your relationship to the facts is fleeting at times?


Seriously, just because I don't agree with your jump to conclusions, not really follow the facts or the law then I'm an apologist?

I would be offended but your assertion isn't well thought (or backed up) out so I'm not.

The world isn't a black and white one it's a spectrum with huge shades of grey between the 2 opposite points.

? Whatever.



Hey if HC and all of hockey culture is representative and somehow accountable for 8 young men's actions then you might want to think how it compares to what is happening in Ukraine and the reasons behind it?

Or maybe you haven't been following the news lately?

Furthermore the entre recent history of the way Russians deal with their sports internationally and things like cheating should perhaps alarm some people one would think.

Russian players - barred from playing hockey internationally, because of something that is unrelated to hockey

Canadian players - not barred from playing hockey internationally, because of something that is related to hockey.

Hey, if the Russian WJC players had all gang-raped a Ukrainian reporter I'd be with you 100%, ban them from the tourney.

But, that's not why they've been banned, now, is it?

 

[didimentionlarseller]

the story does seem to be getting creepier by the day