Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[Uncle Rotter]

According to this Toronto Star article 14 players have denied it either with a statement from them personally or by their representatives. There were 3 players not at the event. The following players have denied it or weren't there.

More players step forward in Hockey Canada sex assault investigation

Coyotes defenceman Connor Timmins is the 14th player from Canada’s 2018 world junior team of 22 to comment publicly. Some have proclaimed innocence. Most have promised co-operation.

www.thestar.com

Timmins
Dube
Clague
Bean
Hart
Point
Kyrou
Raddysh
Mete
Makar
Fabbro
Gladjovich
Foote
Katchouk

You should re-read the statement on behalf of Katchouk

 

[wetcoast]

You don't hire Henein Hutchison to conduct a well meaning investigation, you do it cover your ass and /or go after somebody.

Most firms and organizations would actually and leave the criminal investigation to the police, that's how things work.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

According to this Toronto Star article 14 players have denied it either with a statement from them personally or by their representatives. There were 3 players not at the event. The following players have denied it or weren't there.

More players step forward in Hockey Canada sex assault investigation

Coyotes defenceman Connor Timmins is the 14th player from Canada’s 2018 world junior team of 22 to comment publicly. Some have proclaimed innocence. Most have promised co-operation.

www.thestar.com

Timmins
Dube
Clague
Bean
Hart
Point
Kyrou
Raddysh
Mete
Makar
Fabbro
Gladjovich
Foote
Katchouk

Several of those were just lawyers denying they did any "wrongdoing", which could easily just mean they were accused but the lawyer doesn't believe they committed any crimes. Take it with less than a grain of salt.

 

[wetcoast]

You don't hire Henein Hutchison to conduct a well meaning investigation, you do it cover your ass and /or go after somebody.

Most firms and organizations would actually and leave the criminal investigation to the police, that's how things work.

This is like when SIU does an investigation into a cop shooting an unarmed individual and finds the cop did nothing wrong. Always very credible and non-biased....

Do you mean this for SIU, not entirely familiar with the situation in Ontario but most people don't understand police shootings and the criminal standard to charge a police officer in one.

 

[MXD]

Re: Boucher, does USA Hockey have a history of covering up these incidents? Sliding taxpayer money to victims and their families to keep things under wraps, while pretending all is well?

Does USA Hockey even get taxpayer money?

 

[PostBradMalone]

Most firms and organizations would actually and leave the criminal investigation to the police, that's how things work.

Definitely not, nearly every organization hit with a scandal like this in the Me Too era has at some point retained an external firm to conduct their own investigation. You can view that with skepticism (they want to craft their own narrative, they want to limit culpability/liability, they want to assign blame to the fewest/lowest persons possible) or optimism (they do genuinely want to reform their practices) but it's not at all uncommon.

 

[TheHelmet]

I have not heard that there is video of the event. Rather, two filmed statements by the victim.

Can you confirm whether that's what you're talking about?

I dont know
Im just going by the latest article

 

[Dr Pepper]

Does USA Hockey even get taxpayer money?

They probably do but I have my doubts that they also set aside a certain amount, maybe in a file marked "Hush Money for Women That Our Players Rape".

Who knows, though.

 

[red devil]

You should re-read the statement on behalf of Katchouk

You're correct I will make and edit

 

[MXD]

TBF I don't quite know why that request hasn't been made at the earlier hearings.

 

[AvroArrow]

Should Canada be banned from the WJHC? I'm thinking so.....at least this next go round. I get the don't punish this team for anothers evils. But Team Canada is Team Canada. Something has to happen. This is one of the worst things ever for the hockey community in Canada. Some men's lives are going to change forever very soon.

Sadly I agree, this is disgusting. Took me a long time reading through some of the articles, they had their own separate 15M+ dollar fund for sexual assault allegations, on top of the millions they already pay their insurance company to handle sexual assault allegations. Why instead of letting their insurance company handle it and investigate the case and all it's details, did they decide to take 3.5M out of their "fund" to "settle" the case ? Clearly something to hide and clearly they know the players were in the wrong. If you deny any wrongdoing why are you now taking 3.5M dollars out of this "fund" they set up and giving it away, I mean the guys are innocent you claim right ? This is just absolutely disgusting and humiliating, as a man who supported hockey Canada this is just sickening.

They need to release the names, I don't buy this bullshit they don't know the names of who was involved.

 

[Bevans]

I dont know
Im just going by the latest article
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I think they're both videos of her acknowledging some form of consent.

They are not sex tapes.

 

[TheHelmet]

I think they're both videos of her acknowledging some form of consent.

They are not sex tapes.

This whole things sounds weird as hell, they filmed her acknowledging consent.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I wonder is this why Sam Steel wasn't qualifed and isn't signed? Teams want to make sure he wasn't a part of this

 

[MXD]

The statements on behalf of Katchouk and Raddysh are... like, totally pointless.

 

[Hole in the Condon]

Most firms and organizations would actually and leave the criminal investigation to the police, that's how things work.


Do you mean this for SIU, not entirely familiar with the situation in Ontario but most people don't understand police shootings and the criminal standard to charge a police officer in one.

Admittedly I'm a bit jaded as far as police goes as Ottawa police have had several controversial situations regarding unarmed people in custody being hurt or killed, but I just have a hard time giving credibility to any investigation being done by the overseeing body that never stands to gain anything positive by uncovering the truth. This is especially true in this scenario where HC only became more transparent after the public outrage.

 

[wetcoast]

Probably not coincidentally, HC hired the law firm whose shady tactics in previous cases led to a reformation of rape victim shield laws in Canada. It would be like a dog kennel owner hiring Michael Vick to investigate whether they were guilty of animal abuse or not.

Sure it would be exactly like that except it wouldn't.

I get that people , or at least some of them don't like certain criminal defense firms but in our justice systems the innocent are innocent until proven guilty and their are entitled to a legal defense.

Also in the article I read about the recent Supreme court ruling it is obviously going to lead to a lot of legal wrangling over time and has it's own issues as well and I'm not a lawyer and it's clear to see that the lawyers can and will (and should under our system) challenge it.

It might not be the perfect system but all legal systems are relative as they are run by humans and I think there are very few countries one would want to be criminally charged in other than Canada from a legal perspective.

The system is obviously better than the court of public opinion, anyways saying otherwise needs to check their motives and reasoning.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I wonder is this why Sam Steel wasn't qualifed and isn't signed? Teams want to make sure he wasn't a part of this

 

[AvroArrow]

This whole things sounds weird as hell, they filmed her acknowledging consent.

The victim said she consented with just the 1 player when she met him at a bar, they engaging sexually at which point he invited 7 other players that she did not consent to, and that's when the assault/abuse took place

Filming her after on video with her saying it's consensual is just weird. Who the f*** does that ?

 

[wetcoast]

Wetcoast was talking about the London police

I was actually talking about both groups but primarily both investigations hit the same wall with the victim not participating.

I also think that the police should be investigating criminal accusations and I think most would agree with this.

Also it was suggested up thread that HC had concealed or hid this for 4 years when the settlement was April 20th and the TSN article was May 26th this year.

 

[TheHelmet]

Filming her after on video with her saying it's consensual is just weird. Who the f*** does that ?

I agree
This whole thing is creepy as hell
filming somebody on a cell phone that you have their consent to me makes it appear more likely that they are guilty.

 

[waitin425]

The standard of proof in a criminal investigation by the local Police Service is totally different than the standard of proof in the Hockey Canada probe and quasi judicial bodies where this seems to be taking place. I would be surprised if any of the players are ever charged criminally in this investigation.

I have a feeling this probe is going to be directly into Hockey Canada's response, the money already paid out and the non-disclosure agreement.

I would expect sanctions for the involved players from Hockey Canada that are within their range of penalties. Bans from Hockey Canada and international competitions seems like the likely outcome. The NHL may issue some suspensions. That will be about it, sadly.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Some players outright say they weren't in the room or weren't even at the event, but the wording of some of those other statements sound a bit more lawyer-speak than "I wasn't involved in the incident". A lot of talk about cooperating with police and denials of wrongdoing, but no outright "I wasn't in that room or involved in it"

 

[DaveMatthew]

What an ugly situation. I feel for the victim.

But from a purely analytical point of view:

Based on current reporting, this is a case that would be incredibly difficult to prosecute criminally. Obviously, there may be more facts that haven't come out, but from what we know, I wouldn't expect this to lead to charges. Especially now that we're 4 years after the event, which was fuelled by alcohol even at the time.

It sounds like the victim took the best, most realistic route available to her - filing a civil complaint, where the burden of proof is much lower. She sought out damages from Hockey Canada, and was able to obtain a satisfactory resolution via a settlement.

The public can hate it, but that's simply the way the system works. And as callous as it sounds, a civil settlement is not an admission of guilt or wrongdoing from a legal perspective, so unless criminal charges are brought, the players involved are entitled to remain anonymous.

 

[PostBradMalone]

You should re-read the statement on behalf of Katchouk

That verbal bullshittery on his agent's behalf was later echoed by a couple reps from the other players, so it's clear they were working feverishly behind the scenes to present a united front. The lawyer for "the eight" alluded to this when they said they'd reached out to counsel for every other player on the roster, so you know a blanket denial was in the works early on. Unfortunately for them, however, Makar and a handful of others cucked them with their own independent statements a couple of weeks ago when this story first broke. That divide is only going to grow here on out.