Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault) PART 2

[Tad Mikowsky]

They can’t even spell introduce ffs.

 

[Zippity]

It is clear the executive and board of Hockey Canada must immediately resign and an interim agency appointed.

While the new agency must eventually determine what structures will rise out of the ashes.their first order of business must be to dismiss Henein Hutchison from this so-called investigation.


Henein Hutchison's purpose is to protect the failed Hockey Canada leadership. They answer to that failed Hockey Canada leadership. They blamed the victim for shutting down the so called investigarion, saying they couldn't interview players when in fact they interviewed ten of the nineteen players.

The law firm that did all that is the last law firm in the world that should be entrusted with any kind of investigation of this matter.

One even wonders if the Ontario Law Society or whatever should be investigating their conduct in this matter.

this same lawyer?

Rink rats on trial - Macleans.ca

www.macleans.ca

 

[AllDay28]

Hockey Canada is embarrassing.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

From all the testimony so far is it clear yet who tipped off John Doe 1 to put pressure on the 'alleged' victim via text messages to not proceed with her complaint?

This likely plays out a whole different way at the time of the incident if the police are allowed to investigate her complaint without that coercion

It's either someone at Hockey Canada or someone within the London Police

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Right now hockey Canada are the ones dragged in the mud (so far) they where left out dry to take the blame while the prospect that both the accuser\accused remain fully anonymous.

They are going on the offensive with that internal investigation and threatening ban, trying to protect themselves and change the narrative above all.

PR people doing PR things

 

[ORRFForever]

Hockey Canada is embarrassing.

It's not. It's a fine organization that made some BIG mistakes.

We ALL have skeletons and HC is no different.

 

[wetcoast]

We should not have deified these athletes. That’s what enabled this kind of behaviour. They get told they are special their whole lives which makes them become entitled.

Probably not but the length of these threads does show a very strong interest in hockey in Canada and this is a societal problem that has always been there.

People put on pedestals and worshipped rarely live up to the hype and some disappoint it's the human condition.

I also think sometimes people focus on the minority that stick out for the wrong reasons and forget the majority of hockey people who are good people.

 

[WarriorofTime]

It's not. It's a fine organization that made some BIG mistakes.

We ALL have skeletons and HC is no different.

I think they've forfeited a right to be called a "fine organization"

Some skeletons are a lot worse than others.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

Probably not but the length of these threads does show a very strong interest in hockey in Canada and this is a societal problem that has always been there.

People put on pedestals and worshipped rarely live up to the hype and some disappoint it's the human condition.

I also think sometimes people focus on the minority that stick out for the wrong reasons and forget the majority of hockey people who are good people.

I agree that most people are good. It’s one of my firm beliefs. Sometimes people will disappoint you but that’s just human

 

[ORRFForever]

I think they've forfeited a right to be called a "fine organization"

Some skeletons are a lot worse than others.

They've done a LOT of good work with young people for 54 years, WT. I choose to cut them some slack.

It's obviously time to make some changes and start implementing strict rules about the behaviour of anyone associated with Hockey Canada and the CHL...

1) NO more hazing - any hazing and you are gone.

2) ALL sexual assault allegation will be investigated by the police - no exceptions.

3) Beat into the kid's heads, from day 1, that anything they do can ruin their lives going forward - alcohol, drugs, sex. Explain they have amazing futures as long as they don't do something idiotic.

Show them "2018" and scare them straight - so to speak. Let them know they will NOT be bailed out if they do something wrong.

These kids aren't stupid. They work hard to be NHL players. They won't want to blow it.

 

[ORRFForever]

I agree that most people are good. It’s one of my firm beliefs. Sometimes people will disappoint you but that’s just human

Of course the vast majority are good. Unfortunately, there is always a BAD apple or two or three. Those apples can ruin the batch and need to be removed.

Team officials need to be able to spot these bad apples and act accordingly.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

Carcillo files proposed class-action lawsuit against CHL over hazing - TSN.ca

Suit alleges the Canadian Hockey League and its three major junior leagues have been complicit for decades in rampant hazing, bullying, and abuse of underage players by coaches, team staff and senior players, Rick Westhead writes.

www.tsn.ca

“During showers, rookies were required to sit in the middle of the shower room naked while the older players urinated, spat saliva and tobacco chew on them,” the 46-page statement of claim says. “At least once, the head coach walked into the shower room while this was occurring, laughed and walked out.”

“Rookies were repetitively hit on their bare buttocks with a sawed-off goalie stick, developing large welts and open sores, the lawsuit says.

“The injuries were so bad that they couldn’t sit down, even while attending local high school classes. They advised team staff of this abuse, which did not stop.”

 

[pcruz]

The question I want answered is how the alleged perpetrators thought it was ok to do this to a girl? Wouldn't an internal alarm bell go off that "This is wrong.". Like how do you not immediately know that even if she did give some kind of consent initially?

Plenty of willing young women out there, no need to all pile on this one girl, which I'd like to add is gross anyway.

If you read through these pages, you'll learn that peer pressure is so strong and unbreakable that people are perfectly willing to perform illegal activities and even self-mutilation in order to fit in.

Apparently, there is a whole generation whose parents never accosted their kids with:
"If your friends jumped off a bridge, would you jump too?"

The concepts of self-preservation, self-respect, self-confidence, legality, morality, decency, self-judgement don't exist for 14-20 year olds apparently, either.

I honestly don't know what world I lived in as a teenager because I was never put in a place where I had to forego all sense of respect and decency for myself or others, or where I felt like I was forced into performing criminal activities for fear of being ridiculed. All while being too afraid of going to any authorities.

 

[ORRFForever]

Carcillo files proposed class-action lawsuit against CHL over hazing - TSN.ca

Suit alleges the Canadian Hockey League and its three major junior leagues have been complicit for decades in rampant hazing, bullying, and abuse of underage players by coaches, team staff and senior players, Rick Westhead writes.

www.tsn.ca

“During showers, rookies were required to sit in the middle of the shower room naked while the older players urinated, spat saliva and tobacco chew on them,” the 46-page statement of claim says. “At least once, the head coach walked into the shower room while this was occurring, laughed and walked out.”

“Rookies were repetitively hit on their bare buttocks with a sawed-off goalie stick, developing large welts and open sores, the lawsuit says.

“The injuries were so bad that they couldn’t sit down, even while attending local high school classes. They advised team staff of this abuse, which did not stop.”

It's not hard to stop hazing. Tell the players that if they haze, IN ANY FORM, they will be permanently banned from the CHL/HC and lose the scholarships they've earned. Tell them they're behaviour will also be reported to the NHL when they are draft eligible.

Tell the coaches that if they see hazing and don't act, they will lose their jobs.

If a hard line is taken, hazing will end. They just have to enforce the rules evenly and consistently.

 

[Off Sides]

So they paid for a report which recommended those simple recommendations, that not only should have already been in place, yet that is still what they believe is going to build "trust" in them going forward?

 

[pcruz]

Carcillo files proposed class-action lawsuit against CHL over hazing - TSN.ca

Suit alleges the Canadian Hockey League and its three major junior leagues have been complicit for decades in rampant hazing, bullying, and abuse of underage players by coaches, team staff and senior players, Rick Westhead writes.

www.tsn.ca

“During showers, rookies were required to sit in the middle of the shower room naked while the older players urinated, spat saliva and tobacco chew on them,” the 46-page statement of claim says. “At least once, the head coach walked into the shower room while this was occurring, laughed and walked out.”

“Rookies were repetitively hit on their bare buttocks with a sawed-off goalie stick, developing large welts and open sores, the lawsuit says.

“The injuries were so bad that they couldn’t sit down, even while attending local high school classes. They advised team staff of this abuse, which did not stop.”

Wait, is this what people consider Hazing?

Because all I read there is:

Players were forced to endure criminal punishment and torture.

What f***ing kind of people hear of this and think: "yup, sounds good to me".

Hazing is supposed to be shit like putting shaving cream in the shoes, hands in a bowl of water when someone falls asleep, painting a dick on the forehead of someone who fell asleep, permanent marker Pen 15 on the arms, caramel onion instead of apples, honey on plastic wrap to the face followed by icing sugar/flour, hiding someone's keys/books/shoes/clothes, etc....

 

[Pink Mist]

It's not. It's a fine organization that made some BIG mistakes.

We ALL have skeletons and HC is no different.

If you consider all of this *waves at multiple sexual assault allegations, secret hush funds, systematic brushing under the rug* comparable to skeletons you and I have in our closet, I'm really curious whats in your closet.

Because nothing I have is in the same galaxy as this

 

[ORRFForever]

Wait, is this what people consider Hazing?

Hazing is supposed to be shit like putting shaving cream in the shoes, hands in a bowl of water when someone falls asleep, painting a dick on the forehead of someone who fell asleep, permanent marker Pen 15 on the arms, caramel onion instead of apples, honey on plastic wrap to the face followed by icing sugar/flour, hiding someone's keys/books/shoes/clothes, etc....

That's the problem. It starts with covering someone with shaving cream and it snow balls. Next thing you know, you get into forms of torture and cruelty. It also creates young players who look for revenge when they get older. That's why there should be ZERO TOLERANCE.

 

[Craigo85]

I'm not trying to give these hockey organizations a pass ... But shouldn't a little bit of the focus from these hearings be on the failings of the criminal justice system to do anything about these alleged crimes?

Or do the politicians have a conflict here because they fund some of those institutions and make the laws?

Like why is hockey Canada or the Q the first place people go to with these complaints. I know there's a reluctance of victims to go to police and there is a low conviction rate, but that seems like something they should be having hearings on too.

 

[ORRFForever]

If you consider all of this *waves at multiple sexual assault allegations, secret hush funds, systematic brushing under the rug* comparable to skeletons you and I have in our closet, I'm really curious whats in your closet.

Because nothing I have is in the same galaxy as this

Whatever.

 

[ORRFForever]

The tools are in place too ensure players act properly, they just have to be enforced...

If players know that there will be consequences, they will not act improperly. The CHL and HC just need to take a hard line and be consistent.

 

[Pink Mist]

Whatever.

Please explain to me how Hockey Canada is a fine organization given all of what's happening out of sight

 

[ORRFForever]

Please explain to me how Hockey Canada is a fine organization given all of what's happening out of sight

Go away, please.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Wait, is this what people consider Hazing?

Because all I read there is:

Players were forced to endure criminal punishment and torture.

What f***ing kind of people hear of this and think: "yup, sounds good to me".

Bonds teams together, apparently.

 

[ORRFForever]

At the end of the day, this investigation will be a positive for Hockey Canada and the CHL. Rules will be set and they will have to be obeyed. If not, put someone in place who will enforce the rules.

If the players are taught respect from day one, and the generation after that are taught respect, it will eventually raise all boats.

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I am off for some exercise and to not think about this ugliness.

I will finish by saying I am disappointed with Hockey Canada and the CHL but I am NOT willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater. We just need to fix what is broken so let's do that.