Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault) PART 2

[TK 421]

The question I want answered is how the alleged perpetrators thought it was ok to do this to a girl? Wouldn't an internal alarm bell go off that "This is wrong.". Like how do you not immediately know that even if she did give some kind of consent initially?

Plenty of willing young women out there, no need to all pile on this one girl, which I'd like to add is gross anyway.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

The question I want answered is how the alleged perpetrators thought it was ok to do this to a girl? Wouldn't an internal alarm bell go off that "This is wrong.". Like how do you not immediately know that even if she did give some kind of consent initially?

Plenty of willing young women out there, no need to all pile on this one girl, which I'd like to add is gross anyway.

I alluded to this earlier in the thread. Peer pressure is massive. I’m fairly sure that these players are being called [mod] slurs if they don’t participate. It’s disgusting how sexual assault is a bonding activity. We saw it with Kyle Beach, we didn’t know what he was going through at the time and we labeled him a bust. If you question anything, you’re called a rat.

 

[Pink Mist]

See, replacing the board and executive leadership with a more diverse group of individuals and ensuring that their primary mandate is "player and community safety" is a tangible suggestion. And I agree, that should be done.

But that's not "burning it down", nor do I think it will solve everything, or even come close to solving everything.

No. I mean that Hockey Canada needs to be abolished. I don't think that any victim will feel comfortable approaching them with allegations even if there is a new executive team or policies.

 

[Zippity]

How this never gets brought up is beyond me. It’s been this way for longer than I can even remember, and McCurdie doesn’t even have to declare a conflict of interest because he is (or was until December 2021) an employee, not a Board member.

How this never gets brought up is beyond me. It’s been this way for longer than I can even remember, and McCurdie doesn’t even have to declare a conflict of interest because he is (or was until December 2021) an employee, not a Board member.

 

[I am toxic]

I find it harder to support and cheer for this sport, especially at the Junior level. That Twitter thread in the OP really hit hard.

The kids I briefly coached as 7-8 year olds, a few are now in the WHL, several are getting drafted into the NHL, one of them just added to Canada's World Junior summer camp roster. Others are in BCHL getting ready for NCAA, some are in Junior A, Junior B.

I am saddened by what I suspect they face. I cling to the belief that the values that were instilled in them as youngsters outside of hockey - and a few of us within it - have served them well and they are able to navigate the minefield that is the locker room - bonding with the team while fending off, minimizing, mitigating and reducing the mysoginistic homophobic <insert other here> bro shit. In some cases, I know the coach personally, and gain some measure of reassurance from that. Otoh, some of the other coaches . . .

Hockey Canada, the CHL, BC Hockey - they have all failed. Utterly and completely. That I am saddened for these kids in 2022, when those organizations have had decades to develop a healthy culture, says it all.

And they can't let it go. New blood is clearly needed. It was clear two decades ago.

 

[Zippity]

Hockey Canada CFO Brian Cairo on why the organization decided to settle with the woman who alleged a 2018 sexual assault: "We didn't know all the details of the night, but we did believe harm was caused."

 

[TK 421]

I alluded to this earlier in the thread. Peer pressure is massive. I’m fairly sure that these players are being [mod] slurs if they don’t participate.

Yeah I'm sure you're right, which is just awful. I just can't wrap my head around one of them not showing some character and concern for this young woman and saying, "No guys, this is wrong and I don't want any part of it."

Then asking her if she'd like an escort out of there most importantly. Just awful all the way around.

 

[DaveMatthew]

No. I mean that Hockey Canada needs to be abolished. I don't think that any victim will feel comfortable approaching them with allegations even if there is a new executive team or policies.

What do you mean by abolished?

Abolished as in there should be no federally funded national governing body for hockey in Canada (maybe each province should have their own body that's completely independent), or should the executive team be replaced, the policies be revamped, and the name be changed?

Because the latter isn't abolishing Hockey Canada.

Maybe there should be two distinct organizations:

One that oversees all amateur hockey activities within Canada and is not concerned with competitiveness, and a separate entity that's a member of the IIHF and focuses on the "big" tournaments (WJC, WC, Olympics, etc). And a player has to remain in good standing with Organization A to be a part of Organization B. That way, hopefully, "he's really good and helps us win" isn't a consideration when investigating or punishing claims of abuse.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

Yeah I'm sure you're right, which is just awful. I just can't wrap my head around one of them not showing some character and concern for this young woman and saying, "No guys, this is wrong and I don't want any part of it."

Then asking her if she'd like an escort out of there most importantly. Just awful all the way around.

Absolutely agree with you. The lack of empathy, humanity and character shown by these guys who are held up as role models is disgusting

 

[Kshahdoo]

I love it. When Russian kids talked about what an abusive hell the CHL was nobody gave a f***. But when it comes to a Canadian girl everything has changed of course. Everything you need to know about NA...

 

[MXD]

I love it. When Russian kids talked about what an abusive hell the CHL was nobody gave a f***. But when it comes to a Canadian girl everything has changed of course. Everything you need to know about NA...

What's the actual problem with that? Be specific. Are you implying that the Russian players should've been believed specifically because they were Russians, or that the girl shouldn't have been believed specifically because she was the Girl? Or both?

 

[Gainesvillain]

No. I mean that Hockey Canada needs to be abolished. I don't think that any victim will feel comfortable approaching them with allegations even if there is a new executive team or policies.

Anyone who believes they are a victim of an actual crime should not be calling Hockey Canada in the first place. They should be calling the police.

If they have a good lawyer, they can sue Hockey Canada for $$$$ later on, I guess.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Prejudice is when you pre-judge someone without cause to do so.

If your entire decision to not hire someone is because of a circumstance that the person has no control over, and nothing that he/she has done wrong, then you're acting in a prejudiced manner.

That person may or may not have done anything wrong, but your decision to not hire him/her was determined solely by your conviction that there was wrongdoing without confirmation.

That's because you have a elastic and twisted definition of what is "wrong".

Contrary to you assertions, you don't need to do something illegal to do something wrong. Refusing to help in investigations that surround a gut-wrenching gang rape IS wrong. We know who offered help and who refused. There are people who helped and there are people who didn't. That's proven.

You seem to think only proven illegal activity can cost you a job or a situation. It is not a the case. If you post on your public blog that you just went to Europe and found all men over there looked like revulsive wimps, or that you hope the US borders are reinforced because you find south americans are untrustworthy, you're bordering on forms of hate speech but probably not enough to be charged with anything in Canada.

However, an organization or employer is perfectly within their rights to consider that they do not want to associate with you in any way because they do not share those values. It's perfectly OK to suspend or ban players who bluntly refuse to help in sexual assault cases, until it can be made clear 100% that they had damn good reasons not to cooperate.

I think you should stop always focusing on legal matters in this terrible tragedy. Especially since it's obvious you're terrible at interpreting the law in general. It's been one reply after another of people who have had to correct how you minsinterpret everything. There is a limit to how much misinformation one can spread on such a topic.

 

[57special]

I love it. When Russian kids talked about what an abusive hell the CHL was nobody gave a f***. But when it comes to a Canadian girl everything has changed of course. Everything you need to know about NA...

Oh, please... poor Russian victims? Give us a f***ing break.

 

[Zippity]

Anyone who believes they are a victim of an actual crime should not be calling Hockey Canada in the first place. They should be calling the police.

If they have a good lawyer, they can sue Hockey Canada for $$$$ later on, I guess.

Wth is HC paying out claims for players in the first place. It shouldn’t be part of the insurance.

 

[I am toxic]

I love it. When Russian kids talked about what an abusive hell the CHL was nobody gave a f***. But when it comes to a Canadian girl everything has changed of course. Everything you need to know about NA...

Lots of Canadian kids have talked about what an abusive hell the CHL is - and they faced blacklisting here in NA, where going back to Russia and playing in leagues there was not a realistic option for them.

Everything changed because people like Rick Westhead - part of an institution within a democracy called the free press - were able to get a copy of a statement of claim about an alleged gang rape involving people who literally represent Canada, wearing the Maple Leaf in international competition. Had the girl been a visiting Russian girl, the national outrage and demands for change would be just as loud. Hell, it might even be a Canadian-Russian girl, we don't know her identity. It doesn't effing matter.

Whatever nation the girl was from, the outrage and demands for change would be just as loud.

 

[robertmac43]

Good on him for speaking out. Its only a couple years ago we had the Eric Guest story come out of Kitchener. My guess is thats not the last incident of hazing we hear about

 

[Deuce22]

Well, "morally correct" should be the goal.

It's why I completely disagree with settlements in regards to sexual assault suits.
Nobody wins.
Nobody is made whole.
Nobody is punished for the crime, or absolved of the same.

I see everyone acting in a slimy way when monetary values are put on the injuries sustained from alleged sexual assault cases (including the plaintiffs for accepting money to allow the case to die quietly).

Except who decides what is "morally correct?" Hockey Canada? Internet detectives? Politicians? Everyone (I would hope) agrees that rape is morally wrong. But not everyone agrees about what should happen to someone who is accused of rape, but not convicted.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I find it harder to support and cheer for this sport, especially at the Junior level. That Twitter thread in the OP really hit hard.

I've actually struggled with this for a long time (cheering for people that may be the kind of people I hate). I've always justified it in my mind by hoping that most guys that make it to the NHL have their head on straight and aren't one of these pieces of trash.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

I've actually struggled with this for a long time (cheering for people that may be the kind of people I hate). I've always justified it in my mind by hoping that most guys that make it to the NHL have their head on straight and aren't one of these pieces of trash.

I still firmly believe that most people are good. Just don’t idolize them and tell your kids to not idolize humans because we’re prone to being bad.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Wth is HC paying out claims for players in the first place. It shouldn’t be part of the insurance.

If you're talking about 2018, it's because it happened at a Hockey Canada event.

 

[I am toxic]

It is clear the executive and board of Hockey Canada must immediately resign and an interim agency appointed.

While the new agency must eventually determine what structures will rise out of the ashes.their first order of business must be to dismiss Henein Hutchison from this so-called investigation.


Henein Hutchison's purpose is to protect the failed Hockey Canada leadership. They answer to that failed Hockey Canada leadership. They blamed the victim for shutting down the so called investigarion, saying they couldn't interview players when in fact they interviewed ten of the nineteen players.

The law firm that did all that is the last law firm in the world that should be entrusted with any kind of investigation of this matter.

One even wonders if the Ontario Law Society or whatever should be investigating their conduct in this matter.

 

[robertmac43]

I've actually struggled with this for a long time (cheering for people that may be the kind of people I hate). I've always justified it in my mind by hoping that most guys that make it to the NHL have their head on straight and aren't one of these pieces of trash.

I resonate with this for sure. I try to give players the benefit of the doubt but that has proven to be risky.

Its why I liked Hyman and Campbell so much. Seemed genuine nice guys.

 

[brentashton]

HC can not come out of this intact or with their leadership in place. It would be incomprehensible for either to happen. I had 3 kids go through hockey over the years (1 boy, 2 girls), their should be a class action raised to sue them for misleading use of registration funds. What a disgusting org and even more disgusting “leadership” and I apply that term with great hesitation. SMH.

 

[Zippity]