Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault) PART 2

[Zippity]

The only times Hockey Canada would have liability for players would be at Hockey Canada events. Opportunities for liability for coaches and administrators would be greater.

It helps that the Vp of risk management at Hockey canada daughter works as the claims manager at the insurance company. All one happy family.

They were asked today about bonuses. How about commission?

 

[WarriorofTime]

Victim blaming is not what you think it is:

Victim blaming is when you claim that a woman was asking to be raped because of the clothes she wore.

Asking why someone would sexually degrade themselves in front of others, not forcibly, and then not report that act to the authorities is not blaming.
The answer to that kind of peer pressure is "Go f*** yourselves, I'm not shoving anything up anywhere".

You are asking why somebody allowed themselves to be sexually assaulted?

You are then stating what you would do in a situation if you were placed in a situation that it sounds like you were fortunate enough to never be in.

The whole goal should be to ensure that nobody else has to go through that situation either.

 

[DaveMatthew]

The only times Hockey Canada would have liability for players would be at Hockey Canada events. Opportunities for liability for coaches and administrators would be greater.

Sure. But the narrative that's been presented in the media is that "Hockey Canada has a slush fund it uses to silence female victims who've been assaulted by their male players." And while those cases clearly occurred, they're not the majority.

It seems like this fund was used much more to compensate players who were under their purview that Hockey Canada failed to protect.

 

[pcruz]

You are asking why somebody allowed themselves to be sexually assaulted?

You are then stating what you would do in a situation if you were placed in a situation that it sounds like you were fortunate enough to never be in.

The whole goal should be to ensure that nobody else has to go through that situation either.

I asked why someone would have done that to themself.
I asked why that someone didn't report it to the authorities.

If the goal is to ensure that nobody else goes through that situation, I'd argue that not doing the actions requested and instead, going to the authorities would have much better success than just going along with the peer pressure as that has been called.

 

[Pink Mist]

Sure. But the narrative that's been presented in the media is that "Hockey Canada has a slush fund it uses to silence female victims who've been assaulted by male players." And while those cases clearly occurred, they're not the majority.

I mean they do have a slush fund that silences female victims because they did just that... so the narrative isn't wrong

It's also not a surprising statement considering the other high profile case of SA in Hockey Canada was Graham James

And I don't think a slush fund for coaches, staff, or other players assaulting players is really much better. And players can also be women/girls

 

[canucksfan]

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

I asked why someone would have done that to themself.
I asked why that someone didn't report it to the authorities.

If the goal is to ensure that nobody else goes through that situation, I'd argue that not doing the actions requested and instead, going to the authorities would have much better success than just going along with the peer pressure as that has been called.

Why don’t they report to the authorities?

Because there’s some in law enforcement that are more concerned with the accused being tarnished reputation wise than helping the victim.

 

[Foppberg]

I find it harder to support and cheer for this sport, especially at the Junior level. That Twitter thread in the OP really hit hard.

All sports really. There's a dark underbelly to a lot of shit that we don't realize.

 

[ORRFForever]

One hockey game, I took a shot to the foot and it really hurt. Then later in the game I got slashed there. Hurt even more. My foot was re-traumatized. In both instances, there was no intent to injure me, it was purely accidental.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

I have a solution for this type of hazing:

Don't f***ing Do It
Go to the cops and report it, and then don't do it.

You make it seem like there is no alternative to blindly following these kinds of requests.

"They're going to make fun of me if I don't do this stupid and potentially criminal act where I may hurt myself, or end up in jail"....yes that is a strong reason for doing such a thing.

You’re moving the goalposts. You said that stuff is just as despicable as someone being made to foot the bill at dinner. Which is not only a crazy statement, but a slap in the face to the victims.

You’re trying to put all of these victims through your own, seemingly, macho man lens. It may come as a shock, but not everyone is as “courageous” as you are when discussing a situation that you yourself said you’ve never personally been in.

For some bewildering reason you’re trying to boil an incredibly complex social issue down to “well shoulda said no and called cops”. I don’t understand why anyone who isn’t a perpetrator of severe hazing is trying so desperately to excuse and minimize it.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

From a Hockey Canada perspective?

Integrity.

From a victim's perspective?

Justice.

Waugh was referring to CHL

 

[DaveMatthew]

I mean they do have a slush fund that silences female victims because they did just that... so the narrative isn't wrong

It's also not a surprising statement considering the other high profile case of SA in Hockey Canada was Graham James

And I don't think a slush fund for coaches, staff, or other players assaulting players is really much better. And players can also be women/girls

It isn't better, at all.

There are clearly big problems that need to be solved, so it's important to be very specific about what the problems are. Otherwise, how can you tackle them? They'll all require different solutions.

"Burn it all down and start again" is not a solution. It's an expression of outrage, which is fine, but it won't get anyone anywhere.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I asked why someone would have done that to themself.
I asked why that someone didn't report it to the authorities.

If the goal is to ensure that nobody else goes through that situation, I'd argue that not doing the actions requested and instead, going to the authorities would have much better success than just going along with the peer pressure as that has been called.

they didn't do it to themselves... a group of teammates forced them do it. "why didn't they fight back?" "why didn't they report it?" This is victim-blaming, you are holding the victim to be at least partially at fault for the harm that occurred to them.

 

[Pink Mist]

It isn't better, at all.

There are clearly big problems that need to be solved, so it's important to be very specific about what the problems are. Otherwise, how can you tackle them? They'll all require different solutions.

"Burn it all down and start again" is not a solution. It's an expression of outrage, which is fine, but it won't get anyone anywhere.

Burn it all down absolutely is part of the solution because based on this testimony I don't think you can trust or have faith in Hockey Canada as an organization to end their culture of silence and sweeping things under the rug

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Burn it all down absolutely is part of the solution because based on this testimony I don't think you can trust or have faith in Hockey Canada as an organization to end their culture of silence and sweeping things under the rug

You trust the CHL?

 

[robertmac43]

All sports really. There's a dark underbelly to a lot of shit that we don't realize.

For sure! Issues all around. That being said I find Hockey has the most institutionalized issues when it comes to Sexual Assault.

 

[Pink Mist]

You trust the CHL?

I don't trust any of them

 

[Dicky113]

4 sexual assaults by one person.

Covering for a serial rapist, holy f***. This organization is rotten

Not sure it means covering for him. Could just mean there was 4 uninsured claims that amounted to 1M. Graham James maybe (perhaps the 1M is the amount over the insurable limit). How many cases were brought against James? No idea what this means until details are released, but I highly doubt this is a serial rapist! Feels like a coach with multiple incidents that came to light at the same time.

At any rate, it’s all rotten to the core and this shit has been going on at all levels of competitive hockey since I was a child (40 years ago) so long since time we burn it to the ground and start teaching these kids they are not gods. For f***s sakes, these are our sisters, mothers and daughters, how we got to a place in society where this kind of thing goes on is just mind boggling. We need to teach our kids to protect and respect women.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Burn it all down absolutely is part of the solution because based on this testimony I don't think you can trust or have faith in Hockey Canada as an organization to end their culture of silence and sweeping things under the rug

"Burn it all down" is a statement that makes people feel good, but it's not an actionable solution. What does it mean?

Is it replacing the board and executive leadership team? What about all of the organizational staff (the lawyers, the accountants, the PR execs) that have worked there for years? What about the coaches? What about all of the existing players who've grown up within the culture? What about the parents who've put their kids on a pedestal and helped establish the culture? What about the media that's been front and center with the "hockey players are different" trope for the last 75 years? What about the grown adult fans who are willing to spend hundreds of dollars on tickets to go see tournaments like the WJC and freak out when the 16 and 17-year-old kids don't play up to their expectations? What about NHL teams that give these kids millions of dollars and cater to their every whim? What about the fans who, even after players are accused of atrocious behaviour (see: Patrick Kane, Drew Doughty, Evander Kane), accept them back with open arms because they can score in the playoffs?

 

[BadgerBruce]

It helps that the Vp of risk management at Hockey canada daughter works as the claims manager at the insurance company. All one happy family.

They were asked today about bonuses. How about commission?

How this never gets brought up is beyond me. It’s been this way for longer than I can even remember, and McCurdie doesn’t even have to declare a conflict of interest because he is (or was until December 2021) an employee, not a Board member.

 

[4thline]

"Burn it all down" ..... What does it mean?

To me it starts with executive and board leadership, with their replacements being tasked with taking a good hard look at the combo of the relationship with the CHL, the U17-U21 Junior model, and the Free Agent/ Draft travel model

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Hockey Canada paid around 1 million for one guy on four different occasions.

Can’t wait to see how the usual suspects spin this.

Or four different victims. When abuse is revealed, other historic abuse is often also revealed.

 

[Pink Mist]

"Burn it all down" is a statement that makes people feel good, but it's not an actionable solution. What does it mean?

Is it replacing the board and executive leadership team? What about all of the organizational staff (the lawyers, the accountants, the PR execs) that have worked there for years? What about the coaches? What about all of the existing players who've grown up within the culture? What about the parents who've put their kids on a pedestal and helped establish the culture? What about the media that's been front and center with the "hockey players are different" trope for the last 75 years? What about the grown adult fans who are willing to spend hundreds of dollars on tickets to go see tournaments like the WJC and freak out when the 16 and 17-year-old kids don't play up to their expectations? What about NHL teams that give these kids millions of dollars and cater to their every whim? What about the fans who, even after players are accused of atrocious behaviour (see: Patrick Kane, Drew Doughty, Evander Kane), accept them back with open arms because they can score in the playoffs?

What about them? I don't think you understand that it is clear that the rot starts from the top and has trickled down to the grassroots. A fundamentally new organization is needed

 

[Dicky113]

"Burn it all down" is a statement that makes people feel good, but it's not an actionable solution. What does it mean?

Is it replacing the board and executive leadership team? What about all of the organizational staff (the lawyers, the accountants, the PR execs) that have worked there for years? What about the coaches? What about all of the existing players who've grown up within the culture? What about the parents who've put their kids on a pedestal and helped establish the culture? What about the media that's been front and center with the "hockey players are different" trope for the last 75 years? What about the grown adult fans who are willing to spend hundreds of dollars on tickets to go see tournaments like the WJC and freak out when the 16 and 17-year-old kids don't play up to their expectations? What about NHL teams that give these kids millions of dollars and cater to their every whim? What about the fans who, even after players are accused of atrocious behaviour (see: Patrick Kane, Drew Doughty, Evander Kane), accept them back with open arms because they can score in the playoffs?

You burn down hockey Canada for sure. Then the new blood in there (which should include people that aren’t just old white men) need to identify a plan for teaching kids at a grass roots level what kind of behavior is expected of them. I mean they tore it down once when we were losing in big tournaments to improve play; I would think tearing it down to try and limit raping shouldn’t be an unreasonable ask.

 

[DaveMatthew]

What about them? I don't think you understand that it is clear that the rot starts from the top and has trickled down to the grassroots. A fundamentally new organization is needed

See, replacing the board and executive leadership with a more diverse group of individuals and ensuring that their primary mandate is "player and community safety" is a tangible suggestion. And I agree, that should be done.

But that's not "burning it down", nor do I think it will solve everything, or even come close to solving everything.