Canada's 2003 world hockey junior team also accused of group sexual assault

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Well clearly not all the women were willing. And the way Tootoo talks about it with an attitude of “We were young and horny what do you expect?” Is what disgusts me. Not to mention multiple players being in a room with multiple women at the same time is also disgusting to me.

That's your prerogative then. Its incredibly normal for young people to go out looking to get laid and these days, have 3 or 4 people participate willingly these days. Men and women both like it. if you are old fashioned, then, well, you are old fashioned

If any Women were unwilling, then you have a specific case where we can vigorously investigate. We don't know if Tootoo is involved in that aspect of it and Nothing Tootoo said was unusual or wrong thus far.

 

[LOFIN]

Some of these comments, god damn. I know our society is not really evolving into a nice place with everyone getting hurt over everything, but we are talking about a f***ing gang rape here. One with actual video evidence of it.

Think twice before you post "puckbunnies" and stuff...

 

[roflstomper]

Did you read the article?

Look at the language used. "Non-responsive". Wtf does that mean? Doesn't say unconscious or resisting or anything. That in and of itself means nothing. And a couple of teenage hockey players might not be the best judges of what they see on a tape when it comes to consent. Without seeing the video we know f*** all. Could it have happened, sure but right now you know absolutely nothing of value.

People combing through rosters "that guy might be a rapists" "hmm maybe that guy" at this stage is a f***ign joke.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

If she was indeed unconscious then I take that back

So if she was conscious it's okay to be gangraped? It's only bad if she's unconscious?

 

[Maplebeasts]

Well clearly not all the women were willing. And the way Tootoo talks about it with an attitude of “We were young and horny what do you expect?” Is what disgusts me. Not to mention multiple players being in a room with multiple women at the same time is also disgusting to me.

Yes his attitude about it is gross. Young men and women being in the same room however is normal and perfectly fine so long as boundaries are respected. We're not in the 40's anymore.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

Look at the language used. "Non-responsive". Wtf does that mean? Doesn't say unconscious or resisting or anything. That in and of itself means nothing. And a couple of teenage hockey players might not be the best judges of what they see on a tape when it comes to consent. Without seeing the video we know f*** all. Could it have happened, sure but right now you know absolutely nothing of value.

What the f*** do you think non-responsive means?

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Look at the language used. "Non-responsive". Wtf does that mean? Doesn't say unconscious or resisting or anything. That in and of itself means nothing. And a couple of teenage hockey players might not be the best judges of what they see on a tape when it comes to consent. Without seeing the video we know f*** all. Could it have happened, sure but right now you know absolutely nothing of value.

It's really not that ambiguous of a term...

Especially if you have multiple witnesses that can attest to it.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Look at the language used. "Non-responsive". Wtf does that mean?

You should consult a dictionary if you aren’t sure. Seriously, that will help.

 

[H3ckt1k]

If they need to be punished according to law so be it. But i am sick of these moralists on hfboards.com. You see it even now, in 2022 so many women or girls are enamored with these hockey players. Just recently, some reporter cheated on her fiance with ian f***ing cole for example. Many of you probably too old to remember but i will remind you. 16-20 yo boys, especially within colllective are not the most decent people out there. And these young elite hockey players are rockstars, like that excerpt from tootoo says, with girls going after them. There is a good possibility some of them might have crossed the line in those circumstances, that does not make them automatically rapists or criminals.

Also, f*** rick westhead.

I'm so confused with posts like these. It doesn't take a moralist to realize that rape and sexual assault is actually a bad thing, that's a pretty regular take to have. The fact that these "young elite hockey players" think of themselves as rockstars doesn't help your case either, that probably has just lead them to believe they can get away with whatever they want to in life with no consequences. Nobody here is dumb enough to think girls aren't throwing themselves at some of these players, we were all young at some point and witnessed it happening. The stories coming out recently aren't these situations. The girl was f***ing unresponsive, for gods sakes

 

[JKG33]

So if she was conscious it's okay to be gangraped? It's only bad if she's unconscious?

Where do I say that?

 

[rt]

yikes....

Tootoo seems to be recounting consensual sexual acts.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Time to strip the US of their gold medals. It's only fair.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Where do I say that?

Well, you seemed to retract your statement about blaming the woman because she was unconscious. So it sounded like the line that was crossed was her being unconscious when they raped her, not the fact they raped her (ie. regardless of what state she was in).

 

[Transplanted Caper]

Where do I say that?

When you said women throw themselves at players and then cry foul after the fact.

 

[roflstomper]

You should consult a dictionary if you aren’t sure. Seriously, that will help.

I really want to know how you can be so sure of what another person claims to have seen on a video tape from 20+years ago. Really, explain it to me. And like I said this line of argument has nothing to do with the heinousness of rape or whether it happened or not.

 

[rt]

That's your prerogative then. Its incredibly normal for young people to go out looking to get laid and these days, have 3 or 4 people participate willingly these days. Men and women both like it. if you are old fashioned, then, well, you are old fashioned

If any Women were unwilling, then you have a specific case where we can vigorously investigate. We don't know if Tootoo is involved in that aspect of it and Nothing Tootoo said was unusual or wrong thus far.

What Tootoo said was in very poor taste. Bordering on repulsive. Also, it seems to have been a description of legally acceptable behavior. It would be nice if he’d keep it to himself as it seems to be nobody’s business. And it’s gross.

 

[McD37]

Did you read the article?

Yes, I did.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Hockey Canada Statement

Yesterday evening, Hockey Canada learned of an alleged group sexual assault from 2003 involving members of the 2002-03 National Junior Team after being contacted by Rick Westhead of TSN/CTV National News with disturbing details of the alleged incident. Mr. Westhead informed Hockey Canada he has spoken to multiple witnesses who provided him with explicit descriptions of an assault, following an interview with Conservative MP John Nater who is in possession of the same or similar information.

What in the hell is going on.

 

[JKG33]

When you said women throw themselves at players and then cry foul after the fact.

I said the bolded yes, and in a general sense I stand by that, although that was obviously not related to this situation.

Nowhere did I say what the other guy alleged

 

[Quinton Byfield]

Did you read the article?

People like that don't care. It goes against their world view and core beliefs.

They view social progress as something to push back against. As if because they don't care about these things, they don't understand why other people do. Instead of questioning their own moral failings, they project onto others that they must not care about these things either, that "sjw" are hypocrites or are lying about caring.

 

[H3ckt1k]

What Tootoo said was in very poor taste. Bordering on repulsive. Also, it seems to have been a description of legally acceptable behavior. It would be nice if he’d keep it to himself as it seems to be nobody’s business. And it’s gross.

Tootoo didn't admit to any legal unacceptable behaviour, I think the point is more that he puts it out there the players are clearly looking to share women with multiple players at a time, which makes stories like this all the more believable.

 

[PostBradMalone]

I really want to know how you can be so sure of what another person claims to have seen on a video tape. Really, explain it to me. And like I said this line of argument has nothing to do with the heinousness of rape or whether it happened or not.

Generally, they would use their eyes to watch said video, and then describe what they saw. Now multiply this by three, including the person whose camera was used to film said video, and you have your answer.

 

[MXD]

Look at the language used. "Non-responsive". Wtf does that mean? Doesn't say unconscious or resisting or anything. That in and of itself means nothing. And a couple of teenage hockey players might not be the best judges of what they see on a tape when it comes to consent. Without seeing the video we know f*** all. Could it have happened, sure but right now you know absolutely nothing of value.

People combing through rosters "that guy might be a rapists" "hmm maybe that guy" at this stage is a f***ign joke.

It generally starts by G and ends with HB.

 

[McD37]

If they crossed the line - that does make them abusers.

What kind of nonsense is this post? If a woman is consenting to partake in any sexual activity with one of the players, then so be it.

If she isn't - its f***ed up.

And why do you think that girl was there? To learn some hockey skills or what? Or are you telling me these guys drugged her or kidnap her, then it is different story.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I really want to know how you can be so sure of what another person claims to have seen on a video tape from 20+years ago. Really, explain it to me. And like I said this line of argument has nothing to do with the heinousness of rape or whether it happened or not.

Exactly what different interpretations do you think there are when someone is described as non-responsive? Because you seem to think that could mean something other than unconscious.

Do you think they meant she was distracted watching an interesting TV show at the time and didn't respond when called upon?