Canada's 2003 world hockey junior team also accused of group sexual assault

[Gizmo Tkachuk]

And why do you think that girl was there? To learn some hockey skills or what? Or are you telling me these guys drugged her or kidnap her, then it is different story.

Its possible that she changed her mind. Women are allowed to do that you know.

 

[CanHeDoIt99]

And why do you think that girl was there? To learn some hockey skills or what? Or are you telling me these guys drugged her or kidnap her, then it is different story.

It doesn't matter why she was there. Shes allowed to be there. Shes allowed to take interest in one - or multiple guys there. Shes allowed to think they would be cool to hangout with. It literally does not matter why shes there - it doesn't justify being sexually assaulted.

 

[Love]

That's your prerogative then. Its incredibly normal for young people to go out looking to get laid and these days, have 3 or 4 people participate willingly these days. Men and women both like it. if you are old fashioned, then, well, you are old fashioned

If any Women were unwilling, then you have a specific case where we can vigorously investigate. We don't know if Tootoo is involved in that aspect of it and Nothing Tootoo said was unusual or wrong thus far.

If me thinking it’s disgusting for men to look at women and think let’s slay these broads the yes, I’m absolutely old fashioned.

Yes his attitude about it is gross. Young men and women being in the same room however is normal and perfectly fine so long as boundaries are respected. We're not in the 40's anymore.

I love my wife and I love my friends. Doesn’t mean I want to have sex with my wife in the same room as my friend and his wife.

And I don’t care if you think I’m from the 40’s. It’s f***ing weird.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

And why do you think that girl was there? To learn some hockey skills or what? Or are you telling me these guys drugged her or kidnap her, then it is different story.

Someone needs to put this guy on a list

 

[99ovr]

If me thinking it’s disgusting for men to look at women and think let’s slay these broads the yes, I’m absolutely old fashioned.


I love my wife and I love my friends. Doesn’t mean I want to have sex with my wife in the same room as my friend and his wife.

And I don’t care if you think I’m from the 40’s. It’s f***ing weird.

The "let's slay these broads" is a common mindset among young men between the ages of 16-22, especially more so for men that typically have more access to women such as high level hockey players.

Not saying it's good or bad, it's just the reality, you can think it's disgusting and others will think it's normal.

I fully agree on only wanting to be with your partner in one room during intimacy, to me being aroused with other naked men around is extremely unappealing. Probably the reason for these gang sexual activities is to seem "savage" in front of their friends.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

And why do you think that girl was there? To learn some hockey skills or what? Or are you telling me these guys drugged her or kidnap her, then it is different story.

This really just seems like bait at this point.

 

[PeE eL DuBoiS]

I hope Lupul is still hiding really well on Robidas Island.

 

[McD37]

Someone needs to put this guy on a list

Ok, josra33.

 

[Blender]

And why do you think that girl was there? To learn some hockey skills or what? Or are you telling me these guys drugged her or kidnap her, then it is different story.

So if she drank too much to the point of passing out, that means she's consenting to a gang bang because she's in their room?

 

[Love]

The "let's slay these broads" is a common mindset among young men between the ages of 16-22, especially more so for men that typically have more access to women such as high level hockey players.

Not saying it's good or bad, it's just the reality, you can think it's disgusting and others will think it's normal.

I fully agree on only wanting to be with your partner in one room during intimacy, to me being aroused with other naked men around is extremely unappealing. Probably the reason for these gang sexual activities is to seem "savage" in front of their friends.

Whether it’s common or not is irrelevant to me. In fact I agree with you that’s it’s relatively common. Regarldess it’s still a disgusting way to view women. It’s objectification to the max, with underlying beliefs of these women exist for my pleasure. It’s the same reason why I hate when Bissonnette used to talk about sleeping with women as “kills” or in this case to “slay” a woman. It’s gross and words do matter, they reveal the underlying belief.

 

[rynryn]

holy god this thread is even worse than the last one.

literally the only thing in this story that would make it "okay" for the players is if this was a consensual arrangement whereby the girl, sober, agreed to all the actions of the players. Does that sound rational at all?

 

[Goose]

Reading what’s contained on the video, it’s really a shame we don’t castrate as punishment in this country.

 

[Blender]

Why do you think she was in that room?

You didn't answer my question. An unconscious person cannot consent to sex, full stop. There is no ambiguity there.

 

[Maplebeasts]

If me thinking it’s disgusting for men to look at women and think let’s slay these broads the yes, I’m absolutely old fashioned.


I love my wife and I love my friends. Doesn’t mean I want to have sex with my wife in the same room as my friend and his wife.

And I don’t care if you think I’m from the 40’s. It’s f***ing weird.

That's not the situation here man. Tootoo's attitude is gross and I'm more upset that there are women out there who throw themselves at men like this who clearly have little respect for them and view them as a means to get laid. That being said young women and men are often in the same room together flirting and making out at parties, clubs, etc. It's not our cup of tea but who are we to dictate what people do sexually, especially when it's consensual? The issue here is that this situation assuming the allegations are true is a textbook example of rape, as the players engaged her sexually while unconscious.

 

[Flybynite]

Tootoo seems to be recounting consensual sexual acts.

Wouldn't be the first person to remember things they did in their late teens/early 20s "differently" looking back on it much later. Plenty of frat boys and athletes in colleges have done rapes or gang rapes and just thought the girl 'getting drunk and passing out' was 'consenting' to it. I'm 45. I'm old enough to have grown up where movies and tv shows showed getting a woman a little (or a lot) "Liquored up" could help someone "score".

ITS STILL A RAPE.

 

[leafsfan5]

So if a women is passed out in your room you're not going to have any moral quams about having sex with her? That's what your implying.

That's rape dude. That's also reality btw. And it's disgusting.

But I thought once a woman entered my room all moral qualms go out the window and I can do whatever I want to her???????

 

[sportsdynasty]

Good luck trying to get text messages from 2003 on their Nokia phones. There is no evidence except he said/she said.

 

[Flybynite]

There is a video of the incident occurring!

There 'was' a video. It may no longer exist. There are multiple witnesses cited as confirming this. One of them was the person who said their video camera was used and then returned to them and when it was returned they saw this incident recorded on it and they deleted it. I believe it's stated another says they viewed a video in the spring of 2003. There may have been a copy (or multiple copies) made, but there's not a video of the evidence as of this moment.

It's eyewitnesses saying they viewed the video 19 years ago.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Wouldn't be the first person to remember things they did in their late teens/early 20s "differently" looking back on it much later. Plenty of frat boys and athletes in colleges have done rapes or gang rapes and just thought the girl 'getting drunk and passing out' was 'consenting' to it. I'm 45. I'm old enough to have grown up where movies and tv shows showed getting a woman a little (or a lot) "Liquored up" could help someone "score".

ITS STILL A RAPE.

Hell, the father of convicted rapist Brock Turner decried charges being brought on the basis of his son just wanting to get some “action”. Said victim was passed out next to a dumpster. This is an issue that defies era unfortunately.

 

[Pucklington]

Some junior player having a string of girlfriends is fine what is not is a persistent culture that covers up for and excuses rape and sexual assault. Between the brewing 2003 and 2018 scandals involving Hockey Canada and the Katz situation there is a lot of soul searching that needs to happen in hockey.

Yes. To think this is only a Hockey Canada issue is naive.

I suspect there will be a steady stream of stories come out.

There 'was' a video. It may no longer exist. There are multiple witnesses cited as confirming this. One of them was the person who said their video camera was used and then returned to them and when it was returned they saw this incident recorded on it and they deleted it. I believe it's stated another says they viewed a video in the spring of 2003. There may have been a copy (or multiple copies) made, but there's not a video of the evidence as of this moment.

It's eyewitnesses saying they viewed the video 19 years ago.

There is a copy of the video. Was quoted in CBC someone copied the video.

 

[ElysiumAB]

well its the slowest part in the NHL year

That's what Hockey Dogs is for.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Gross. Might be past time to take Group Sexual Assault off the official Hockey Canada Training Camp Team Building Itinerary.

 

[Boulder Avalanche]

Yes. To think this is only a Hockey Canada issue is naive.

I suspect there will be a steady stream of stories come out.



There is a copy of the video. Was quoted in CBC someone copied the video.

It is a widespread issue with young men. The athlete factor makes just makes it easier for the repulsive attitudes to be put into action. I have lost male friendships and been unable to integrate into male groups because of taking stances against regressive and toxic behaviors. What these scandals do is provide a mirror to wider social issues which is drives a lot of the questioning of their validity.

 

[ricky0034]

But I thought once a woman entered my room all moral qualms go out the window and I can do whatever I want to her???????

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Rick Westhead is the grim reaper.

Everyone is coming out of the woodwork looking for a payday. These guys could be innocent and people are ready to hang them. You guys would make the worst jurors.

Conversely, you exonerate them. I guess everyone forms a premature opinion.