Canada's 2003 world hockey junior team also accused of group sexual assault

[DopeyFish]

holy smokes hockey canada needs to get their crap together

do a thorough cleansing. you're supposed to be a bright spot for canada ffs

 

[NorthCoast]

right i get here people are talking about hockey, and like i said im all for the sport being honest with itself and doing everything it can to prevent / take a strong stance on the issue. but broadly speaking and this goes beyond here too many people single out hockey having a culture problem as if the culture problem is isolated to the sport, when its a broad culture problem that hockey is not an innocent party to.

Yes/no.

Is there a broad cultural problem where young men in a lot of situations need to be better prepared/educated to be empathetic to others in vulnerable situations? Yes.

Is this problem exacerbated when those young men have been away from home/parents for 2-3 years, have had their ego's boosted, are having their first experiences with alcohol, and have young women seemingly 'chasing' after them? Yes.

And note that nothing in the previous paragraph mentioned hockey. The same increased risk of young men not having proper guidance and oversight probably occurs in similar situations with any sport/youth activity whereby there is less supervision, +alcohol, +believe that you are above things, +++

The thing is, it doesn't matter if the issue exists outside of hockey. The remedy is better education and awareness of the harm that can be created. And if hockey...or any sport...is part of creating an environment where there is increased risk of SA, (away from home, ego/s, alcohol, availability) then yes, hockey has a culture problem, because they own the exacerbation part. You can't just say "well, we didn't start the fire so why are you mad that we poured gas on it"


It's a pretty clear line of though for me.

Would these exact same 18-19 year olds have taken part in what happened if not for hockey?
(not part of the WJ team, had not been away from home, had not had the availability that a gold medalist has, etc. etc.)

Maybe some would, but some wouldn't. And that's the hockey culture problem, the difference between someone that wouldn't without the part that hockey played.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

This is such a bad take, where to even begin.

“Women that feed the ego/culture”, people will go to the ends of the earth to defend hockey players that act like scumbags.

A decent human being doesn’t treat others like they are trash.

Not defending at all, I said that multiple times. The players deserve whatever they get and the women didn’t deserve what they got. Just pointing out it’s not a stretch of the imagination to see where their sense of entitlement comes from. Similar to the #metoo, I’m surprised people are surprised by these stories coming out, I wouldn’t let me daughters within a 1000 m of a hockey player, rock star or celebrity.

 

[freakydallas13]

Only Fleury is left in the NHL, though Upshall is still in the media with his shitty podcast.

What? Off of the top of my head: Jeff Carter, Corey Perry, and Brent Burns are all still playing. I'm sure there is more if someone sat down and looked at the list.

Edit : nvm I'm dumb, it's the world Junior team, not the 2003 draft.

 

[Evergreen]

What? Off of the top of my head: Jeff Carter, Corey Perry, and Brent Burns are all still playing. I'm sure there is more if someone sat down and looked at the list.

Edit : nvm I'm dumb, it's the world Junior team, not the 2003 draft.

Pretty sure only Carter was on the team of the guys you listed.

 

[Zippity]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1990/05/15/4-capitals-accused-of-rape/97bc50b8-0bf0-493c-b7d1-d8a08591ef6f/?utm_source=reddit.com

Been going on for years

 

[hockeydog23]

Regarding the 2018 incident. If you read the video transcripts as well as text messages that were submitted to police by the players lawyers it pretty much exonerates them from criminal wrong doing. I certainly don't like what they did consent or not.

It's possible the mother and daughter saw a payday knowing HC would want this swept under the rug.

I will wait to pass judgement on the 2003 incident until I hear more details.

How exactly do the 2018 texts exonerate those players?

 

[Hockeyholic]

So this comes out like 19 years later?

Yeah not suspicious at all...

 

[Zippity]

So this comes out like 19 years later?

Yeah not suspicious at all...

I think the govt requested all cases, so Hc is being proactive and transparent.lol

 

[hockeydog23]

The answer is obvious. So a person lies and that lie destroys another's life - and you don't get it? Geeez.

I’d be interested in knowing the ratio of lives destroyed by rapes to lives destroyed by false rape allegations. You think it’s close to 1:1 or something else?

So you’re saying rapists are only half as bad as women who lie about being raped? I’m not sure that’s obvious to everyone.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Sounds like young Canadian hockey players need Jesus.

(if you’ve ever been around young hockey players or played yourself, you already knew this)

Do the incredible amount of Catholic Priests who commit child rape need Jesus?

The bible is a pretty rapey book so I would suggest keeping your religion out of this.

 

[pearljamvs5]

So this comes out like 19 years later?

Yeah not suspicious at all...

Imagine not believing a possible gang rape victim because they didn't come forward fast enough for you to believe them. Also, if you read the article, it is not the victim that came forth with accusations, it was multiple other witnesses. Not sure how anything about this is suspicious?

 

[Silky Johnson]

A 3.5mil payment to the accuser doesn't count as more than just an allegation?

Was the payment 3.5 mil? I thought the suit was 3.5mil but the settlement was unknown. I could be wrong.

 

[Melrose Munch]

Yes/no.

Is there a broad cultural problem where young men in a lot of situations need to be better prepared/educated to be empathetic to others in vulnerable situations? Yes.

Is this problem exacerbated when those young men have been away from home/parents for 2-3 years, have had their ego's boosted, are having their first experiences with alcohol, and have young women seemingly 'chasing' after them? Yes.

And note that nothing in the previous paragraph mentioned hockey. The same increased risk of young men not having proper guidance and oversight probably occurs in similar situations with any sport/youth activity whereby there is less supervision, +alcohol, +believe that you are above things, +++

The thing is, it doesn't matter if the issue exists outside of hockey. The remedy is better education and awareness of the harm that can be created. And if hockey...or any sport...is part of creating an environment where there is increased risk of SA, (away from home, ego/s, alcohol, availability) then yes, hockey has a culture problem, because they own the exacerbation part. You can't just say "well, we didn't start the fire so why are you mad that we poured gas on it"


It's a pretty clear line of though for me.

Would these exact same 18-19 year olds have taken part in what happened if not for hockey?
(not part of the WJ team, had not been away from home, had not had the availability that a gold medalist has, etc. etc.)

Maybe some would, but some wouldn't. And that's the hockey culture problem, the difference between someone that wouldn't without the part that hockey played.

Fantastic Post

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

So this comes out like 19 years later?

Yeah not suspicious at all...

There is a video. Try reading before commenting.

 

[Magnum23]

Bet those animals thought they were in the clear, who has videos from 2003 eh...

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Not defending at all, I said that multiple times. The players deserve whatever they get and the women didn’t deserve what they got. Just pointing out it’s not a stretch of the imagination to see where their sense of entitlement comes from. Similar to the #metoo, I’m surprised people are surprised by these stories coming out, I wouldn’t let me daughters within a 1000 m of a hockey player, rock star or celebrity.

“Sense of entitlement” still doesn’t explain the kind of depravity necessary to gang rape an unconscious woman, which is what it sounds like happened in the video.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Shoot these guys into the sun

 

[grentthealien]

I have faith that most of them are good people and that a small, but very vocal, number of idiots are ruining it for everyone.

I believe so as well , I think that’s a very important attitude to maintain in today’s hyper fast negative news cycle where everyone is now so keenly aware of just how F***** everything is, simply put it’s important to not let everything that is so heinous about this world consume you, if not for no other reason than maintaining one’s own sanity lol

That being said it’s still incredibly disturbing to read about these events and worse there is never any real closure or justice to these things so it always leaves a lingering stench, I refuse to call it a Hockey culture issue as I feel that is far too basic of a buzzterm , I think it’s a general issue with primarily young privileged men and older wealthy men who perhaps with good reason believe their above the law, the occupation or fraternity they’re a part of is beside the point.

 

[Leafs87]

Proving this from 19 years is almost impossible at this point I would assume. Still good awareness I guess. Would be kinda bad if it’s one of the 2003s that left a great legacy on this game

 

[grentthealien]

This isn't limited to just hockey, toxic bro culture like this exists in all of sports.

I don’t think it’s even limited to Sports it extends into Business, Entertainment and Politics too .

I’m far from some prototypical vocal male feminist and Women are not always innocent angels by any means either but there are far too many times in this life where I’ve had to take a second to seriously stop and wonder just what is wrong with so many men. In the groups of men that we’re largely talking about here I Sometimes struggle to relate to even their basic behaviour.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

“Sense of entitlement” still doesn’t explain the kind of depravity necessary to gang rape an unconscious woman, which is what it sounds like happened in the video.

They think they deserve it - I’m not condoning it and it’s not what normal people think - their reality is not ours. Yeah it’s a society issue but you will find the % of people it’s an issue with are ones that women throw themselves at. Most guys have to show respect and spend time to find partners, goes without saying that is just common decency - these guys don’t have to do either and are rewarded, perpetuates depravity.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Was the payment 3.5 mil? I thought the suit was 3.5mil but the settlement was unknown. I could be wrong.

No, you're right.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

“Sense of entitlement” still doesn’t explain the kind of depravity necessary to gang rape an unconscious woman, which is what it sounds like happened in the video.

Learned behavior

Horrific, disgusting allegations of abuse emerge in CHL lawsuit

WARNING: This story contains extremely graphic content as it reveals “players sodomized with hockey sticks” and “rookies forced to masturbate and ejaculate on the same slice of bread”…

www.hockeyfeed.com

 

[KapG]

Hockey culture is disgusting. The knuckle draggers will defend it tho.