Canada's 2003 world hockey junior team also accused of group sexual assault

[BMacLeafs]

Every one of those players should be locked up for life! As should the coaches, the staff, and anybody who worked at Hockey Canada during that time. Every one of u is accountable.

Come on Trudeau, time to kill Hockey Canada!

 

[Cleatus]

This is looking to be the worst off-season in hockey history... I know they're all innocent until proven guilty, but most pro athletes (and celebrities) are scum. Really hope this is all lies, but I'm 99.99% sure it isn't, and it makes me sick (and also makes me hate this sport).

 

[Jeune Poulet]

There is a video.

There is no video.

It's worriesome that, 12 hours after this story broke, with a 13-page thread here, people still don't get that. Let me repeat:

There is no video.

To the people saying "well, it's possible that it took the victim 20 years to find the strength to report":

No victim came forward. There's no victime report. No journalist seem interested to know the identity of this alleged victim either. As if she was an extra in a movie. This is completely weird, insensitive and incompetent journalism.

Three anonymous sources claim they saw a video, almost 20 years ago. These coward worms claim that they ERASED THE ALLEGED VIDEO and never alerted the authority. Imagine you enter a local shop and find the clerk dead on the floor, in a pool of blood, with footsteps drenched in blood, and your reflex was to clean the scene. These weaklings are disgusting and if what they say is true, have absolutely no moral fiber, so cannot be trusted at all.

Nowhere in any article does anyone identify ANY of the players involved. The articles don't even bother to explain to us WHY they are not identified. Like, the cowards say that a player was saying "You're going to see a lamb roast" in this video but you're not saying who? Why? Makes absolutely no sense. We've got graphic descriptions of the actions, but you won't name anyone? Whatever the explanation is, say it! Sources refused? TSN too chickenshit?

This is dreadful reporting and also dreadful attitude by these 3 sources and the reporters. Three guys apparently decide to grow a spine 19 years too late but they go to a f***ing journalist instead of the police? You believe someone MAY have made a copy of this video so you're making sure the entire world knows, just so that whoever would be in possession of said copy will have time to destroy the evidence? And these scoop-hungry journalists go along with it?

Westhead did a great job on the 2018 gang rape. Solid investigation that will have largely positive impacts.

But this article on a 2003 alleged rape? It needed a lot more work before a decent, informative, credible article could be written. I think Westhead may have wanted to strike while the iron was hot, but reporting comes with responsibilities. Botching articles to break out stories is a common sin in the news business. But not one you can afford when you work sensitive, important investigative journalism like this.

Sexual assault allegations 2003 World Juniors team | TSN

Halifax police said they have opened a criminal investigation into sexual assault allegations related to Canada’s 2003 World Junior team.

www.tsn.ca

Westhead better do a much better job in the coming days on this case.

 

[OKR]

Hockey culture is disgusting. The knuckle draggers will defend it tho.

Nothing to do with hockey culture, you honestly must be a absolute dumbass to think a sexual assault is anyway part of ”hockey culture” or these awful things happen because of it.

There are literally millions of hockey players and they’re all individuals, and you can choose million individuals from ANY group and you’re bound to have some bad people in there, it’s just how it is.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

I don’t think it’s even limited to Sports it extends into Business, Entertainment and Politics too .

I’m far from some prototypical vocal male feminist and Women are not always innocent angels by any means either but there are far too many times in this life where I’ve had take a second to seriously stop and wonder just what is wrong with so many men. In the groups of men that we’re largely talking about here I Sometimes struggle to relate to even their basic behaviour.

I find your post quite interesting, and I hope you just take this as food for thought. If you're wondering what is wrong with so many men, I think the bolded has a lot to do with it. Feminism is about equality, and too many men are scared to be vocal in support of that. They default to protecting the status of other men, or at the very least, look the other way.

And then, as we've seen numerous times in this thread, they view women with accusing eyes if they don't speak up. The problem is that not enough men speak up.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

From the description it sounds like there were at least 8 guys who either took part or encouraged it. That's like at least 35% of the team which is absolutely insane.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Nothing to do with hockey culture, you honestly must be a absolute dumbass to think a sexual assault is anyway part of ”hockey culture” or these awful things happen because of it.

There are literally millions of hockey players and they’re all individuals, and you can choose million individuals from ANY group and you’re bound to have some bad people in there, it’s just how it is.

'You Don't Forget the Pain. You Bleed.' Former Jr. Star Recounts Hazing, Sexual Abuse

Fred Ledlin was hazed by four different junior teams when he was a teenager and he largely kept quiet about it for 40 years. But four decades later, he's finding his voice and speaking out against the sexual abuse he suffered.

thehockeynews.com

 

[OKR]

'You Don't Forget the Pain. You Bleed.' Former Jr. Star Recounts Hazing, Sexual Abuse

Fred Ledlin was hazed by four different junior teams when he was a teenager and he largely kept quiet about it for 40 years. But four decades later, he's finding his voice and speaking out against the sexual abuse he suffered.

thehockeynews.com

You can find case like this in pretty much every sport, every field of work etc.

90% of the millions that have played hockey have not encountered anything like it, and are shocked by it as well, it’s not like every other hockey player encounters something like this and just shrug it off and be like ”it’s just part of the culture bruh”

It’s literally as dumb as saying that DUI’s are part of basketball culture, beating wifes is part of football culture or that cheating is part of golf culture.

 

[Cleatus]

You can find case like this in pretty much every sport, every field of work etc.

90% of the millions that have played hockey have not encountered anything like it, and are shocked by it as well, it’s not like every other hockey player encounters something like this and just shrug it off and be like ”it’s just part of the culture bruh”

It’s literally as dumb as saying that DUI’s are part of basketball culture, beating wifes is part of football culture or that cheating is part of golf culture.

These all are generally the culture of being rich and famous. They don't follow the same rules as regular people, and think of us as less than they are.

 

[OKR]

These all are generally the culture of being rich and famous. They don't follow the same rules as regular people, and think of us as less than they are.

Pretty much, but these people are also in general more likely to be used for advantage due to their public status and the knowledge of their income, so they distance themselves from us ”normal people” as much as they can

 

[BMacLeafs]

You can find case like this in pretty much every sport, every field of work etc.

Keep burying your head in the sand and plugging your ears.

90% of the millions that have played hockey have not encountered anything like it, and are shocked by it as well, it’s not like every other hockey player encounters something like this and just shrug it off and be like ”it’s just part of the culture bruh”

It’s literally as dumb as saying that DUI’s are part of basketball culture, beating wifes is part of football culture or that cheating is part of golf culture.

Then why don't we hear anything about basketball/ Murican football/ golf having culture problems?

 

[Cleatus]

Pretty much, but these people are also in general more likely to be used for advantage due to their public status and the knowledge of their income, so they distance themselves from us ”normal people” as much as they can

Very true, lots of snakes are after them as well (but mostly in the form of "friends," "family," and shady accountants+lawyers).

 

[Boulder Avalanche]

Keep burying your head in the sand and plugging your ears.



Then why don't we hear anything about basketball/ Murican football/ golf having culture problems?

There are massive cultural issues in every sport. American football at the collegiate level is full of numerous scandals that are in the vein of what is happening with Hockey Canada. Look at Baylor or the University of Colorado as two examples that had scandals in the same time periods as the two Hockey Canada accusations. Hockey has skated by on its wholesome image and low-key personalities however thankfully this is changing x

 

[OKR]

Keep burying your head in the sand and plugging your ears.



Then why don't we hear anything about basketball/ Murican football/ golf having culture problems?

How am i plugging my ears and burying my head in the sand when i’m out here discussing the exact thing? It’s sad as shit that these things happen, but to put the blame on ”hockey culture” is just stupid and creates a unneccesary shade over the sport instead of offering any actual value to solving the issue.

And because those sports are far more global and popular, so there are more people who are aware of the fact that these things happen in any group of millions. There is literally a video of naked Anthony Davis being hazed on the internet, is that now part of basketball culture too? There have been more than 5 football players arrested for a rape or abuse just this summer, is that part of football culture too?

To be part of the culture it has to be more than ~100 individuals out of 10million and widely accepted around the group of individuals taking part of the ”culture”

 

[grentthealien]

I find your post quite interesting, and I hope you just take this as food for thought. If you're wondering what is wrong with so many men, I think the bolded has a lot to do with it. Feminism is about equality, and too many men are scared to be vocal in support of that. They default to protecting the status of other men, or at the very least, look the other way.

And then, as we've seen numerous times in this thread, they view women with accusing eyes if they don't speak up. The problem is that not enough men speak up.

I don’t find it all that interesting, it’s just a term that I choose not to associate myself with. Far too many bad experiences with self proclaimed feminists both male and female for me to want to associate myself with it or the people involved.

Like any movement though there are some ideas and philosophies I agree with and others I don’t . I suppose I mentioned it just to highlight that you can have your criticisms or gripes about an ideology while also not completely devolving into extreme views. There are some reactionary Anti-feminist groups that I can think of that do just that and those groups are appalling to me as well.

For me I sincerely do have a hard time relating to men personally who seem to remove or strip the human element out of Sex completely, Even if I have a one night stand it’s important to me that I know the Woman feels, safe, comfortable and is enjoying herself. Actually pleasuring another person is just as rewarding if not more rewarding than receiving pleasure yourself. I just don’t understand the point of having recreational sex with someone with little to any foreplay or interaction with them. If I wanted silence and guaranteed pleasure I’d just stay home and dance with myself lol

I do think it is healthy and good for people & perhaps men especially to evaluate their sex lives and ask what it is they exactly want out of it in the first place rather than mindlessly doing anything to get into someone’s pants. The later usually leads to a bad and stressful time for everyone involved.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Our rapist heroes

 

[catnip]

I could've posted this in any of the other threads (yeah, imagine writing that sentence when talking about sexual assault) but it applies here as well.

It's disgusting how certain people almost seem to celebrate whenever an alleged victim fails to produce irrefutable evidence of a sexual assault. I understand why "innocent until proven guilty" is the legal standard in criminal court and I would be "happy" to uphold that as a jury member even if I thought the accused was most likely guilty as hell. That said...

Everyone here knows why sexual assaults are so difficult to prove, so the constant "I only want the truth; prove it or it didn't happen" is beyond disingenuous. Just look at this thread. We supposedly have a case with a video, three witnesses, and an unconscious victim - and that's still not enough because the woman was in the wrong place, didn't object forcefully enough (because unconscious), is just a puckbunny (i.e. not a real human being with any value except as a sexual conquest - if she's hot enough) out to squeeze money out of some upstanding young(ish) men (eventhough she hasn't even come forward). Or my "favourites": the statute of limitations and "ok, she may or may not have consented but..." For the love of God, it's pretty effing important whether there was consent or not - it's not just a minor detail you can brush off! If that's the level of proof that's required, your ordinary rape victims really don't stand a chance.

You're the kind of people that sit on juries and then turn around and use the fact that women (or men, for that matter) don't report or press charges as proof that they're just making up stuff. In another thread, someone was going on about how if his daughter was raped, he'd make sure she knew she has partly to blame and then simply insist that the rapists' guilt was proven beyond reasonable doubt and they were thrown in jail. Yeah, you insist all you want; I'm sure the evidence will just materialise out of thin air.

Let's flip it around and say it was "guilty until proven innocent". You'd rightfully say that's asking too much because, much of the time, such evidence is simply non-existent and the case becomes a he said, she said. At the same time, you're totally fine with placing that same burden on the victim, as if she (or he, for that matter) has access to some secret stash of evidence that's only available to her. Some people are awfully concerned about innocent men being thrown to jail left and right based on nothing but a scorned lover's word, because they know it's really, really difficult to prove either way. I wouldn't say you did it just because you can't prove you didn't, so let's not do the opposite either. And let's not perpetuate the idea that every accusation that doesn't lead to a conviction in a criminal court was made up. Yes, an occasional false accusation happens, sometimes out of malice, sometimes out of confusion, mental illness etc, but overall the system is set up in a way that rather keeps guilty people (as in, they did it though were never convicted) roaming the streets than imprisons an innocent one. To achieve that, a bunch of victims apparently need to be sacrificed in court rooms all over. I understand it on a general level but these discussions about specific cases are truly appalling.

 

[IslesNorway]

It's time to stop the glorifying of young athletes from childhood onwards, because in time that is what leads to these kinds of happenings. These boys are told and taught from an early age that their destiny is becoming great and as a consequence they believe their own hype thinking they are free to do what they want, and treat others like shit.

It happens in all sports but the "boys will be boys" has got to go and it has got to go from junior teams, peewee teams, and national teams all the same.

 

[filip85]

Police open investigations into 2003 and 2018 Canadian world junior teams

In 2003 ? Wow, that really needs attention, since it was a few days ago....

25 years ago I have read in local newspapers that somebody sexually assaulted someone 100 years ago....

 

[Silky Johnson]

Learned behavior

Horrific, disgusting allegations of abuse emerge in CHL lawsuit

WARNING: This story contains extremely graphic content as it reveals “players sodomized with hockey sticks” and “rookies forced to masturbate and ejaculate on the same slice of bread”…

www.hockeyfeed.com

So, if the settlement number ended up being 25k, which is much less then legal fees, would people think the settlement implies nothing really? How much would it need to be to imply some sort of guilt.

The first time I was responsible defending a law suit (management not legal) we were sued for 2.5 million for a trip. We settled for 13k. Way cheaper than legal fees or insurance premium increases.

 

[pown]

Nvmp

 

[YippieKaey]

Obviously this problem extends beyond the sport realm but incidents like these kind of make me wanna stop all men's sport and only allow women to compete. At least they don't brag about gang-raping teenagers.

And usually for every case that is known there's 10 that aren't.

 

[YippieKaey]

If they need to be punished according to law so be it. But i am sick of these moralists on hfboards.com. You see it even now, in 2022 so many women or girls are enamored with these hockey players. Just recently, some reporter cheated on her fiance with ian f***ing cole for example. Many of you probably too old to remember but i will remind you. 16-20 yo boys, especially within colllective are not the most decent people out there. And these young elite hockey players are rockstars, like that excerpt from tootoo says, with girls going after them. There is a good possibility some of them might have crossed the line in those circumstances, that does not make them automatically rapists or criminals.

Also, f*** rick westhead.

But it does. That's what "crossing the line" means.

 

[daver]

Came here to post how I hate bad things and that people who are for bad things are scum.

 

[YippieKaey]

Look at the language used. "Non-responsive". Wtf does that mean? Doesn't say unconscious or resisting or anything. That in and of itself means nothing. And a couple of teenage hockey players might not be the best judges of what they see on a tape when it comes to consent. Without seeing the video we know f*** all. Could it have happened, sure but right now you know absolutely nothing of value.

People combing through rosters "that guy might be a rapists" "hmm maybe that guy" at this stage is a f***ign joke.

If your daughter was videotaped getting f**ked by 6 men on a pool table and not responding to it at all. What would you feel/do?