Canada's 2003 world hockey junior team also accused of group sexual assault

[2014nyr]

I don’t think anyone is saying it’s just hockey. However, it certainly appears there is a real problem with Hockey Canada.

Looks like HC has known about this type of behaviour for quite sometime. They may not have known about this incident but to have a fund to settle sexual assault cases sure says a lot about this org. This isn’t the first time.

and thats totally fair, the coverup element should be addressed. but a lot of people are going at this like its an issue isolated to hockey and thats where i take issue. like i said im all for hockey looking itself in the mirror and taking what is an issue head on, but the idea that that issue only exists in hockey and implying its rampant is false.

 

[pearljamvs5]

Rick Westhead is the grim reaper.

Everyone is coming out of the woodwork looking for a payday. These guys could be innocent and people are ready to hang them. You guys would make the worst jurors.

Possibly, or maybe the long hidden, ugly truth is finally coming out about a bunch of young, entitled athletes. No one knows the truth for sure. Labeling all complainants as nothing more than a bunch of lying gold diggers looking for a quick payday against rich athletes is no more a moral argument than believing the victim and evidence against the accused.

 

[Craigo85]

Half the team played for the Leafs. Bell, White, Lupul, Wellwood…

I’ll just assume they were all involved unless I hear a twitter statement from each of them individually over the next few days.

Mcclement and stajan too? Another looked familiar... But those were some dark years I'm trying to forget.

Odds are at least one leaf was involved if there were 6+ in the video

 

[2014nyr]

In the context of a hockey board, about hockey players, I think it's ok. I don't think anyone is saying "hockey to the exclusion of others sports and/or areas of society". I think in practical terms, the line of argument you went down only serves to obstruct the issue at hand, with the exception of addressing specific comments/people that blatantly proclaim hockey is the exception.

right i get here people are talking about hockey, and like i said im all for the sport being honest with itself and doing everything it can to prevent / take a strong stance on the issue. but broadly speaking and this goes beyond here too many people single out hockey having a culture problem as if the culture problem is isolated to the sport, when its a broad culture problem that hockey is not an innocent party to.

 

[Leafsfan74]

I am really surprised that the names of those caught on video haven't been leaked. This is more global harm to Canadas reputation, one that has been in decline for decades.

Rather than having an entire program and even nation painted accordingly (though the media burying the story is the pinnacle of unethical) isn't fair. Let the names be known and have THEM answer for their actions so long ago rather than an entire team, organization or nation.

 

[Habby4Life]

and thats totally fair, the coverup element should be addressed. but a lot of people are going at this like its an issue isolated to hockey and thats where i take issue. like i said im all for hockey looking itself in the mirror and taking what is an issue head on, but the idea that that issue only exists in hockey and implying its rampant is false.

I haven’t seen anyone on here suggesting this is isolated to Hockey.

Is it rampant, I don’t know but two incidents with Team Canada WJ certainly is more than problematic.

 

[TheKule]

Blood boiling. These guys need to be named and charged.

 

[AlysonChainz]

The "let's slay these broads" is a common mindset among young men between the ages of 16-22, especially more so for men that typically have more access to women such as high level hockey players.

Not saying it's good or bad, it's just the reality, you can think it's disgusting and others will think it's normal.

I fully agree on only wanting to be with your partner in one room during intimacy, to me being aroused with other naked men around is extremely unappealing. Probably the reason for these gang sexual activities is to seem "savage" in front of their friends.

No, it's not normal. This is the problem. And the view of women is beyond problematic. This sh!t needs to change!!

 

[Uncle Rotter]

I am really surprised that the names of those caught on video haven't been leaked.

Three people recounting what they saw in a video 19 years ago.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Three people recounting what they saw in a video 19 years ago.

I would imagine such a video and the details/names of the accused would be very difficult to forget if one witnessed such a video. Even more profoundly etched in ones memory if that player made the NHL.

 

[Warden of the North]

This is worse then 2018, as the story stands now anyways

Sickening

 

[Leafsfan74]

Repeat post accidentally.

Hopefully the events do not occur again. This is damaging to many, worse when so many NHLers along with media etc knew about this and remained silent.

What a creepy culture we have surrounding hockey in Canada.

 

[Habby4Life]

I would imagine such a video and the details/names of the accused would be very difficult to forget if one witnessed it. Even more profoundly etched in ones memory if that player made the NHL.

If this is true, all they need is one name for all of this to unravel. The article states three witnesses have come forward to have seen the video. It’s a given that names will be forwarded to the investigators.

Glad the cops are looking into it and they need to get to the bottom of this, whatever the truth is.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

I am really surprised that the names of those caught on video haven't been leaked. This is more global harm to Canadas reputation, one that has been in decline for decades.

Rather than having an entire program and even nation painted accordingly (though the media burying the story is the pinnacle of unethical) isn't fair. Let the names be known and have THEM answer for their actions so long ago rather than an entire team, organization or nation.

The program was complicit.

 

[Warden of the North]

All of hockey media can conviently not say anything as they're on summer vacation for the next 6 weeks.

Thank God for Rick Westhead having some integrity.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

May be true. Why do some of them still feel the need to gang rape an unconscious teenager? Are those women are the dugout looking to have multiple men attack them while they are unconscious.

This thread is painful. There's zero chance this victim is a gold digger. It's three players stating that other players showed them a video of the incident. The victim hasn't even come forward yet.

It’s not right but majority of those women feed the ego/culture. I grew up in a town with an AHL team, I remember girls coming into the bar around midnight asking ‘are there any hockey players left?’ Got to the point where regular dudes would dress up in suits and pretend to be part of the team so they could hook up. I later moved to a city with an NHL team, a friend of a friend was a self proclaimed puck bunny who made it her life’s goal to sleep with every player on the team, she would stalk them until they slept with her. Had a friend who was the head bouncer at the popular night club, there would be a line of girls 100 deep waiting to get picked to join the players ‘private party’ upstairs and a pile of ‘associates’ waiting for the leftovers. Obviously none of these woman deserved to be raped but it’s not hard to see where players get their lack of respect for women from.

 

[super6646]

It’s not right but majority of those women feed the ego/culture. I grew up in a town with an AHL team, I remember girls coming into the bar around midnight asking ‘are there any hockey players left?’ Got to the point where regular dudes would dress up in suits and pretend to be part of the team so they could hook up. I later moved to a city with an NHL team, a friend of a friend was a self proclaimed puck bunny who made it her life’s goal to sleep with every player on the team, she would stalk them until they slept with her. Had a friend who was the head bouncer at the popular night club, there would be a line of girls 100 deep waiting to get picked to join the players ‘private party’ upstairs and a pile of ‘associates’ waiting for the leftovers. Obviously none of these woman deserved to be raped but it’s not hard to see where players get their lack of respect for women from.

Anecdotal fallacy here big time.

There’s no goddamn excuse for this sort of behaviour. “Lack of respect” for women because sometimes women throw themselves at those players is utter bullshit.

 

[Future]

Yes...plus you'd be hard pressed to find a willing participant to be disrespected, violated, carelessly f*c*ed and discarded by a group of men. That's why these are gang rapes and the victim is plied with drugs, booze, often to the point of unconsciousness. Why do these guys want to wave their di*ks around in front of a crowded room anyway? It's so disturbing that I need another word for disturbing.

You’d really be surprised. Growing up in a junior hockey city, girls would brag about things like that.

A lot of men here have a very naive point of view of women and the world. That much is apparent.

None of this is unique to hockey or hockey players. Football, baseball, basketball, etc. you name it. Same thing with musicians.

 

[Habby4Life]

It’s not right but majority of those women feed the ego/culture. I grew up in a town with an AHL team, I remember girls coming into the bar around midnight asking ‘are there any hockey players left?’ Got to the point where regular dudes would dress up in suits and pretend to be part of the team so they could hook up. I later moved to a city with an NHL team, a friend of a friend was a self proclaimed puck bunny who made it her life’s goal to sleep with every player on the team, she would stalk them until they slept with her. Had a friend who was the head bouncer at the popular night club, there would be a line of girls 100 deep waiting to get picked to join the players ‘private party’ upstairs and a pile of ‘associates’ waiting for the leftovers. Obviously none of these woman deserved to be raped but it’s not hard to see where players get their lack of respect for women from.

This is such a bad take, where to even begin.

“Women that feed the ego/culture”, people will go to the ends of the earth to defend hockey players that act like scumbags.

A decent human being doesn’t treat others like they are trash, end of story.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Animals

 

[canucksfan]

All of hockey media can conviently not say anything as they're on summer vacation for the next 6 weeks.

Thank God for Rick Westhead having some integrity.

I am sure they will be quick to tweet a trade as quickly as they can.

 

[AlysonChainz]

You’d really be surprised. Growing up in a junior hockey city, girls would brag about things like that.

A lot of men here have a very naive point of view of women and the world. That much is apparent.

None of this is unique to hockey or hockey players. Football, baseball, basketball, etc. you name it. Same thing with musicians.

I'm a female and an athlete. Nothing surprises me. I will say however, many "bragging" situations are untrue. Regardless, one female to 10 or more guys would be seen as a violation more times than not, as booze/ drugs may be needed and impair judgement. I used to sit in an ice rink and force SafeSport training on unwilling parents, volunteers, etc . They would say shit like, "you know me" and then call me a c**t when I wouldn't provide access to the girls locker rooms, or the boys locker rooms for that matter. It's not just the players, it's the communities, also. Enough is never done to prevent these tragedies.

 

[Pantokrator]

I read that the NHL is interested in the details - I was just wondering what connection the NHL has with Hockey Canada. Is it just so they know how to handle possible former NHL players from that team, or is it deeper than that? Sorry for my ignorance.

 

[pearljamvs5]

When girls throw themselves at male celebrities, the general sentiment is "you go girl, shoot your shot" regardless of who the girl is.

When guys throw themselves at female celebrities, the general sentiment is "ew what a creeper" unless the guy is attractive enough.

So is it OK for the women celebrities to have 0 respect for the men who chase after them?

How many of these "woman celebrities" film a group of themselves having non-consensual "sex" with this hypothetically unconscious male while spewing abhorrent misandry?

 

[red devil]

I am sure they will be quick to tweet a trade as quickly as they can.

Speaking of that, they just did of course