isolating this to hockey is where the convo loses meaning. individually sports at the governance down to organizational level have to have to look internally and self assess issues for sure. but the problem is far from "hockey culture". taking advantage of status is a much broader issue - you see this from politicians, teachers, religious leaders, celebrities, uber-wealthy, elite athletes across the sporting spectrum etc. its fair to say hockey needs to be better, thats a positive - be a leader in owning its wrongs and taking a meaningful stance to police itself to a much higher standard. thats a great thing. but anyone thinking oh its just hockey that has dark secrets is taking a narrow and misguided stance on the broader issue and ignores reality - it gives the connotation that this is everywhere in the sport when thats simply not true. no abuse is acceptable, but that doesnt mean the issue is at all common in the sport as a whole. keep your own house clean, that needs to be hockeys mission. but fans who bury the sport need to look around and see the issue for what it is - a pattern reflected everywhere in society by some individuals within all populations of people who hold a position of status in their respective fields.
Canada's 2003 world hockey junior team also accused of group sexual assault
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isolating this to hockey is where the convo loses meaning. individually sports at the governance down to organizational level have to have to look internally and self assess issues for sure. but the problem is far from "hockey culture". taking advantage of status is a much broader issue - you see this from politicians, teachers, religious leaders, celebrities, uber-wealthy, elite athletes across the sporting spectrum etc. its fair to say hockey needs to be better, thats a positive - be a leader in owning its wrongs and taking a meaningful stance to police itself to a much higher standard. thats a great thing. but anyone thinking oh its just hockey that has dark secrets is taking a narrow and misguided stance on the broader issue and ignores reality - it gives the connotation that this is everywhere in the sport when thats simply not true. no abuse is acceptable, but that doesnt mean the issue is at all common in the sport as a whole. keep your own house clean, that needs to be hockeys mission. but fans who bury the sport need to look around and see the issue for what it is - a pattern reflected everywhere in society by some individuals within all populations of people who hold a position of status in their respective fields.
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I don’t think anyone is saying it’s just hockey. However, it certainly appears there is a real problem with Hockey Canada.
Looks like HC has known about this type of behaviour for quite sometime. They may not have known about this incident but to have a fund to settle sexual assault cases sure says a lot about this org. This isn’t the first time.
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There’s a name in that group of players from my hometown that I won’t say but honestly wouldn’t surprise me.
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Not condoning what Logan Mallioux did but when the hockey world was ‘shocked’ this kid was drafted and he was roasted for a year for sharing the pic I said there must be hundreds of players shitting bricks and hoping they got away with much, much worse.
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I think because the NHL and Canadian Junior leagues market the game and it's players as a much more "family friendly" product than other sports and even other forms of entertainment.
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NHL prospect Ben Johnson was convicted in 2016 of sexually assaulting a 16-year-old girl in a bathroom stall at a Windsor, Ontario, club in March 2013 when he was 18. He was sentenced to three years in prison.
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Oh I get it, I’m just not surprised that this shit has/is happening.
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A number of people seem to have said something happened. Whether the alleged victim is among them I don’t know. Might be I missed that.
Why would lying about rape be so much worse than rape?? What are you talking about?
Some big names on that team. Carlo Coleacovo could finally be taken off the air if he’s involved.
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The answer is obvious. So a person lies and that lie destroys another's life - and you don't get it? Geeez.
I think it's kind of relevant for many reasons. Just saw something on CBC a few minutes ago with Carcillo talking about it and other abuse in hockey. He said at 17 he hadn't been exposed to group sex but after going away for hockey it seemed to be very common (I believe he was saying consensual too).
If we don't hear about this, some posters here immediately assume any group/gang sex has to be a rape.
1) Tootoo/Carcillo and others shedding light on it can be helpful to explain what the culture is actually like...it may also explain the 2018 incident it and lend support that those situations are "common" and often consensual
2) there's a spectrum for these incidents or assaults too:
A) could be consensual like Carcillo/Tootoo are saying
B) it could be something like what 2018 may be, ie something that was consensual and became something else. Ie not meeting the newer definitions on consent (not being into it, not engaging, being silent, etc) vs older expectations of firmly saying no/stop/etc
C) or it could be something like they're saying for 2003 ... Which if they get that video and she was unconscious, these guys should be going to jail
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Half the team played for the Leafs. Bell, White, Lupul, Wellwood…
I’ll just assume they were all involved unless I hear a twitter statement from each of them individually over the next few days.
Yes...plus you'd be hard pressed to find a willing participant to be disrespected, violated, carelessly f*c*ed and discarded by a group of men. That's why these are gang rapes and the victim is plied with drugs, booze, often to the point of unconsciousness. Why do these guys want to wave their di*ks around in front of a crowded room anyway? It's so disturbing that I need another word for disturbing.
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May be true. Why do some of them still feel the need to gang rape an unconscious teenager? Are those women are the dugout looking to have multiple men attack them while they are unconscious.
This thread is painful. There's zero chance this victim is a gold digger. It's three players stating that other players showed them a video of the incident. The victim hasn't even come forward yet.
That excerpt is strange validation for all of those years of not liking the guy.
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In the context of a hockey board, about hockey players, I think it's ok. I don't think anyone is saying "hockey to the exclusion of others sports and/or areas of society". I think in practical terms, the line of argument you went down only serves to obstruct the issue at hand, with the exception of addressing specific comments/people that blatantly proclaim hockey is the exception.
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It should carry double an actual rape sentence??? Where a person forcefully uses someone’s body for their own gratification and destroys another’s life?
Geeeeez
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I guess that’s what they are going to try to figure out.
Nice, ya il do the same. Although I’m pretty sure Lupul was on Anaheim at the time.
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Still waiting on you to provide a source for your outlandish "false rape claims are very common" comment
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