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WJC: Canada-Russia Series

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clarkebr said:
I see five D from WHL
Guhle is going to make some noise for the fifth spot
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I liked Guhle's game also. Fluid skater, can fly on the ice. Joins the rush very well and very good offensive instinct. Some concerns about his D play but I think he'll get an invite to the ain camp, he surprised me a lot.
 
For the Russian fans, is Trenin expected to play at all this series? Was hoping to get a glimpse of him.
 
Yakushev72 said:
Poor goaltending from Tretiak took them out of it in the first period, but zero is zero. This team has no offense, no spark, no fight, no nothing. The only one really battling is Dergachev. Except for Provorov, and I'm not even sure about him, no Russians from the WHL or OHL will make the U20 national team. Starting in the West may have had some effect on it, because it took 30 hours of travel just to get there. The purpose of this tournament is to winnow out those who can't play at the WJC level, and it has probably been effective from that viewpoint.
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My question to you is:
Why doesn't Russia send its close to the best team over
This is far better than playing some meaningless four nations u 20 tournament
Six quality games to build a team for the real championship in January
Why send over a dis functional team that seem to be playing for a pay check to support minor hockey back home
Canada would never go over to Russia to lose
Never.
I just don 't understand Russian logic
 
Business reasons most likely. The 4-Nations tournament is much shorter, while the KHL season is ongoing.

The first few (3-4) years of the SSS, Russians sent in completely awful teams. I would say that this year's team is not bad on paper - just not performing. Nevertheless Tretiak's inclusion clearly indicates that they are not taking this event very seriously.
 
JackSlater said:
Well yes, that's the worst case scenario.
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In my view there is 'no best case scenario' for Strome. He has heavy, slow feet which at the junior level he is able to mask with his edge in size and puck control skills. In the NHL, he will be playing against players who are just as big and strong as him, but who much are much faster. It may be early, but I think he projects into another one of those high scoring juniors' who fail to make an impact in the NHL. You are always gambling when you draft a player with acknowledged skating defects where you are hoping that the player's skating will improve. When you pick a player like that in the top 3, you are going beyond mere gambling. Unfortunately, Team Canada officials will probably be seduced by Strome's scoring statistics in the OHL. On the bigger ice, where mobility is at a premium in executing both offensive and defensive responsibilities, Strome will be exposed.
 
ChesterNimitz said:
In my view there is 'no best case scenario' for Strome. He has heavy, slow feet which at the junior level he is able to mask with his edge in size and puck control skills. In the NHL, he will be playing against players who are just as big and strong as him, but who much are much faster. It may be early, but I think he projects into another one of those high scoring juniors' who fail to make an impact in the NHL. You are always gambling when you draft a player with acknowledged skating defects where you are hoping that the player's skating will improve. When you pick a player like that in the top 3, you are going beyond mere gambling. Unfortunately, Team Canada officials will probably be seduced by Strome's scoring statistics in the OHL. On the bigger ice, where mobility is at a premium in executing both offensive and defensive responsibilities, Strome will be exposed.
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I don't disagree with that, but Canada is likely going to be missing its top four centres (McDavid, Bennett, Fabbri, McCann) and options are limited. My hope is that Strome is surrounded with swift wingers like Beauvillier.
 
clarkebr said:
My question to you is:
Why doesn't Russia send its close to the best team over
This is far better than playing some meaningless four nations u 20 tournament
Six quality games to build a team for the real championship in January
Why send over a dis functional team that seem to be playing for a pay check to support minor hockey back home
Canada would never go over to Russia to lose
Never.
I just don 't understand Russian logic
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There are a lot of guys to take a look at in international competition. They can't send 50 or 60 guys to Canada to play in this tournament. Winning this tournament is completely irrelevant and unimportant. The main mission is to use it as a tool to select the right guys for the WJC.
 
clarkebr said:
My question to you is:
Why doesn't Russia send its close to the best team over
This is far better than playing some meaningless four nations u 20 tournament
Six quality games to build a team for the real championship in January
Why send over a dis functional team that seem to be playing for a pay check to support minor hockey back home
Canada would never go over to Russia to lose
Never.
I just don 't understand Russian logic
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Why should Russia send a close to best team over? What is it? A World Champinship Olympics Cup? It's a small tournament of friendly games.

Why is it better than the same type tournament in Europe? I guess say team Finland in the four nations u20 tournment might be better than any of the CHL teams.

The russian team is not disfunctional it's just the rsoter that is there this year due to a number of factors and decisions.

The most important factor is the KHL. Players that are regulars in the KHL have already played their KHL games after the four nations tournament und haven't travelled around the globe. That's what the federation should do. After all the KHL releases the players for the WJC, while it could act like the NHL. No need to drag those guys to Canada for a tournament just a month before the WJC. If they are good enought for the KHL, they are good enough for the WJC anyway.

Enetrtaining canadian fans is not exactly the goal of the FHR, nor is it for the U20 coaching staff. Splitting the roster in half is obviously affecting the result, but there is one major tournament for that team. It's the WJC.

clarkebr said:
Canada would never go over to Russia to lose
Never.
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I hope not everybody in Canada is that obsessed with winning friendly games. Maybe we should send one team to the 4 nations tournament next year.

For the sake of win-ning!:sarcasm:
 
clarkebr said:
My question to you is:
Why doesn't Russia send its close to the best team over
This is far better than playing some meaningless four nations u 20 tournament
Six quality games to build a team for the real championship in January
Why send over a dis functional team that seem to be playing for a pay check to support minor hockey back home
Canada would never go over to Russia to lose
Never.
I just don 't understand Russian logic
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How is Russia acting differently than Canada here? Why is Canada always split into 3 teams (some of which have looked 'disfunctional') instead of playing with its 'close to the best team'?

Winning is great, but that's not the ultimate objective of the SSS. Evaluating players is.
 
Zine said:
How is Russia acting differently than Canada here? Why is Canada always split into 3 teams (some of which have looked 'disfunctional') instead of playing with its 'close to the best team'?

Winning is great, but that's not the ultimate objective of the SSS. Evaluating players is.
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Lots of good responses here
Absolutely it is considered an evaluation and actually a set of games that doesn't do much of anything for Canada
Does anyone seriously think Colin Shirley is going to come out of woodwork and make the Canadian team.
This team is already picked.
My point was not what we do but how you could do yourselves much better by finding what works rather than find out what doesn't work


Bring over your guns and mix it with the top playing juniors in Canada and do your selves a whole lot better for it
 
clarkebr said:
Lots of good responses here
Absolutely it is considered an evaluation and actually a set of games that doesn't do much of anything for Canada
Does anyone seriously think Colin Shirley is going to come out of woodwork and make the Canadian team.
This team is already picked.
My point was not what we do but how you could do yourselves much better by finding what works rather than find out what doesn't work


Bring over your guns and mix it with the top playing juniors in Canada and do your selves a whole lot better for it
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I think they did that for 5 years and won 2 or 3 of these warm-up tournaments in the process. Perhaps this year they simply decided to take a different approach to prepping for the WJC.

I'm not a fan of this November series to begin with. I'd like to see the whole thing scrapped and Hockey Canada to come up with something else. Maybe they will if they can't find another main tournament sponsor.

but I'll watch my one and only game this evening...tuning in to see Chychrun.
 
Mr Writer said:
I think they did that for 5 years and won 2 or 3 of these warm-up tournaments in the process. Perhaps this year they simply decided to take a different approach to prepping for the WJC.

I'm not a fan of this November series to begin with. I'd like to see the whole thing scrapped and

Hockey Canada to come up with something else. Maybe they will if they can't find another main tournament sponsor.






but I'll watch my one and only game this evening...tuning in to see Chychrun.
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It should be scrapped but the only way this format works if it is Russia involved
The USA would not be able to make the commitment and I don't see beating each other up
 
clarkebr said:
It should be scrapped but the only way this format works if it is Russia involved
The USA would not be able to make the commitment and I don't see beating each other up
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1 location changing every year, 3 games in total with only those players participating who have legitimate shots at making the Christmas roster. I'd prefer the U.S. as the opposition, but that's just me.
 
What the hell is going on? There are other goaltenders listed on the roster, but Tretiak is back in goal tonight, and once again, gave up a bad goal in the first minute. His favorite times to give up easy goals are in the first minute and 19th minute of a period. I really don't understand what Bragin is trying to do here. Please don't tell me that he has already made a final decision to stick with Tretiak throughout the WJC (or maybe someone at a higher level has made it for him).
 
Russia is lacking in big, skilled bodies - Svechnikov, Kamenev, Guryanov, Korshkov are not available. Not enough power and explosiveness on this roster. Too many passengers.

Also no Shaprizyanov, Sergeev to play defense in this game which is a shame.
 
JackSlater said:
I don't disagree with that, but Canada is likely going to be missing its top four centres (McDavid, Bennett, Fabbri, McCann) and options are limited. My hope is that Strome is surrounded with swift wingers like Beauvillier.
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I believe its likely that Marner will be on Strome's right side (Marner has great agility but his game isn't really based on speed...his skating style is reminiscent of Patrick Kane) and either Crouse or Dal Colle on the left side. I'm somewhat skeptical as to how Strome will perform on the international ice but overall if the coaching staff deploys him with linemates who suit his methodical, patient, possession style of play, I expect him to be fine. Much like the Getzlaf line at Sochi, a Strome line may be a good change of pace from faster, attacking offensive players like Point, Barzal, Beauvillier, Konecny, etc.
 
Fantomas said:
Russia is up 1-0 in the game I am watching and Trushkov is playing.
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My mistake! I turned on a previously recorded game. I'm glad - I know Bragin is not that crazy. No deja vu all over. Looks like it is a better game for Russia so far.
 
Fantomas said:
Russia is lacking in big, skilled bodies - Svechnikov, Kamenev, Guryanov, Korshkov are not available. Not enough power and explosiveness on this roster. Too many passengers.

Also no Shaprizyanov, Sergeev to play defense in this game which is a shame.
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Lauta is a case in point! Pathetic.
 
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