Can Bedard challenge for Peter Forsbergs record?

[Zerotonine]

Forsberg was litterally 19 years old when he set that record. Like some one else has said today any one player with the talent to beat that record isn't playing at that tourney.















Imagine Crosby or mcdavid playing thus tournament at the age of 19??? They would probably hit 40 pts in 7 games.







Let's also not forget how far international hockey has come. There is more talent on other countries now, they have come a long way.....

 

[TeamRenzo]

It is funny how Canadians downplay this incredible record. Give it props for scoring 31p in 7 games, it is an amazing feat.

LOL, when have "Canadians" ever down played this record?

 

[JackSlater]

Still makes no sense. That was also a crazy year that Japan made the top group of the world juniors and should not have been there. They lost games 20-1 and 16-0 and overall were outscored 83-9 for a -74 goal differential.

Could Bedard beat it? Not likely but not because of his age or not being good enough but because hockey world has become that much better since 1993 with teams like Germany and the Swiss being so much better among others.

I don't know why you need this spelled out for you more than a typical person. There were parts in the post that you quoted:

"Will Bedard get 31 points or more in at most 7 games? No." This means that Bedard will not get 31 points.

"In normal circumstances a player good enough to challenge that record will be in the NHL and not at the tournament." This means that players good enough to challenge the record are typically in the NHL. 17 year old Bedard is not good enough to challenge that record. 19 year old Bedard might be, but he will be in the NHL by then. Same with Crosby at 17 vs Crosby at 19 for example. Forsberg would have been in the NHL in normal circumstances given how good he was but he stayed in Sweden to play in the Olympics the next year.

Whatever you are saying is irrelevant to the post you quoted.

 

[Kshahdoo]

7 points vs Germany, 10 points vs Austria and here is the record. It's a very good WJC to beat scoring records...

 

[Statsy]

7 points vs Germany, 10 points vs Austria and here is the record. It's a very good WJC to beat scoring records...

He could have had 10 points vs Germany, but was actually sat for large parts of the third. That will factor in the record attempt as well. Canada won't be throwing Bedard out on third period PP's against Austria.

 

[beowulf]

I don't know why you need this spelled out for you more than a typical person. There were parts in the post that you quoted:

"Will Bedard get 31 points or more in at most 7 games? No." This means that Bedard will not get 31 points.

"In normal circumstances a player good enough to challenge that record will be in the NHL and not at the tournament." This means that players good enough to challenge the record are typically in the NHL. 17 year old Bedard is not good enough to challenge that record. 19 year old Bedard might be, but he will be in the NHL by then. Same with Crosby at 17 vs Crosby at 19 for example. Forsberg would have been in the NHL in normal circumstances given how good he was but he stayed in Sweden to play in the Olympics the next year.

Whatever you are saying is irrelevant to the post you quoted.

I don't agree with it being about age or is that too hard for you to understand?

 

[L4br3cqu3]

7 points vs Germany, 10 points vs Austria and here is the record. It's a very good WJC to beat scoring records...

Let's just say that slap in the face vs Cesko (obviously nothing against them cause they have quality players and their coach knew what to do) probably reined the whole team in the 'right' direction, so it should help Bedard in the long run.

 

[bottomofthefoodchain]

Of course you were watching that tourney on your telly back in ‘93.

Yes, television existed in 1993.

 

[Janvonpobben]

Still makes no sense. That was also a crazy year that Japan made the top group of the world juniors and should not have been there. They lost games 20-1 and 16-0 and overall were outscored 83-9 for a -74 goal differential.

Could Bedard beat it? Not likely but not because of his age or not being good enough but because hockey world has become that much better since 1993 with teams like Germany and the Swiss being so much better among others.

Here comes the japan excuse again. Bedard plays on an allstar team. Sweden had two good players on the 93 team.

Also it is a not a best of best WJC this year with Russia out.

 

[Janvonpobben]

Let's also not forget how far international hockey has come. There is more talent on other countries now, they have come a long way.....

look at the teams back then. Only Japan was bad.

austria + germany this year is awful. Plus no russian team. Bedard has easier competition.

 

[Gold Standard]

I'm starting to believe there's a chance!

 

[JackSlater]

I don't agree with it being about age or is that too hard for you to understand?

That is not what you said the whole time, but yes it is difficult to understand that someone could think that age is not a factor. Bedard will be much better at 19 than he is now, but he won't take a run at the record because he will be in the NHL. Forsberg would not have come close to scoring 31 points at the 1993 tournament had he still been 17.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

look at the teams back then. Only Japan was bad.

austria + germany this year is awful. Plus no russian team. Bedard has easier competition.

LOL- Germany was, literally, in that tournament. Quick look at the roster- no nhl drafted players. Japan wasn't bad that year, they were possibly the worst team to ever compete in top level wjc. Austria this year isn't even on that level, and the German team is probably on par with their 92 team (or better). Russia is 1 team, that we may not have played at all anyway.

I have no idea why if we're talking about records (or milestones) Bedard could reach this year we would bother mentioning the only untouchable one.

Most goals: Naslund 13 (Forsberg's winger)
Most goals U18: Sundstrom 10 (Forsberg's other winger)
Most goals Canada: Either 10 or 9 (depending on who you ask)
Most points Canada: 18 (Schenn)
Most pts U18: Jagr 18 ; or PPG: Gretzky 17pts/6gms 2.83

All reachable records. Naslund's will be the hardest obviously, needs 2 goals/gm to break it.
PS. Wonder how many goals Naslund scored in Sweden 20 to 1 beat down of Japan?.
Foppa had 7 assists, that's all i can find atm.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

Probably not: he’s not going to get 6-7 points a game against everyone. However getting into the top 5 all-time with 20+ points is certainly on the table, which would be very impressive as a 17 year old.

 

[MeHateHe]

As they say in court, answer the question as asked. Of course he "can challenge" Forsberg's record. I mean, he's playing in the tournament and will collect points.

If the question is "will he tie or break Forsberg's points record?", I would say the answer is almost certainly no.

 

[Staniowski]

The all-time WJC record for 17-year-olds is Jagr, with 18....and for 17-year-old Canadians, Lindros, with 17 (32 years ago). So, Bedard will have a good shot at these records.

He is certainly the biggest 17-year-old star for Canada since Lindros.

 

[ORRFForever]

Fantilli can't catch a break out there.

 

[jj cale]

Fantilli can't catch a break out there.

I feel bad for him, hopefully he can score a goal and contribute on a nice goal so he can get his confidence going.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

The all-time WJC record for 17-year-olds is Jagr, with 18....and for 17-year-old Canadians, Lindros, with 17 (32 years ago). So, Bedard will have a good shot at these records.

He is certainly the biggest 17-year-old star for Canada since Lindros.

You probably should mention that Gretzky scored 17 points at age sixteen in 1978.

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Canadian teams won't give their best players enough big minutes when games are out of hand. A regular shift, maybe, but not enough to beat old records from the days when teams kept throwing first unit PPs out in 18-0 games.

 

[Staniowski]

You probably should mention that Gretzky scored 17 points at age sixteen in 1978.

Yes, we can mention the records for each age:
16 - Gretzky - 17 points
17 - Jagr - 18 points
18 - Reichel - 21 points
19 - Forsberg - 31 points

Reichel also had the 2nd most points for 16-year-olds.

 

[Eye of Ra]

No. Bedard dont have a world class playmaker like Forsberg had in Niklas Sundström, feeding him all those magical passes.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

Bedard requires 17 more points to tie Forsberg, with a maximum of 4 more games all against decent opponents: 4.25ppg required.

Realistically this isn't going to happen...Canada will almost certainly have 1 or 2 lower scoring games where
Bedard only gets 2 or 3 points maximum.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

No. Bedard dont have a world class playmaker like Forsberg had in Niklas Sundström, feeding him all those magical passes.

Also we can’t forget NASLUND haha

 

[authentic]

I do expect to be disappointed.

He's probably the first non-leaf player I will be trying to actively watch the majority of games for next year, whoever he gets drafted for.

I wonder how good he ends up when it's said and done.

He's just been above Mcdavid/Crosby at every WJC he's played in compared to their ages. He's having an insane Draft year at ~2.3ppg in the WHL with poor linemates.

He needs to be a ppg+ player as a rookie to be living up to his expectations (from the majority of the hockey world)

Well considering McDavid was 3rd or 4th in points per game as a rookie I don’t think Bedard will compare to McDavid. He will clearly be over a point per game as we have nearly 100 players doing that now. I don’t know what to expect but I think he’ll be like a better version of Stamkos in his prime.