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C William Nylander (2014, 8th, TOR) VI

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Nizdizzle said:
I believe this is false, if the NHL wants to then they can keep the player in the OHL/AHL/NHL...etc, etc. Its not up to the player.
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Yeah, that never made sense to me when poster here said they had no choice. I don't know why a professional team would allow the IIHF to what they want with a player that they already have under contract.

Personally, I would keep Nylander in the AHL. Better to have 2-3 weeks of good habits playing with the minor affiliate rather than playing against inferior competition and reverting to bad habits. I've watched almost every marlies game, he's getting better and better without the puck; why spoil that progress for a tournament that we all know he's too good for.
 
The Caps did not release Robert Burakovsky, just before or just after he was sent down for a spell in the AHL. The Swedes were ticked.
 
Another point gets an assist in a 1-0 win 20 points 15 games tied for league lead in scoring with Joe Whitney
 
The Beyonder said:
I don't know if it's misinformation, but on multiple occasions poster have mentioned that if an eligible WJC player is playing in the AHL, then the major team has no choice but to release him based on IIHF agreements. Based on posts of Bob and some now recent posters in this thread, it seems like the leafs have a choice of whether he stays on the marlies or goes. So which is it? Do the marlies have a say or do they have no choice in the matter?
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Nizdizzle said:
I believe this is false, if the NHL wants to then they can keep the player in the OHL/AHL/NHL...etc, etc. Its not up to the player.
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It's true.

The Caps broke the agreement last season with Burakovsky and Sweden was pissed.

Who knows if the NHL will allow the Leafs to do the same
 
Nizdizzle said:
I believe this is false, if the NHL wants to then they can keep the player in the OHL/AHL/NHL...etc, etc. Its not up to the player.
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The leafs do have a difinitive say about it, if he plays with the leafs. The agreement is between the NHL and the Swedsh hockey federation. There are of course ways around it (see Burakovsky last season) and the player himself must be willing to go (which probably won't be the case if the Leafs tells him not to go).

I do however think the chance of him playing another WJC tournament is very, very small. Maybe that opens up for his brother.
 
Little ticked about it, seems like its becoming a trend. Young Canadian kid in the AHL, of course they are released. European players? Never released...
 
Ola said:
Little ticked about it, seems like its becoming a trend. Young Canadian kid in the AHL, of course they are released. European players? Never released...
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If it's a Canadian conspiracy, it's a poor one. No country has had to do without junior-eligible players at the WJCs like Canada has. No other country is even in the same ballpark.
 
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67Cup said:
The Caps did not release Robert Burakovsky, just before or just after he was sent down for a spell in the AHL. The Swedes were ticked.
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Burakovsky was up with the Capitals I thought though at the time when team Sweden said the Caps needed to make a choice. The Caps said he was staying in the NHL but sent him down shortly after.

Not sure if its changed or not but I'm pretty sure the AHL teams have to send him. It used to be like that at least, not sure if its changed
 
Macman said:
If it's a Canadian conspiracy, it's a poor one. No country has had to do without junior-eligible players at the WJCs like Canada has. No other country is even in the same ballpark.
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But you're talking about missing players who became legit NHLers in their teens, which Canada has the most of. It's not the same thing.
 
Ola said:
Little ticked about it, seems like its becoming a trend. Young Canadian kid in the AHL, of course they are released. European players? Never released...
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Why should he miss 8 games? Why risk cooling him down? He is playing at a HIGH level right now
 
Although Ehlers is having a pretty amazing season himself, I'd still rather Nylander spend the rest of the season with the Marlies and polish himself as much as possible.

I think, for development purposes, I'd rather see him put up 20 points in 15 games in the A than 10 points in 20 games in the bigs. He just needs a little more time to polish his game and then he will come out flying next year with a similar impact to Forsberg and MacKinnon in their rookie seasons IMO. This year will do wonders for him if he can nail his 2 way game down while being the #1C for an entire year. He'll be able to transition staight into #2C next year rather than working his way up on wing this year.
 
Ola said:
Little ticked about it, seems like its becoming a trend. Young Canadian kid in the AHL, of course they are released. European players? Never released...
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Your frustration is understandable. It always sucks when your country's got a great looking team on paper for the WJC, but some of your best players get left behind.

But to be fair, Nylander was the best player on his team and a near-PPG player in the SHL last year at 18 years of age, and this year at 19 years of age he's again the best player on his team (and is leading the league in scoring) in another high-level professional hockey league where he's playing against grown men.

So, taking that into consideration, I can understand if the Leafs take the position that it's not in his best interest developmentally to interrupt his season to send him to a tournament where he'll be taking a step back to play against a bunch of 17-19 year old kids. And let's face it---as much as I love the WJC, at least half of the round robin portion of the tournament is top teams like Canada and Sweden racking up easy blow-out wins against countries that are icing significantly inferior teams to the top-level countries.

As for Canadian kids vs. European players, if the Leafs weren't barred from sending a CHL player like Mitch Marner to the AHL next year, I imagine they probably would. And if Marner was leading the AHL in scoring and centering the team's #1 line like Nylander is this year, I don't think they'd be sending him to the WJC either.
 
The Mentalist said:
Dont be surprised, but I expect Nylander to be called up at approximately the 20 game mark, if Kadri continues to struggle to put up points. Leafs need more production than from just one of their top 6 centers(Bozak). It would be silly to keep Nylander down in the AHL when he can help the NHL team.
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I'd be shocked if they brought him to the Leafs. Everything Dubas has said about Nylander has indicated he will stay with the Marlies all year, that they want him overripe and that he won't be with the Leafs this year. They had an in-depth interview with the MapleLeafs Hotstove blog about this about a week ago.

I'd expect to see Nylander in the NHL in the 2016-2017 season or 2017-2018 season, but not this year.
 
Canada4Gold said:
Andre Burakovsky
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My bad. Andre it is. That's a brain cramp on my part. Robert is his father. Some posters will remember that Robert had a long European career and a season in North America. He had success in the AHL and a stint with Ottawa. I don't recall why he didn't give the game here a longer effort.
 
LeafGm said:
Your frustration is understandable. It always sucks when your country's got a great looking team on paper for the WJC, but some of your best players get left behind.

But to be fair, Nylander was the best player on his team and a near-PPG player in the SHL last year at 18 years of age, and this year at 19 years of age he's again the best player on his team (and is leading the league in scoring) in another high-level professional hockey league where he's playing against grown men.

So, taking that into consideration, I can understand if the Leafs take the position that it's not in his best interest developmentally to interrupt his season to send him to a tournament where he'll be taking a step back to play against a bunch of 17-19 year old kids. And let's face it---as much as I love the WJC, at least half of the round robin portion of the tournament is top teams like Canada and Sweden racking up easy blow-out wins against countries that are icing significantly inferior teams to the top-level countries.

As for Canadian kids vs. European players, if the Leafs weren't barred from sending a CHL player like Mitch Marner to the AHL next year, I imagine they probably would. And if Marner was leading the AHL in scoring and centering the team's #1 line like Nylander is this year, I don't think they'd be sending him to the WJC either.
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That's what makes me the most excited about this kid. He's been elite everywhere he has played, and it wasn't against kids. He also continues to grow every game, you can tell he's rounding out his game into a complete one.
 
BuckyDornster said:
I'd be shocked if they brought him to the Leafs. Everything Dubas has said about Nylander has indicated he will stay with the Marlies all year, that they want him overripe and that he won't be with the Leafs this year. They had an in-depth interview with the MapleLeafs Hotstove blog about this about a week ago.

I'd expect to see Nylander in the NHL in the 2016-2017 season or 2017-2018 season, but not this year.
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he might get 9 games at the end of the season, but yeah he probably plays most of the year in the ahl and hopefully wins the calder cup. He is a lock to make the team next year, if the team sends him down again next year, i would ask for a trade if i were him. He is an good nhl player today, and next year hopefully he will be a great nhl player
 
TheFinnishTrap said:
Just a side note, Mikko Rantanen (drafted 2015) is scoring at a 1,3 PPG rate. Nylander is scoring at a 1,36 PPG rate.
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That's great! Im a fan of Rantanen's. They are only separated by about 5 months so bringing up draft years doesn't really mean much

On a side note, 2014 leafs have pick #8 was considering to move down to draft Larkin. No deal was made.

2015, Leafs have pick #4, Leafs looked into trading down and the player they were looking into if they did was Rantanen.
 
sessiroth said:
That's great! Im a fan of Rantanen's. They are only separated by about 5 months so bringing up draft years doesn't really mean much

On a side note, 2014 leafs have pick #8 was considering to move down to draft Larkin. No deal was made.

2015, Leafs have pick #4, Leafs looked into trading down and the player they were looking into if they did was Rantanen.
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No, I think it was Provorov.
 
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