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C William Nylander (2014, 8th, TOR) VI

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sessiroth said:
That's great! Im a fan of Rantanen's. They are only separated by about 5 months so bringing up draft years doesn't really mean much

On a side note, 2014 leafs have pick #8 was considering to move down to draft Larkin. No deal was made.

2015, Leafs have pick #4, Leafs looked into trading down and the player they were looking into if they did was Rantanen.
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I can honestly say I am glad we didn't make neither deal even with Lsrkin in the NHL now Nylander will be better shortly Same with Marner.

Marner is even better than Nylander and that's scary

Both will be stars
 
TMLFC said:
and/or the double space between Sez and William. :laugh:
We are a picky bunch aren't we.
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Yes you are, especially when the guy who originated this line of complaining didn't think about things hard enough to figure out that the word was shortened due to twitters character limit.
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I can honestly say I am glad we didn't make neither deal even with Lsrkin in the NHL now Nylander will be better shortly Same with Marner.

Marner is even better than Nylander and that's scary

Both will be stars
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I agree, the point was even when we look to trade down, we are looking at picking up a future quality player, unlike the past. It's really just giving credit to our new scouting team if anything
 
TheFinnishTrap said:
Just a side note, Mikko Rantanen (drafted 2015) is scoring at a 1,3 PPG rate. Nylander is scoring at a 1,36 PPG rate.
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Rantanen 13 points in 10 games (Oct 1996) 1.30 ppg
Nylander 20 points in 15 games (May 1996) 1.33 ppg


Meh, I'd rather have Nylander. But Rantanen should get praise for doing this in his first season in the AHL. Rantanen should be a beauty of a player.
 
sessiroth said:
I'm pretty sure everyone knew on draft day that Phili was taking him at 6. It was mentioned before hand that Phili's GM had him ranked as the best player after McEichel. CBJ pick doesn't get you Provorov.
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1. Philly was drafting 7th.
2. The idea that Toronto was looking at drafting down is pure speculation. The idea that Toronto was looking at drafting down for a specific player (Provorov or Rantanen) even more so.
 
Hero said:
Rantanen 13 points in 10 games (Oct 1996) 1.30 ppg
Nylander 20 points in 15 games (May 1996) 1.33 ppg


Meh, I'd rather have Nylander. But Rantanen should get praise for doing this in his first season in the AHL. Rantanen should be a beauty of a player.
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I took a look at Rantanen's stat line today and noticed that this is the first year he's ever been a + player. I wonder what that's about...
I always find it strange when the top players have minus ratings in inferior leagues. Really, they should have gaudy +s
 
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Hero said:
Rantanen 13 points in 10 games (Oct 1996) 1.30 ppg
Nylander 20 points in 15 games (May 1996) 1.33 ppg


Meh, I'd rather have Nylander. But Rantanen should get praise for doing this in his first season in the AHL. Rantanen should be a beauty of a player.
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Nylander is on his 2nd year and Rantanen on his 1st, also Rantanen is a 2way winger who has the potential to be one of the best 2way wingers one day.
Different players but both very promising.

Tank Commander said:
I took a look at Rantanen's stat line today and noticed that this is the first year he's ever been a + player. I wonder what that's about...
I always find it strange when the top players have minus ratings in inferior leagues. Really, they should have gaudy +s
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He played in Turku, there's the short answer to your question :laugh:
 
Macman said:
If it's a Canadian conspiracy, it's a poor one. No country has had to do without junior-eligible players at the WJCs like Canada has. No other country is even in the same ballpark.
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Hehe, you could be right.

But just to be clear, are you talking about players in the AHL? It just seems like, every time I see a report about a kid in the AHL that can play in the WJCs, if the kid is Canadian he is released and if he is European he is not released. Quite possibly its some kind of confirmation bias, but...
 
Ola said:
Hehe, you could be right.

But just to be clear, are you talking about players in the AHL? It just seems like, every time I see a report about a kid in the AHL that can play in the WJCs, if the kid is Canadian he is released and if he is European he is not released. Quite possibly its some kind of confirmation bias, but...
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Can you give a few examples? I'm having a hard time thinking of any AHL players that weren't allowed to go to World Juniors (Canadian or European).

If it is true, its likely because there aren't any/many Canadian kids in the AHL since they have to be in the CHL until they've played 4 years or turned 20, and the Europeans come over to NA and can play in the AHL which is probably a better developmental league than playing in the WJC, since its so similar to the NHL.
 
Ola said:
Hehe, you could be right.

But just to be clear, are you talking about players in the AHL? It just seems like, every time I see a report about a kid in the AHL that can play in the WJCs, if the kid is Canadian he is released and if he is European he is not released. Quite possibly its some kind of confirmation bias, but...
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What Canadian player has been in the AHL and released for the tournament?

The only player I can think of is RNH, but that was during the lockout.
 
TheFatOne said:
How do you know that?

Nylander at the age of 17 was producing points in SHL....
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Watching their styles, Marner is a better player in traffic, and processes the game and makes plays faster. He feeds off the chaos that's created when several players are going for the puck, and often carries the puck into traffic to bait defenders to commit to him. I think that will translate better to the NHL, personally. Nylander plays more of a perimeter style, but he is a better skater and shooter, no doubt about that.

The beauty of them being on the same team is that their skills are complementary. Against a goalie that plays deep in his net Marner's in tight play may be less effective and call for a Nylander snipe from the faceoff dot. Against a more aggressive goalie that challenges a lot, the opposite. Should help the Leafs get consistent scoring.
 
Tank Commander said:
I took a look at Rantanen's stat line today and noticed that this is the first year he's ever been a + player. I wonder what that's about...
I always find it strange when the top players have minus ratings in inferior leagues. Really, they should have gaudy +s
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+/- is often (not just) a team stat, maybe his team didn't do well?
 
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Tank Commander said:
I took a look at Rantanen's stat line today and noticed that this is the first year he's ever been a + player. I wonder what that's about...
I always find it strange when the top players have minus ratings in inferior leagues. Really, they should have gaudy +s
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He was playing on a horrible team in Liiga last year as a 17/18 year old for what is worth. In my opinion he is one of the best defensive forward from the 2015 draft. Even with the Avalanche to start the year he was probably one of the 3 forwards I trusted the most defensively on the team.
 
Ovate said:
1. Philly was drafting 7th.
2. The idea that Toronto was looking at drafting down is pure speculation. The idea that Toronto was looking at drafting down for a specific player (Provorov or Rantanen) even more so.
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There's video evidence showing toronto offering the 4th pick to columbus :laugh:
 
Tomas W said:
Nylander have a bit of a connection with Canada, I give you that. I give you 10 % claim on him. ;)
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If anything the USA has the biggest developmental claim on him. Played on travel teams all over before he went over to Sweden at 16 I'm pretty sure.
 
93LEAFS said:
it exists, but its unclear how serious the leafs were. For all we know it was a contingency if Marner goes 3, then they move down and get Werenski or Barzal at 8.
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Yeah once Arizona picked Strome Toronto never called back. Everyone and their mother knew how high Toronto was on Marner, especially with the Hunter connection.

It makes the most sense that Toronto trading down was contingent on Marner being available or not.
 
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