C Trent Frederic (2016, 29th, BOS)
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Frederic looked very good in UW's loss to WI today. 1 goal, three assists, and some nice plays besides. Saw some excellent puck handling skills, nice (and in one case, terrific) passing skills, above average skating speed with good edges. On top of that he has nice size, with a long reach. Maybe I just happened to see a game where was on fire, but he looked better than Kunin and White.
I also think his game will translate to the Pros. Seemed to have good positioning, and always had his feet under him...good poise. Don't know how physical he is, but at the college level there aren't too many players who are going to be moving him. I don't see him being anywhere near as physical as Backes. Not nearly as thick. Stylistically, he looks more like a poor man's Toews.
Maybe, as big guy, he's starting to grow into his body and get better command of it. Not all players mature at the same age. We all want them to be fully formed at 17yo...that's simply not realistic.
bearcountry17
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A guy with his size, athleticism, and defensive instincts putting up points like he is is pretty impressive. He leads the University of Wisconsin in points with 3g-5a-8p in 5 games including a SH GWG last night. Hopefully he can keep it up and more than justify being drafted 29th. So far so good.
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BronxBruin
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Didn't you read the first 3 pages of this thread? He's a bum who will never amount to anything so don't come in here posting about how he is actually playing...there's no room for that sort of thing here.
Pavel Buchnevich
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I think a pick like this that was totally off the board that is starting to look like a good pick is a better job of drafting than taking a guy who everyone had in the same range all season as he was picked.
He was unfairly catching extreme backlash for the guys who appear to of been over drafted last year in Debrusk and Senyshyn.Didn't you read the first 3 pages of this thread? He's a bum who will never amount to anything so don't come in here posting about how he is actually playing...there's no room for that sort of thing here.
If you do not do what Bob Mackenzie says in Canada then that team is deemed to be off the list and are going be ridiculed. If thats the case, then right now as we were told over and over Connor/Barzal were way better then the Senyshyn pick. Both have not produced like how the projections and the bob mob said they would. Of course they are good players and deserved to be picked high and will produce but the riducule comparisons at the time were extreme. Hard to please the general public when a team picks for needs over BPA. Clearly that is what Sweeney has done the last few years and has done a very good job. The public is told there opinion and do not agree. Bruins are stacked at each position and only need to find a game breaker thru an internal riser or trade, the depth again can afford that option. There has been a lot of 1st round busts and a lot of late picks who turn out. Lists are important but the internal lists needs, scouting and interviews are more important. As for Frederick last week he lead the team in pts and is 2nd right now 8 pts in 6 games. Has size, skill and time to get better. Bergeron/Marchand were both second rounders.
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Magua
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Ummm...what? Connor and Barzal have been everything they were hyped to be since they were drafted. And then some. Konecny too for that matter, as he was often grouped with them in that range. But whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.
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I'll have you know they've played 9 NHL games. They've already peaked while Senyshyn is producing like a future superstar in the OHL.
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Atoyot
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Eh, it's actually been proven that an algorithm that drafts players based on point production performs better than actual scouts. That is to say that point production, weighted based on the league, predicts success better than draft ranking.
But yeah, appeal to authority, you know there are people everywhere that get paid to do jobs that they're bad at, right?
The Bruins' U.S scouting staff is above-average.
Last 5 years:
1st
McAvoy (14th)
Frederic (29th)
2nd
Forsbacka-Karlsson (45th)
Lindgren (49th)
Donato (56th)
3rd and later
Grzelcyk (85th)
Fitzgerald (120th)
Ferlin (121st)
Clarke (136th)
Bjork (146th)
Sherman (150th)
O'Gara (151st)
Hughes (165th)
Becker (195th)
Hargrove (205th)
Some really good value picks in there.
The Bruins' U.S scouts being among the best in the league doesn't change the fact that the rest of their scouting staff is below average, and selecting Zboril, DeBrusk and Senyshyn in the top 15 in 2015 was a massive scouting failure, especially given the names still on the board.
I agree about the scouting and they mainly scout the college ranks having very few Canadian scouts the last few years under Chiarelli, well other then his brother. It is starting to change. The guys they passed on are not exactly Laine, Matthews or McDavid. Bruins were not the only team that passed on them either. I am now wondering on the teams that failed by passing on Bjork, Carlo, O'Gara, Gabrielle, Heinen, Vatrano, Pastrnak, JFK, Lingren or McAvoy to name a few.
You missed the best one playing right now, Brandon Carlo at 6'5" taken 37th overall in the 2015 NHL Entry Draft . Top pairing dee, leads all rookies in the plus/minus at plus 6, the team is at minus 5, playing over 22 minutes a game. Playing in all situations against the best lines.
Zboril was taken were he was slotted by the so called experts and at two goals and five assists in nine games this year as a dee is doing good. Senyshyn had mono and his appendix removed and is getting back into form. Providence is very happy with DeBrusk, last year his stats were down in junior, new team and all. He was good in the memorial cup after he recovered from a brutal injury and worked his way back up on his new team. Taking a slapper to an exposed nut should stop anyone.
Anders Bjork was raising eyebrows at the team's Development Camp back in July. The forward's skill and scoring touch was apparent. Now, some two months later, the 20-year-old is making sure his talents show when it matters most.
Bjork, a 2014 fifth-round pick of the Bruins, is leading the nation in scoring with 16 points (seven goals, nine assists) in eight games for seventh-ranked Notre Dame. Over the weekend, in a split with Connecticut, the junior tallied two goals and two assists.
His three-point game (two goals, assist) in a 6-2 win over the Huskies Friday night gave him four multi-point games this season and 16 for his career.
Unsigned players like Krug, Vatrano and Acciari have done well as has Czarnik and a lesser extent Hickman.
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Looks like Frederic is putting together a nice freshman season, I just didn't like Boston's comments regarding the pick at the time.
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yeah....and the Bruins staff aren't those people
That is extremely extremely arguable.
The uproar about Frederic was not the pick itself, but rather that the Bruins scouts themselves said that they knew Frederic only had third line upside and they drafted him in the 1st round anyway. If he ends up anything better than a third liner, the Bruins plain and simple got lucky.
That is extremely extremely arguable.
The uproar about Frederic was not the pick itself, but rather that the Bruins scouts themselves said that they knew Frederic only had third line upside and they drafted him in the 1st round anyway. If he ends up anything better than a third liner, the Bruins plain and simple got lucky.
That was the director of scouting Keith Gretzky that said that and it was a stance was not supported by others in the room. He's is no longer with the team.
That is extremely extremely arguable.
The uproar about Frederic was not the pick itself, but rather that the Bruins scouts themselves said that they knew Frederic only had third line upside and they drafted him in the 1st round anyway. If he ends up anything better than a third liner, the Bruins plain and simple got lucky.
Nah, it isn't
They are better than you at evaluating talent, fact not opinion
So...all this defending of the pick and revival of the discussion is based on a two game hot streak and sample size in his post-draft year at the collegiate level? Considering, going by pretty simple math, prior to his four point night recently he was at 2 P in 3 games. Again, very early in the season, in his post-draft year, at the collegiate level.
...I mean, come on. I don't know how some of you guys live a daily life when you get worked up this easily.
SanDogBrewin
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Not cosidered a "massive failure" unless the players never make it to the NHL or don't last very long in the NHL. Niether has happened.
bearcountry17
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This is a thread to talk about Frederic. I didn't say anything but he's off to a good start. You on the other hand try to get personal. Who's really worked up here?,
Frederic is off to a good start, if he had 0 points through 6 games people would be declaring him a bust. He deserves a little credit for a great start.
I'm sorry that people talking about a hockey prospect playing well upsets you so much.
Um, aside from the clear-cut aggression and defensiveness you just resorted to over a post directed at nobody in particular...
Yeah, sure, nothing aggressive or sensationalist or reactionary through there. Not like he was directly referenced in comparison to Marchand, Toews, Backes, and Bergeron, the Senyshyn was held on equal footing to the Connor or Barzal picks, or as if there were any unnecessary and unusually aggressive personal attacks.
Yep, people definitely aren't hyping up a pick and overcompensating for past sleights about it by taking prime opportunity after a four point game heavily skew his stats early in his post-draft year to pump his tires and attack others.
No, definitely none of the above happening.
Tripod
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Happy to see the Flyers 6th rd pick from last year Laczynki, out producing Frederic.
Reality is, it's early. He is off to a good start.
Reality is, it's early. He is off to a good start.
