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C/RW Jonatan Berggren - Skelleftea, SWE JRs (2018, 33rd, DET)

He justs keep getting points. Now up to 40 points in 44 games.
I'm curious as to how he translates to the AHL / NHL ice.
 
I hope he is going to play in Detroit next season.
The Wings need talent badly and I think he's going to make an immediate impact (at least on the powerplay)
 
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Christoph53 said:
I hope he is going to play in Detroit next season.
The Wings need talent badly and I think he's going to make an immediate impact (at least on the powerplay)
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I'd be thrilled if he makes it out of camp, but I fully feel like he'll get a year in GR. If he were bigger, I'd feel like he had a better chance of making it right away. 5'11, 185 isn't super small, but he made need some NHL/AHL strength and conditioning before he gets a full shot. Next year I'm just hoping that Svech (if here), Ras, Seider, Cholo (if he keeps up his pace) and Smith make it full time.
 
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newfy said:
Lol Bertuzzi hasnt been on pace for under 50 points in like 3 years. We're gonna call him an average 40 point guy now?
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His totals the last 2 years... 47 and 48. The year prior he had 24 in 48.

Please explain to me how he isnt a 40 TO 50 pt player?
 
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Pavels Dog said:
This might be the most icetime and PP time that Larkin ever gets but if you think he's currently scoring at his peak potential you have a very different view of him than me.
Brome is a good example of a skilled guy getting fed top line minutes and not being able to produce. It's NOT a benefit for scoring to play on the Wings top line. Very few players can handle it.
Maybe Bert's icetime will be reduced in coming years but his numbers will likely improve. Again, expecting guys like Bertuzzi/Larkin to factor in on ~50% of team scoring is ridiculous. They're not going to get 70 points on a team that scores 140 goals.
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Bertuzzi iant getting anywhere close to 70pts ever and I'm bookmarking this when he doesn't come close to it in the future.

Hes a great player to have but no where close to the skill level to reach that point. On a good hockey team he's not getting PP time, especially not PP1.
 
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nbwingsfan said:
Bertuzzi iant getting anywhere close to 70pts ever and I'm bookmarking this when he doesn't come close to it in the future.

Hes a great player to have but no where close to the skill level to reach that point. On a good hockey team he's not getting PP time, especially not PP1.
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Dude on a good hockey team Bertuzzi is getting pp time lol. Sure maybe not pp1 but most definitely pp2
 
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nbwingsfan said:
His totals the last 2 years... 47 and 48. The year prior he had 24 in 48.

Please explain to me how he isnt a 40 TO 50 pt player?
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Because last season ended 12 games early due to covid? We're just not gonna take that into account?

Describing him as a 40 point player implies hes a lot less productive than he actually is, hes a legit top 6 forward that has paced for like 55 points the last two seasons on bad teams
 
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newfy said:
Because last season ended 12 games early due to covid? We're just not gonna take that into account?

Describing him as a 40 point player implies hes a lot less productive than he actually is, hes a legit top 6 forward that has paced for like 55 points the last two seasons on bad teams
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Exactly on bad teams where he will never get that time again
 
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Because pace is magical. Unicorn shit. I’m with you. You aren’t something until you have actually done it. If you need to bust out the word pace, you’ve already lost.
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I understand pace if youve proved otherwise, but a guy like Bert who hasnt ever put up over 50pts isnt a 50+ guy until he shows it.

Not sure why some people are so upset about saying hes a 40-50pt guy when that's exactly all hes done his career to date.

I love the player and hope we keep him but he isnt a 1st line talent.
 
nbwingsfan said:
Bertuzzi iant getting anywhere close to 70pts ever and I'm bookmarking this when he doesn't come close to it in the future.

Hes a great player to have but no where close to the skill level to reach that point. On a good hockey team he's not getting PP time, especially not PP1.
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You talk about it as if getting icetime on a powerplay scoring at 6% is some awesome opportunity.
2nd PP time on a good team is much, much, much better for production than 1st PP time on the Wings.

Please don't expect huge scoring from Berggren or Raymond (or Zadina, or Mantha, or, or, or) until the team as a whole improves. No one scores 70 Points on this team (as evidenced by Larkin's scoring, the one guy who has proven he actually CAN score 70 Points).
 
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You talk about it as if getting icetime on a powerplay scoring at 6% is some awesome opportunity.
2nd PP time on a good team is much, much, much better for production than 1st PP time on the Wings.

Please don't expect huge scoring from Berggren or Raymond (or Zadina, or Mantha, or, or, or) until the team as a whole improves. No one scores 70 Points on this team (as evidenced by Larkin's scoring, the one guy who has proven he actually CAN score 70 Points).
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And Bertuzzi isn't getting anywhere close to 70pts on any team ever and its idiotic to expect that.

Now back to Berggren.
 
TCNorthstars said:
Because pace is magical. Unicorn shit. I’m with you. You aren’t something until you have actually done it. If you need to bust out the word pace, you’ve already lost.
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If you need to be disingenuous, you've already lost. calling Bertuzzi a 40 point player because he scored in the high 40s while also not acknowledging that he played like 7/8s of a season in each of those seasons is definitely disingenuous. Not to mention he had 7 points in 9 games on this atrocity of a team to start the year and the moment he left the lineup our offense dried up completely from people he produces with.


As for Berggren I think to play with Bertuzzi they would need a center that wants to shoot the puck a lot.
 
Ezekial said:
If you need to be disingenuous, you've already lost. calling Bertuzzi a 40 point player because he scored in the high 40s while also not acknowledging that he played like 7/8s of a season in each of those seasons is definitely disingenuous. Not to mention he had 7 points in 9 games on this atrocity of a team to start the year and the moment he left the lineup our offense dried up completely from people he produces with.


As for Berggren I think to play with Bertuzzi they would need a center that wants to shoot the puck a lot.
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Apparently he has the second most assists ever for a 20 year old in history in the SHL/SEL. Henrik Sedin had 6 more than him in 2 more games. Really good play making company to be in
 
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