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C Quinton Byfield (2020, 2nd, LAK) part IV

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Raccoon Jesus said:
Then you should have stopped there.
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Is this what you call "trying to have good faith conversation with others"? You're just going to ignore my point because I, in good faith, admitted that I didn't realize that you were indirectly quoting someone? As I said, that doesn't change my point that you were wrong to go on and attribute that statement to the scouting video and "most people." If you didn't want to respond to that, you shouldn't have replied. Ignoring that point and replying only to be rude like this, as well as being rude to Herby and others, suggests that you're not just trying to have good conversation. It actually feels more like you're trying to end conversation.
 
Osprey said:
Is this what you call "trying to have good faith conversation with others"? You're just going to ignore my point because I, in good faith, admitted that I didn't realize that you were indirectly quoting someone? As I said, that doesn't change my point that you were wrong to go on and attribute that statement to the scouting video and "most people." If you didn't want to respond to that, you shouldn't have replied. Ignoring that point and replying only to be rude like this, as well as being rude to Herby and others, suggests that you're not just trying to have good conversation. It actually feels more like you're trying to end conversation.
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No, I'm going to ignore your point because you admittedly misread my response to another poster in order to 'correct' me and if this had happened only once I'd probably indulge you but I know better after all these years.

Byfield's 'rush' game in the pros isn't an issue and he isn't relying on it. He will clearly continue to work on the cycle and his neutral zone play but the idea that he will struggle scoring in other ways in the pros just doesn't seem like the issue based on what HAS gone in for him and if your complaint is that he's gong to score less rush goals in the NHL because it's not that kind of league, well, no kidding.
 
Montecristo said:
Not a kings fan but this guy looks like he has the potential to be an absoulute force. He had one shift/chance against the bruins that flashed how good he could be. Rick nashish
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Yep, those are the flashes that scream superstar.

It's the 'what are you doing the rest of the time' that's fair to question and open game for criticism--like how do we get you to think like you did on that shift the rest of the time? Those shifts scream "give me the puck, I'm the man, and we're going to get this done," and maybe he'll have 1-3 like that per game right now (many, many more in the AHL). The other 10 or so scream "I want to be a good teammate so I'm going to be extremely deferential and force a pass," or an attempted driveby pokecheck instead of a sealoff hit, or an attempt to cheat a little bit. More often than not, he's at least heady and playing good defense and not being a liability, so it's not like he's out there making a mess of things (except with the aforementioned bad line--those three together are absolutely toxic), but his learning curve right now is picking his spots, identifying coverage vs. opportunity, and consistency (both in play and mindset). Mental challenges of the NHL game. And IMO he's responding to them, just slowly and methodically. I know others vociferously disagree as you can see here.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Yep, those are the flashes that scream superstar.

It's the 'what are you doing the rest of the time' that's fair to question and open game for criticism--like how do we get you to think like you did on that shift the rest of the time? Those shifts scream "give me the puck, I'm the man, and we're going to get this done," and maybe he'll have 1-3 like that per game right now (many, many more in the AHL). The other 10 or so scream "I want to be a good teammate so I'm going to be extremely deferential and force a pass," or an attempted driveby pokecheck instead of a sealoff hit, or an attempt to cheat a little bit. More often than not, he's at least heady and playing good defense and not being a liability, so it's not like he's out there making a mess of things (except with the aforementioned bad line--those three together are absolutely toxic), but his learning curve right now is picking his spots, identifying coverage vs. opportunity, and consistency (both in play and mindset). Mental challenges of the NHL game. And IMO he's responding to them, just slowly and methodically. I know others vociferously disagree as you can see here.
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Yea I think its fair to say its disappointing hes not contributing points as a 2nd overall should. But at the same time he was always a project and does show flashes. Also there are arguments whether he should be sent down or not. Hes being sheltered heavily but I think hes kept up because his defensive play is fine and hes not getting outplayed in his own zone. The Kings really need him to reach his ceiling if they want to be a powerhouse in the future. This is about a year and a half away so there is time for him to settle in.
 
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Right now, he looks good until he has to make a decision.
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I wonder if this is one of those flaws where experience will improve his situational awareness, processing and decision making. It’s so weird how some players just get it, some players learn it to a certain degree and some players never get it.

And you can’t ever tell what’s going to happen in the early days. Stützle has the exact same problem, really hoping him and Byfield are able to put the pieces together. Some things Stützle do just boggles my mind. His terrible OT last game shows the poor decision making he has.
 
Akrapovince said:
I wonder if this is one of those flaws where experience will improve his situational awareness, processing and decision making. It’s so weird how some players just get it, some players learn it to a certain degree and some players never get it.

And you can’t ever tell what’s going to happen in the early days. Stützle has the exact same problem, really hoping him and Byfield are able to put the pieces together. Some things Stützle do just boggles my mind. His terrible OT last game shows at times he can make terrible reads, like I understand most people do but that was almost game costing.
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I dunno man, I thought he looked pretty good tonight. His line was the only one sustaining pressure more often than not, for once, the game just came crashing down on everyone. He was absolutely one of the best Kings though that's not saying much. He faded later in the game though.

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Raccoon Jesus said:
I dunno man, I thought he looked pretty good tonight. His line was the only one sustaining pressure more often than not, for once, the game just came crashing down on everyone. He was absolutely one of the best Kings though that's not saying much. He faded later in the game though.

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Any chance you’re willing to break down CF%rel for a dummy? Those look like pretty good analytical numbers for a huge loss.
 
COVID + LA Kings f***ed Byfield.
I had Byfield as my #1 pick in the draft. But I expected at least one more year of junior. he didn't get that.
This year, at most, he should have been playing for the Kings' AHL team.
Instead, he's playing center and showing absolutely zero skill or offensive IQ.

I mean, he looks OK as a forechecking 3C if you can excuse the defensive mistakes and gaffes.

I have no idea why the Kings are forcing him when he's clearly not ready.

This kid needed to DOMINATE the OHL. Never got the chance.
He needed to dominate the AHL. Never got a chance.

Instead, this guy who just bulldozed through 5'8 junior kids without having to hone and round out his skill has been sent almost straight to the NHL.

It's crazy. And the Kings have options. They could be using Kupari or Vilardi or Anderson-Dolan.

Crazy.
 
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Akrapovince said:
Any chance you’re willing to break down CF%rel for a dummy? Those look like pretty good analytical numbers for a huge loss.
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CF% is the ratio of shot attempts by your team vs by the other team when you are on the ice at even strength. So if your team takes 10 shots with you on the ice (including shots that are blocked or miss the net) and the other team only takes 5 while you're on the ice your Corsi is going to be 10/(10+5) or 66%. rel just means relative to teammates, 0 being average.

The Kings still had more shot attempts than the Sharks despite the big loss, but that margin was largest when Byfield was on the ice.
 
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MBH said:
COVID + LA Kings f***ed Byfield.
I had Byfield as my #1 pick in the draft. But I expected at least one more year of junior. he didn't get that.
This year, at most, he should have been playing for the Kings' AHL team.
Instead, he's playing center and showing absolutely zero skill or offensive IQ.

I mean, he looks OK as a forechecking 3C if you can excuse the defensive mistakes and gaffes.

I have no idea why the Kings are forcing him when he's clearly not ready.

This kid needed to DOMINATE the OHL. Never got the chance.
He needed to dominate the AHL. Never got a chance.

Instead, this guy who just bulldozed through 5'8 junior kids without having to hone and round out his skill has been sent almost straight to the NHL.

It's crazy. And the Kings have options. They could be using Kupari or Vilardi or Anderson-Dolan.

Crazy.
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Well said.
 
Someone fill me in when he starts scoring more points for fantasy reasons.
 
nbwingsfan said:
He’s had concerns since before being drafted. I was called a moron repeatedly for simply pointing them out. Now they seems to be completely correct.

I’ve never once called him a bust and would rather nothing more than him to succeed, Canada needs a player like him desperately and the Kings success is completely irrelevant to the Wings.

So yes it’s completely fine to question what’s going on and discuss what’s holding him back. Apparently with this prospect though, saying anything other than “he looks great” or “it’s all because of Brown” requires you to get blasted.

It’s okay to admit the prospect isn’t doing great so far, he’ll probably get it together eventually. We have posters actually saying Lafreniere should be in the AHL, but apparently the best way for Byfield to learn in in the NHL? How many prospects have to keep getting ruined by being rushed?
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I have similar observations. Even tho I'm a Ducks fan, I would be happy for Byfield to succeed (ideally with another team :laugh: but even with LA). But there have been concerns that have not gone away and seems that a lot of fans have the pink glasses on.
 
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We need to be careful about reading into his possession stats, especially in a 5-0 blowout.

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Most of his ice time came in the last half of the game, after it was already 4-0. In the 3rd period, the Sharks, no doubt content with that lead, had only 4 shots on goal. It's not surprising that his possession stats look so good when most of his ice time came against unmotivated players.

There's also the fact that the Sharks scored twice while he was on the ice.

More importantly, Byfield has been sheltered all season.

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(To be clear, these are the data for the whole season, not just the last game)

He gets a far greater percentage of offensive zone starts than anyone else on the team and faces some of the least talented competition. Neither is surprising at all, since he's a 19-year-old and you want to ease him into the NHL. We just have to be careful about getting excited about his advanced stats and how good he looks out there when his usage likely has a lot to do with it.
 
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Byfield is a guy that we should forget about for another year. Super young, super wet behind the ears. Unfortunately it fortunately the Kings have overachieved and are now in a fight for the playoffs and now have a boatload of injuries. We are looking for production from anyone and not getting it at this present time and situation from a former #2 pick makes it look that much worse

The kid needed to be his a bit and treated with kid gloves as he was a longer term project with great upside. Unfortunately the Kings no longer find themselves in a position to let that happen.

Give the kid some time to fill out and to properly learn the game. Hell he still plays with a stick that Theo Fluery could have used
 
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Osprey said:
We need to be careful about reading into his possession stats, especially in a 5-0 blowout.

byfieldshifts.jpg


Most of his ice time came in the last half of the game, after it was already 4-0. In the 3rd period, the Sharks, no doubt content with that lead, had only 4 shots on goal. It's not surprising that his possession stats look so good when most of his ice time came against unmotivated players.

There's also the fact that the Sharks scored twice while he was on the ice.

More importantly, Byfield has been sheltered all season.

byfielddeployment.jpg

(To be clear, these are the data for the whole season, not just the last game)

He gets a far greater percentage of offensive zone starts than anyone else on the team and faces some of the least talented competition. Neither is surprising at all, since he's a 19-year-old and you want to ease him into the NHL. We just have to be careful about getting excited about his advanced stats and how good he looks out there when his usage likely has a lot to do with it.
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Sounds like a guy who should either still be in junior or at best the AHL. But the Kings are winning and looking like a for sure playoff team with him out there.
 
MBH said:
COVID + LA Kings f***ed Byfield.
I had Byfield as my #1 pick in the draft. But I expected at least one more year of junior. he didn't get that.
This year, at most, he should have been playing for the Kings' AHL team.
Instead, he's playing center and showing absolutely zero skill or offensive IQ.

I mean, he looks OK as a forechecking 3C if you can excuse the defensive mistakes and gaffes.

I have no idea why the Kings are forcing him when he's clearly not ready.

This kid needed to DOMINATE the OHL. Never got the chance.
He needed to dominate the AHL. Never got a chance.

Instead, this guy who just bulldozed through 5'8 junior kids without having to hone and round out his skill has been sent almost straight to the NHL.

It's crazy. And the Kings have options. They could be using Kupari or Vilardi or Anderson-Dolan.

Crazy.
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Spot on
 
God bless him. He barely touched the puck (I'm not 100% sure he did), but it's enough for his 2nd assist of the season. Things are looking UP !!!!

In his defense, he touched more of the puck on this assist than he did on his last goal. :)
 
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