C Quinton Byfield (2020, 2nd, LAK) part IV

[voxel]

Id have to agree with you. especially for European players dont they always say have to get used to the North American game? There for the AHL would be the highest level of hockey thats closest to the NHL rink size right? So wouldnt that obviously make the AHL the 2nd best league in the world? I mean u see some players go into the KHL and kill it that didnt mount to much like for example Markus Granlund. guys a ppg in the KHL.

Markus Granlund (who played for the Condors and Oilers last season) is what I call an "AHL All-Star" - he's too good for the league. The points are deceiving because he never got PP time as I recall (that went to prospects) so if his KHL stats are better he's probably getting prime offensive minutes.

In a game of inches.. if Markus Granlund was an inch taller and a slightly faster skater, he'd be a NHL regular. If anything Lias Andersson reminds me of Markus Granlund.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Markus Granlund (who played for the Condors and Oilers last season) is what I call an "AHL All-Star" - he's too good for the league. The points are deceiving because he never got PP time as I recall (that went to prospects) so if his KHL stats are better he's probably getting prime offensive minutes.

In a game of inches.. if Markus Granlund was an inch taller and a slightly faster skater, he'd be a NHL regular. If anything Lias Andersson reminds me of Markus Granlund.

yeah but isnt the ice bigger in the KHL? so players have more room to do what they want? there for making the game a little easier?

 

[voxel]

yeah but isnt the ice bigger in the KHL? so players have more room to do what they want? there for making the game a little easier?

I recall some KHL teams play in NHL sized rinks but in general what you say is true.

Markus is not the fastest skater (he's no slug though) so I don't know if the bigger ice benefits him that way. He's a smart two-way player. I loved his game in the AHL and hated him in the NHL. He simply wasn't strong or fast enough in the NHL. He lost more puck battles than he won in the NHL but in the AHL he mostly dominated.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

I rather see a prospect doing well in the SEL or a very underrated league like the Swiss League.

The AHL is the best preparation for the NHL but doesnt make it the 2nd best league.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

2000: Dany Heatley - Played college hockey for D+1
2001: Jason Spezza - Not eligible to play in the AHL - Sent to Junior
2002: Kari Lehtonen - (Goalie) - stayed in Finland for D+1
2003: Eric Staal - Not eligible to play in the AHL - 31 points in 81 NHL games
2004: Evgeni Malkin - Stayed in Russia for D+1 ( contract issue)
2005: Bobby Ryan - Not eligible to play in the AHL - Sent to Junior
2006: Jordan Staal - Not eligible to play in the AHL - 42 points in 82 NHL games
2007: James Van Riemsdyk - Played college hockey for D+1
2008: Drew Doughty - Not eligible to play in the AHL - 27 points in 81 NHL games (Dman)
2009: Victor Hedman - (Dman) 20 points in 74 NHL games
2010: Tyler Seguin - Not eligible to play in the AHL - 22 points in 74 NHL games
2011: Gabriel Landeskog - Not eligible to play in the AHL - 52 points in 82 NHL games
2012: Ryan Murray - Not eligible to play in the AHL - Sent to Junior (Dman)
2013: Aleksander Barkov - 24 points in 54 NHL games
2014: Sam Reinhart - Not eligible to play in the AHL - Sent to Junior
2015: Jack Eichel - 56 points in 81 NHL Games
2016: Patrik Laine - 64 points in 73 NHL Games
2017: Nolan Patrick - Not eligible to play in the AHL - 30 points in 73 NHL games
2018: Andrei Svehnikov - Not eligible to play in the AHL - 37 points in 82 NHL games
2019: Kaapo Kakko - 23 points in 66 NHL games

11 of the last 20 #2 overall picks weren't allowed to play in the AHL in their D+1 season. It was CHL or NHL. 4 were sent back, 7 stayed up but only 2 of the 7 managed better than 0.5 ppg.

Of the 9 that were eligible for the AHL, 7 were forwards.

Of the 7, 2 played college hockey and 1 stayed in Russia.

Meaning there were only 4 forwards drafted #2 overall in the last 20 years that could have played in the AHL, but stayed in the NHL instead. 2 of them failed to crack 25 points.

Using "no other #2 overall pick played in the AHL their D+1 season" as a knock against Byfield is just silly.

Of course the guy you are responding to has nothing to say about this. Way to shut his false narrative up with facts.

 

[nbwingsfan]

AHL is a prep for the NHL. NHL farm teams. To me that is 2nd best Pro league to make it to the NHL. No NHL team wants to send their prospects back to europe for development unless they absolutley have too. Like Seider and the euros in this Covid year.

Doesn't necessarily make it the second best league skill wise.

Euros just need to get accustomed to the smaller rinks and it's much easier to keep tabs on your players development when they're in the same country as your NHL team.

 

[nbwingsfan]

2000: Dany Heatley - Played college hockey for D+1
2001: Jason Spezza - Not eligible to play in the AHL - Sent to Junior
2002: Kari Lehtonen - (Goalie) - stayed in Finland for D+1
2003: Eric Staal - Not eligible to play in the AHL - 31 points in 81 NHL games
2004: Evgeni Malkin - Stayed in Russia for D+1 ( contract issue)
2005: Bobby Ryan - Not eligible to play in the AHL - Sent to Junior
2006: Jordan Staal - Not eligible to play in the AHL - 42 points in 82 NHL games
2007: James Van Riemsdyk - Played college hockey for D+1
2008: Drew Doughty - Not eligible to play in the AHL - 27 points in 81 NHL games (Dman)
2009: Victor Hedman - (Dman) 20 points in 74 NHL games
2010: Tyler Seguin - Not eligible to play in the AHL - 22 points in 74 NHL games
2011: Gabriel Landeskog - Not eligible to play in the AHL - 52 points in 82 NHL games
2012: Ryan Murray - Not eligible to play in the AHL - Sent to Junior (Dman)
2013: Aleksander Barkov - 24 points in 54 NHL games
2014: Sam Reinhart - Not eligible to play in the AHL - Sent to Junior
2015: Jack Eichel - 56 points in 81 NHL Games
2016: Patrik Laine - 64 points in 73 NHL Games
2017: Nolan Patrick - Not eligible to play in the AHL - 30 points in 73 NHL games
2018: Andrei Svehnikov - Not eligible to play in the AHL - 37 points in 82 NHL games
2019: Kaapo Kakko - 23 points in 66 NHL games

11 of the last 20 #2 overall picks weren't allowed to play in the AHL in their D+1 season. It was CHL or NHL. 4 were sent back, 7 stayed up but only 2 of the 7 managed better than 0.5 ppg.

Of the 9 that were eligible for the AHL, 7 were forwards.

Of the 7, 2 played college hockey and 1 stayed in Russia.

Meaning there were only 4 forwards drafted #2 overall in the last 20 years that could have played in the AHL, but stayed in the NHL instead. 2 of them failed to crack 25 points.

Using "no other #2 overall pick played in the AHL their D+1 season" as a knock against Byfield is just silly.

So what you're saying is that almost every 2nd overall forward DID play in the NHL in their D+1? I never once said anything about performance or eligibility, just stated a fact.

So what exactly were you trying to prove here?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Of course the guy you are responding to has nothing to say about this. Way to shut his false narrative up with facts.

As already stated this did nothing except show that almost every 2nd overall forward DID play in the NHL in their D+1 unless it was their own choice not to... So again, what did this prove exactly?

 

[redcard]

So what you're saying is that almost every 2nd overall forward DID play in the NHL in their D+1? I never once said anything about performance or eligibility, just stated a fact.

So what exactly were you trying to prove here?

Everyone else seemed to figure it out, if you can't recognize the unique opportunity the Kings have to be allowed to send Byfield to the AHL instead of throwing him directly into the NHL I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[funky]

2 assists and +3 tonight. Helped set up the game winner in OT.

 

[ponder]

2 assists and +3 tonight. Helped set up the game winner in OT.

7 game point streak - 5 goals, 4 assists, +2 over that span. Seems like he’s really settling in and adapting quickly, leads the Reign in scoring.

His game is more raw, less polished than your average 2nd overall pick, but his upside is very high. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned Eric Staal, I think that’s a pretty good upside comp, if everything goes right in his development.

He’s having a very good AHL season for an 18 year old, the longer he can stay there the better. I do prefer Stuetzle over him, but Byfield is a great project too, and certainly has a decent shot to be the better of the two.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

7 game point streak - 5 goals, 4 assists, +2 over that span. Seems like he’s really settling in and adapting quickly, leads the Reign in scoring.

His game is more raw, less polished than your average 2nd overall pick, but his upside is very high. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned Eric Staal, I think that’s a pretty good upside comp, if everything goes right in his development.

He’s having a very good AHL season for an 18 year old, the longer he can stay there the better. I do prefer Stuetzle over him, but Byfield is a great project too, and certainly has a decent shot to be the better of the two.

I see way higher ceiling what Eric Staal thou. Nothing from Eric Staal, dude has had really good career
with loads of goals and points to boot; 400+ goals, 1000+ points but OMG,
Byfield is bigger, faster, way more skilled what prime Staal was.

He has all the tools (and the body/physique) to become a true franchise center for the Kings
and challenge everyone, what comes to all kinds of individual NHL trophies that there are,
challenge even mr. McDavid, yeah i know, lot to say, but that's my opinion.

When he matures, gets slight more muscle to right places, gets a tad bit explosiveness to his skating,
he will be absolutely unstoppable force in the NHL.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

2 more points for ol bricks-for-brains again tonight, thank goodness someone can point his dumb ass towards the opposing net

in all seriousness guy is looking way more comfortable and confident, more reacting than reading lately, over PPG the last little stretch, approaching that PPG mark overall that some people begrudgingly admitted would impress them, already jumped to the 6th best pace 18 yo AHL season.

As already stated this did nothing except show that almost every 2nd overall forward DID play in the NHL in their D+1 unless it was their own choice not to... So again, what did this prove exactly?

That you're not here to contribute and you've been deliberately ignorant for now thousands of posts?

I'm all for different opinions but you're just trying to be a conversational speedbump. At this point you have people doing your homework for you to try to encourage you to conversate about your own points but you just cross your arms and pout.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

7 game point streak - 5 goals, 4 assists, +2 over that span. Seems like he’s really settling in and adapting quickly, leads the Reign in scoring.

His game is more raw, less polished than your average 2nd overall pick, but his upside is very high. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned Eric Staal, I think that’s a pretty good upside comp, if everything goes right in his development.

He’s having a very good AHL season for an 18 year old, the longer he can stay there the better. I do prefer Stuetzle over him, but Byfield is a great project too, and certainly has a decent shot to be the better of the two.

Even now 'raw' is definitely the word. But it's crazy because even though he's improved, it looks like he's barely scratching the surface. It's not a Malkin comp at all, but you really can see the Malkin flashes, and that's what's so scary tantalizing. It's also nice to see he's starting to realize he can be a bulldozer, starting to move the pile by himself on a few occasions, a la Dustin Byfuglien.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

This is starting to look good (Byfield).

Unfortunately he didnt dominate at the Hlinka tournament & Jr Super Series.

 

[David Catselhoff]

His play has reminded me alot of Mike Modano too. If he can become some kind of combination between Modano and Staal, the Kings will have their future #1 locked up.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

It's not an opinion its a fact that almost every single 2nd overall pick forward makes the NHL in their D+1. I believe since 2000 the only ones not to play in the NHL (unless it was their own choice) are Bobby Ryan and Jason Spezza.

You can also keep saying his performances were good internationally, but again for a top 2 talent no they certainly haven't been and theres been plenty of info to back that up.

It certainly isnt racism like a couple posters like to keep saying

What have the 2nd overall players in the last 3 or 4 years do that made it worth them being in the NHL?
Looks like these kids could use time being sent down over getting into the show right away.
look at Kakko. seems playing right away hasnt worked out all that well for him.
This is prob going to become a more common thing moving forward.

 

[Mats26]

I see way higher ceiling what Eric Staal thou. Nothing from Eric Staal, dude has had really good career
with loads of goals and points to boot; 400+ goals, 1000+ points but OMG,
Byfield is bigger, faster, way more skilled what prime Staal was.

He has all the tools (and the body/physique) to become a true franchise center for the Kings
and challenge everyone, what comes to all kinds of individual NHL trophies that there are,
challenge even mr. McDavid, yeah i know, lot to say, but that's my opinion.

When he matures, gets slight more muscle to right places, gets a tad bit explosiveness to his skating,
he will be absolutely unstoppable force in the NHL.

Yeah....no

 

[kudla]

AHL is a prep for the NHL. NHL farm teams. To me that is 2nd best Pro league to make it to the NHL. No NHL team wants to send their prospects back to europe for development unless they absolutley have too. Like Seider and the euros in this Covid year.

This season AHL would struggle to be the worlds 3/4th best league

 

[BigHitter67]

This season AHL would struggle to be the worlds 3/4th best league

yeah.. seems bit watered down this year ..

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Right on cue, lmao

"QB can't even hack it in the AHL"
*QB starts dominating AHL*
"AHL sucks this year anyway."

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Out with stomach flu tonight

 

[redcard]

Out with stomach flu tonight

Got sick of scoring

 

[canuckking1]

Byfield seems like a timid player in he needs to get comfortable in his environment and once he does he dominates. Makes sense why he doesn’t do well in short tournaments.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

You try too hard to knock Byfield

When have I ever knocked Byfield? I love the prospect and what he can become. I don’t view his ceiling as high as some others on here, though.