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C Nolan Patrick - Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL (2017 Draft)

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patrick wasn't great tonight, especially forcing things on the PP. But he did score, and by the end of the night eansor could only hook, clutch and grab him to try and stop him
patrick is the real deal, Toews 2.0....
 
How did Brandon acquire Patrick when they are at the top of the standings? I'd love to see the details of that trade.
 
schenneuf said:
How did Brandon acquire Patrick when they are at the top of the standings? I'd love to see the details of that trade.
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Brandon was 4th last in the league in 2012-13 season and drafted him at 4 spot in 2013 bantam draft.
 
schenneuf said:
How did Brandon acquire Patrick when they are at the top of the standings? I'd love to see the details of that trade.
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The pick they used to select Patrick was their own 1st round pick in 2013. They were legitimately bad, outside of Ryan Pulock and rookie versions of John Quenneville and Jayce Hawryluk, nobody else on that team by midseason had any sort of real NHL potential. It was a young team due to coming off a period of sustained success, meaning that the players were all inexperienced or just plain bad (even though some have become great CHL players after some development) and they missed the playoffs because of it.

Clague is another story, but that team deserved to get 4th overall based on play, they just lucked into the best player of that draft, in no small part because some of the other formerly highly regarded picks have gone through rough patches due to injury or other factors, even his own teammate Clague, and the rest simply never hit the heights they were supposed to.
 
The 2017 draft will be interesting. i feel like Patrick will go to a team that wasn't one of the bottom teams this year. Something like a Detroit or a Boston. Maybe Colorado ends up in the tank again. With Minnesota getting Boudreau, they're likely to stay as a bubble team if not a bonafide playoff team.

Or it could just be Columbus and then they'd have one of the best up and coming cores in the league. We'll see.

Side Note: As a Leafs fan who is excited about getting Matthews, I still think Patrick has more offensive upside. In terms of their all around game, I feel like saying Matthews has the edge but that could be because he's older.
 
RyanOhReally said:
The 2017 draft will be interesting. i feel like Patrick will go to a team that wasn't one of the bottom teams this year. Something like a Detroit or a Boston. Maybe Colorado ends up in the tank again. With Minnesota getting Boudreau, they're likely to stay as a bubble team if not a bonafide playoff team.

Or it could just be Columbus and then they'd have one of the best up and coming cores in the league. We'll see.

Side Note: As a Leafs fan who is excited about getting Matthews, I still think Patrick has more offensive upside. In terms of their all around game, I feel like saying Matthews has the edge but that could be because he's older.
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Hard to compare, Matthews definitely has the better international record in regards to putting up points. Patrick looks very good though and has similar upside. I don't think he slips past 3 if he was in this draft, and could challenge for 1. It would actually be very hard for Winnipeg to pass on him at 2. I fully expect him to be viewed as a Thornton, Lecavalier, Malkin, Stamkos, Tavares, Eichel, and Matthews tier center prospect. Maybe he slips a bit next year but I doubt it, he looks to be the best center out of the WHL in a long while.
 
Spade said:
The pick they used to select Patrick was their own 1st round pick in 2013. They were legitimately bad, outside of Ryan Pulock and rookie versions of John Quenneville and Jayce Hawryluk, nobody else on that team by midseason had any sort of real NHL potential. It was a young team due to coming off a period of sustained success, meaning that the players were all inexperienced or just plain bad (even though some have become great CHL players after some development) and they missed the playoffs because of it.

Clague is another story, but that team deserved to get 4th overall based on play, they just lucked into the best player of that draft, in no small part because some of the other formerly highly regarded picks have gone through rough patches due to injury or other factors, even his own teammate Clague, and the rest simply never hit the heights they were supposed to.
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They also traded Geordie Maguire + 3rd round pick to Regina for "draft day considerations", which was apparently an agreement that Regina wouldn't select Patrick at 2.

http://www.brandonsun.com/breaking-news/Wheat-Kings-steal-show-at-bantam-draft-205788451.html

Brandon also made a deal with Regina, sending 18-year-old forward Geordie Maguire and a third-round pick in return for what was termed "draft day considerations." Although not disclosed, it is believed the trade was part of an agreement that the Pats would not take Patrick with the day's second-overall selection.
 
RyanOhReally said:
The 2017 draft will be interesting. i feel like Patrick will go to a team that wasn't one of the bottom teams this year. Something like a Detroit or a Boston. Maybe Colorado ends up in the tank again. With Minnesota getting Boudreau, they're likely to stay as a bubble team if not a bonafide playoff team.

Or it could just be Columbus and then they'd have one of the best up and coming cores in the league. We'll see.

Side Note: As a Leafs fan who is excited about getting Matthews, I still think Patrick has more offensive upside. In terms of their all around game, I feel like saying Matthews has the edge but that could be because he's older.
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Isn't it very likely that if they hold the expansion draft after next season, they'll also let the expansion team draft first in every round of the amateur draft in the same year?

If Las Vegas joins the league in 2017, that's probably where Patrick will go, assuming he's drafted first.
 
L13 said:
Isn't it very likely that if they hold the expansion draft after next season, they'll also let the expansion team draft first in every round of the amateur draft in the same year?

If Las Vegas joins the league in 2017, that's probably where Patrick will go, assuming he's drafted first.
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Doubt that, they will be seeded somewhere in the lotto, or given an automatic spot they can't move up from (in the sense their lotto exempt, but can still trade). During the last round of expansion in their inaugural draft, Nashville got #2 (David Legwand) in 1998, Atlanta got #2 (but through a series of deals ended up picking first and taking Stefan) in 1999, Minnesota got #3 (Gaborik) and Columbus got #4 (Klesla). Also, in the case of an expansion team, it may make the most sense to trade down a bit to accumulate a bunch of picks to fill out your prospect pool.

Edit: Also realize that none of the Sharks, Panthers, Ducks and Sens were granted the 1st overall pick, somehow the Lightening are the only ones to get the 1OA in their first year, no idea how these were determined though.
 
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Doubt that, they will be seeded somewhere in the lotto, or given an automatic spot they can't move up from (in the sense their lotto exempt, but can still trade). During the last round of expansion in their inaugural draft, Nashville got #2 (David Legwand) in 1998, Atlanta got #2 (but through a series of deals ended up picking first and taking Stefan) in 1999, Minnesota got #3 (Gaborik) and Columbus got #4 (Klesla). Also, in the case of an expansion team, it may make the most sense to trade down a bit to accumulate a bunch of picks to fill out your prospect pool.

Edit: Also realize that none of the Sharks, Panthers, Ducks and Sens were granted the 1st overall pick, somehow the Lightening are the only ones to get the 1OA in their first year, no idea how these were determined though.
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Interesting, thanks for the info. For some reason I was under the impression giving the 1st OAP to the expansion team was more common.
 
Patrick is going to be solid, I see him 4th after McDavid, Eichel and Matthews. Still highly elite company, I think the 15-17 draft years are producing top tier center talent.

Who knows in '18, Jake Wise might destroy all the other previous US centres before him.
 
Brandon won tonight, punching their card to the Mem Cup.

Patrick led the playoffs in scoring and was named WHL playoffs MVP.

Look forward to seeing him in the tournament. In my view, he is comfortably Canada's best '98 born player.
 
I want the Canucks to win the lottery next year so bad!! this kid is the real deal.
 
He's from Winnipeg, would be cool to see him going there. Then we could have Patrik and Patrick terrorizing the West for years to come.
 
mikaH said:
He's from Winnipeg, would be cool to see him going there. Then we could have Patrik and Patrick terrorizing the West for years to come.
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If Winnipeg is terrible next year and end with a good shot of getting Patrick (and not getting a miracle win as a 11-14), seed you'd probably have to worry about the core they have in place (particularly Buf, Trouba, Myers, Little, Scheifele and Wheeler). It'd be interesting though to see him there though.

Really excited to see how he does at the Memorial Cup. Brandon vs London is a must watch for me, its going to be amazing with the amount of high level NHL talent on the ice. London has Marner who was a high first rounder, plus projected first rounder in Max Jones, plus two guys projected to go top 10 Tkachuk, and Juolevi, a likely 2nd rounder and fringe 1st rounder in Cliff Pu, and a guy who would go in the first in a re-draft (Dvorak). Brandon has a projected 1OA in Patrick, a high end 1st rounder in Provorov, a projected 20/40 guy in Clauge, two top 40 guys in Quennville and Hawryluk.
 
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