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C Nolan Patrick - Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL (2017 Draft)

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kiable said:
My best way I could explain it would be if Patrick were in hos draft year right now and getting the same exposure and scouting as the top 3 mentioned I would be willing to bet he would be battling Mathews for 1st. And before all the other 3 supporters get on and take this as a shot it really isnt taking anything away from them. Its just Patrick is that good. There are zero weaknesses to his game he does everything and when on the ice creates so much space for his linemates. Look at the playoffs right now so much attention was being payed to one line they moved him to another and all off a sudden his linemates are two of the top scorers on the team. This is direvtly cause with the attention they have to give him it opens up so much room for others, but the second a team tries to control the entire line he strikes and makes them pay. As a 17 year old on a team with the depth Brandon has he is already their top penalty killer, top PP man, number 1 centre and top faceoff guy.. Its really a pleasure to watch him and if any of you get the chance id suggest you do.
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It's interesting that you think that Patrick, a Canadian playing for a powerhouse team in the CHL, is at a disadvantage attention-wise compared to Matthews, Arizona-born who has played the last season in Switzerland, and two Finnish players.

If he were genuinely better than anyone in this draft or, a narrow second, then I'm very confident that the Canadian media would be pumping him big time in the absence of elite Canadian talent in this draft.

Patrick really does look like a fantastic player. Like others have said, he is extremely complete and is, arguably (probably 'inarguably'), the best 1998 born Canadian player...leaving aside the debate about him vs Matthews/the Finns - imo he'd easily be drafted before any '16 Cdn draft eligible player.
 
I don't think he'd challenge Matthews, but I could see teams taking him over Laine. He has the makings of a big 2 way franchise center. It will be interesting to see who challenges him next year.
 
93LEAFS said:
I don't think he'd challenge Matthews, but I could see teams taking him over Laine. He has the makings of a big 2 way franchise center. It will be interesting to see who challenges him next year.
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Acknowledging that my main viewing is OHL, I'm not sure who it would be. From the OHL, I'm in love with Vilardi and Tippett in particular - but neither of them seem contenders for 1OA. Comtois is also extremely impressive. I've seen him less than the OHL players - but still...he doesn't seem "Patrick good".

There's also Liljegren - I haven't seen very much of him. I've made efforts to see what I could after U17. He's really impressive. But from what I've seen, while he's extremely impressive, he doesn't look like someone who would challenge Patrick for 10A.

On the basis of what I've seen, Patrick seems like the clear 1OA for '17,
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
Acknowledging that my main viewing is OHL, I'm not sure who it would be. From the OHL, I'm in love with Vilardi and Tippett in particular - but neither of them seem contenders for 1OA. Comtois is also extremely impressive. I've seen him less than the OHL players - but still...he doesn't seem "Patrick good".

There's also Liljegren - I haven't seen very much of him. I've made efforts to see what I could after U17. He's really impressive. But from what I've seen, while he's extremely impressive, he doesn't look like someone who would challenge Patrick for 10A.
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Liljegren would be my bet as most likely to. Tippett is interesting, but I can't see him doing it, he would practically have to score at a goal per game pace as a sniping winger to create a discussion. But who knows, some guy could take a massive step like Bennett did as a 17 year old to challenge Reinhart. The true wildcard is someone like Nico Hischier, whose stock could explode if he comes over in the import draft and excels, along with strong tournament showings.
 
93LEAFS said:
Liljegren would be my bet as most likely to. Tippett is interesting, but I can't see him doing it, he would practically have to score at a goal per game pace as a sniping winger to create a discussion. But who knows, some guy could take a massive step like Bennett did as a 17 year old to challenge Reinhart. The true wildcard is someone like Nico Hischier, whose stock could explode if he comes over in the import draft and excels, along with strong tournament showings.
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I just don't see a Swedish d-man suddenly grabbing 1OA.

As far as someone coming from no where - we'll see. Like I said, my viewing is OHL. I'm not sure who that would be. The underperforming players with "more to give" are Levin & R McLeod - both of whom are late b-days, so are 2017 eligible.

M. Strome significantly overachieved this season - but not to the degree he'd be in the conversation for 10A.
 
It's always weird with these late birthdays. A year out from his actual draft Patrick looks like he'll be an absolute beast, but it will be his draft plus one year. Same with Matthews.
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
I just don't see a Swedish d-man suddenly grabbing 1OA.

As far as someone coming from no where - we'll see. Like I said, my viewing is OHL. I'm not sure who that would be. The underperforming players with "more to give" are Levin & R McLeod - both of whom are late b-days, so are 2017 eligible.

M. Strome significantly overachieved this season - but not to the degree he'd be in the conversation for 10A.
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They're 2018 eligible
 
Is there any possibility that Patrick goes overseas to play pro next season? He's got the size and skill, and he'll be 18 at the start of the season. It would be interesting to have it happen in back to back years with the preseason #1.
 
Connor McDaigle said:
Is there any possibility that Patrick goes overseas to play pro next season? He's got the size and skill, and he'll be 18 at the start of the season. It would be interesting to have it happen in back to back years with the preseason #1.
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Pretty sure after researching it, its near impossible. Hockey Canada has his transfer card, he could probably fight it in court and win, but its not worth the time or appeals. The reason Goldobin and Yak got around it was that they were technically on loan. It would be interesting to see it challenged, but I don't see any player having the incentive to do it.
 
landy92mack29 said:
They're 2018 eligible
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Thanks. Yes, of course. Lol - I was forgetting this season was 2016 draft. I was thinking it was next year so the year after was 2017. A mistake you'd think I'd make in early January, not April. :facepalm:

93LEAFS said:
Pretty sure after researching it, its near impossible. Hockey Canada has his transfer card, he could probably fight it in court and win, but its not worth the time or appeals. The reason Goldobin and Yak got around it was that they were technically on loan. It would be interesting to see it challenged, but I don't see any player having the incentive to do it.
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By 'Yak' do you mean 'Yakupov'? If so, I think the reason he got around it is b/c the OHL came up with some BS excuse he didn't have ILA when he signed his contract and therefore it couldn't be applied (not that lack of ILA isn't a legitimate reason to void a contract, it's just I don't think they would have applied it to anyone else).

Back to Patrick - as impressive a season as he's had, there's nothing about him that suggests he's too good for the WHL. In fact, given the graduating players on his team, he'll probably benefit from being the indisputably top guy. Looking at the other players in the WHL, there's no reason he couldn't be to top scorer in the league next season.
 
Went to the game last night. they closed out the series with the Warriors with a convincing 7-3 win.

Patrick looked very good out there once again. Picked up another two points, played a solid two way game and was quite physical out there. His vision and hockey sense is above average out there for his age.

The only detraction I had from his game was his need to chat with the refs after the play when he thought there should be a penalty call on the warriors for plays against him. He had a valid point on one where he was hauled down before he could sweep the puck into an open net on a play that he drove hard from one side of the net to the other with the puck. But some of the other times were wish washy complaints. The Warriors were keying on him and he played through it, didn't lose his cool and was productive but it shows the other team that they may be able to get under his skin a bit. It is a very small complaint about his on ice presence and one that he will grow out of.
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
Acknowledging that my main viewing is OHL, I'm not sure who it would be. From the OHL, I'm in love with Vilardi and Tippett in particular - but neither of them seem contenders for 1OA. Comtois is also extremely impressive. I've seen him less than the OHL players - but still...he doesn't seem "Patrick good".

There's also Liljegren - I haven't seen very much of him. I've made efforts to see what I could after U17. He's really impressive. But from what I've seen, while he's extremely impressive, he doesn't look like someone who would challenge Patrick for 10A.

On the basis of what I've seen, Patrick seems like the clear 1OA for '17,
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I could see a guy like Vilardi challenging. Obviously he'd have to take some big steps but it's pretty common for players to do that at his age. Dylan Strome went from 39 points in his rookie year to 129 the following year. I could see Vilardi vastly improving his point totals next year too. Also comparing him to Patrick you have to remember he is almost a full year younger being a mid august '99 birthday vs mid september '98.

Then outside of the OHL there's plenty of guys that could come up from "nowhere" and be considered top5 prospects. 2017 looks like an interesting draft year for sure. Don't think it has the high-end talent of 2015 but it looks way deeper than 2016.
 
What he's accomplishing is totally unheard of. Players from the WHL who hit 100+ points in their draft year are quite rare. Let alone those who are one year away from being drafted.

Undrafted players who hit 100 points:

2015-16: Nolan Patrick
2014-15: None
2013-14: Leon Draisaitl, Sam Reinhart
2012-13: Nic Petan
2011-12: None
2010-11: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2009-10: Jordan Weal
2008-09: None
2007-08: None
2006-07: None
2005-06: None
2004-05: None
2003-04: None
2002-03: None
2001-02: Joffrey Lupul
2000-01: None
1999-00: None
1998-99: Pavel Brendl
1997-98: None
1996-97: Patrick Marleau

All these guys did it in their draft season. I don't how far you'd have to go to find one who did this one year before being drafted.
 
A lot is being said about Marner and his points in the OHL playoffs.

How does Patricks 24 points in 16 games in his Draft-1 Season compare to Marner and his 37 in 14 during his Draft+1 season?
 
MikeRahl said:
A lot is being said about Marner and his points in the OHL playoffs.

How does Patricks 24 points in 16 games in his Draft-1 Season compare to Marner and his 37 in 14 during his Draft+1 season?
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Both are super impressive.

Patrick should be on the WJHC team next year.
 
Passchendaele said:
What he's accomplishing is totally unheard of. Players from the WHL who hit 100+ points in their draft year are quite rare. Let alone those who are one year away from being drafted.


All these guys did it in their draft season. I don't how far you'd have to go to find one who did this one year before being drafted.
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That's a little misleading he's a 17 year old that's in his second year in the CHL, the fact he has two wait a year extra to get drafted because he was born 4 days on the wrong side of line doesn't make it like he's a 16 year old rookie doing it.

That being said still seriously impressive and 1st overall worthy for a draft year.
 
The play he made short handed that led to quennevilles Shorty is why he is a special player. He hit the rebel forward in Brandon's corner, got the puck, fought off the back check, skated the puck the length of the ice and got an assist on the goal. Ultimate two way player, at least at this level
 
MikeRahl said:
A lot is being said about Marner and his points in the OHL playoffs.

How does Patricks 24 points in 16 games in his Draft-1 Season compare to Marner and his 37 in 14 during his Draft+1 season?
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As mentioned, it should probably be benchmarked against peoples 17 year old seasons. Its much better than Draisaitl and Reinharts 17 year old runs, if you want to bench mark it against recent WHL late birthdays but neither had an extended run or played for a team like Brandon. Barzal had 8 in 6 coming last year. Out of recent top CHL guys, Marner had 16 points in 7 games last year, McDavid had 49 in 20, Strome had 22 in 20. Going a bit further back to use a powerhouse team for an example even though its the Q, Drouin had 35 in 17 and Mackinnon had 33 in 17.

While nowhere near as big a prospects, the last WHL guys with comparable numbers at 17 is Petan in 2013 and Nick Merkley last year. But I could easily be missing someone.
 
93LEAFS said:
As mentioned, it should probably be benchmarked against peoples 17 year old seasons. Its much better than Draisaitl and Reinharts 17 year old runs, if you want to bench mark it against recent WHL late birthdays but neither had an extended run or played for a team like Brandon. Barzal had 8 in 6 coming last year. Out of recent top CHL guys, Marner had 16 points in 7 games last year, McDavid had 49 in 20, Strome had 22 in 20. Going a bit further back to use a powerhouse team for an example even though its the Q, Drouin had 35 in 17 and Mackinnon had 33 in 17.

While nowhere near as big a prospects, the last WHL guys with comparable numbers at 17 is Petan in 2013 and Nick Merkley last year. But I could easily be missing someone.
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Mcdavid was in the first 4 months for his draft year and was in his second year in his draft - 1 year. So mcdavids draft -1 year is probably the best comparable. Although one plays in the OHL and one in the WHL:

Mcdavid draft - 2 season: 63 games 25 goals 41 assists 66 point
Patrick draft - 2 season: 55 games 30 goals 26 assists 56 point

Mcdavid draft - 1 season: 56 games 28 goals 71 assists 99 pts
Patrick draft. - 1 season: 72 games 41 goals 61 assists 102 pt

Mcdavid draft - 1 playoff: 14 games 4 goals 15 assists 19 pts
Patrick draft - 1 playoffs: 16 games 10 goals 14 assists 24 pts

Pretty close, although mcdavid clearly played fewer games during his regular season. Patrick started out quite slowly in his season too. Wouldnot mind seeing there stats racked up over the last 30 games for each.
 
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