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C Nolan Patrick - Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL (2017 Draft)

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DaximusPrimus said:
Eichel and Matthews are probably more recent examples of two-way guys going high in the draft though they both also has big offensive games which I think Patrick has as well.
With the success of guys like Toews, Kopitar, Getzlaf and Bergeron I think two-way centers are becoming valuable assets.
Usually the offensive juggernaughts get all the attention the Crosbys, Stamkos, Tavares, Mackinnons and McDavids.
I don't think Patrick will be that type of offensive player at the NHL level, I see him as more of the two-way guys who flirt with 70+ points in good years but are likely more in Selke conversations and being solid leaders on playoff bound teams.
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I'm not saying that two-way centres aren't valuable assets. I'm just pointing out that it is easier to project the players who will be the offensive juggernauts at the next level than it is projecting the guys who will become the elite two-way guys.

As far as Eichel...is he really a great two-way guy? In any event, it's too early to say how he and Matthews will pan out (both in terms of ceiling and the type of players they'll be).
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
I'm not saying that two-way centres aren't valuable assets. I'm just pointing out that it is easier to project the players who will be the offensive juggernauts at the next level than it is projecting the guys who will become the elite two-way guys.

As far as Eichel...is he really a great two-way guy? In any event, it's too early to say how he and Matthews will pan out (both in terms of ceiling and the type of players they'll be).
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That's hard to say. He was billed as a two way player comparable to Toews but looks to be a more offensive guy.
Matthews gets the Kopitar billing but I think he is even more offensively gifted than Eichel. Though many don't share that opinion. So maybe they are both more offensive juggernaughts then two-way centers.
Hard to say where Patrick falls in there. Though I think he is more on the Kopitar/Toews level.
 
What's more valuable to a team, a Toews type, an Ovi type or a Shea Weber type player
That's the question I find interesting, and I guess it depends on franchise needs
 
DaximusPrimus said:
That's hard to say. He was billed as a two way player comparable to Toews but looks to be a more offensive guy.
Matthews gets the Kopitar billing but I think he is even more offensively gifted than Eichel. Though many don't share that opinion. So maybe they are both more offensive juggernaughts then two-way centers.
Hard to say where Patrick falls in there. Though I think he is more on the Kopitar/Toews level.
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It's hard to compare Patrick to them at this point because at the same stage Toews was a rookie in the NCAA while Kopitar was playing junior in Sweden.
 
FazeLeaf said:
Mackinnon wasnt the obvious pick, his whole draft year it was Nate vs Seth.
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Fair. Couple years before his draft he was the clear number 1. Then Jones closed the gap. You're right.

I believe the others were obvious picks though?
 
IMO Tavares and Crosby were the most obvious #1 picks a year ahead of the draft
Nolan isn't a clear cut #1, he has yet to prove he can shine in international competition, and, we will see how he does next season on what will be a much poorer Brandon team. He has admitted he always plays much better in the second half of a season, so he needs to improve his intensity in the first half next year.
If he played in the OHL I believe the media hype around him would be so intense that he would already be an unassailable #1, can you imagine the TSN hype over a player like him
 
DWest89 said:
Crosby.
McDavid
Tavares
Mackinnon

All very obvious picks a while before their drafts as well.
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Add Ovi, he was known only to be challenged late by Malkin, Stamkos was expected to be 1st overall from the time he was drafted to the OHL and never faltered (was just overshadowed a bit by Tavares). Guys like Kessel, Bouwmeester and Spezza were viewed as locks only to be passed late. Lecavalier and Thornton were also locks at this point.
 
93LEAFS said:
Add Ovi, he was known only to be challenged late by Malkin, Stamkos was expected to be 1st overall from the time he was drafted to the OHL and never faltered (was just overshadowed a bit by Tavares). Guys like Kessel, Bouwmeester and Spezza were viewed as locks only to be passed late. Lecavalier and Thornton were also locks at this point.
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I don't think Thornton was a lock at this point. Danny Cleary was still a prominent choice for number one and didn't start falling until his draft season.
 
First time in 40 years is pretty impressive...
F Nolan Patrick also got to 100 points; he’s got 100 in 69 games. He is the first 17-year-old to get there for the Wheat Kings since F Ray Allison and F Brian Propp both did it in 1976-77.
 
UsernameWasTaken said:
I'm not saying that two-way centres aren't valuable assets. I'm just pointing out that it is easier to project the players who will be the offensive juggernauts at the next level than it is projecting the guys who will become the elite two-way guys.

As far as Eichel...is he really a great two-way guy? In any event, it's too early to say how he and Matthews will pan out (both in terms of ceiling and the type of players they'll be).
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Eichel's two-way game is more about potential. Hockey sense is generally on a similar level in all three zones for a player, so it's more about the application of those instincts, commitment, sticking to a team's defensive assignments, etc. Being that Eichel has really strong hockey sense, along with his size, strength, reach, hand-eye, and skating, he has the potential for sure, but he's not a two-way player currently. His offense is way, way ahead. He is, however, an effective backchecker already, which is common for guys with wheels and good stickwork. He's also a strong possession player who transitions the puck from the defensive zone through the neutral zone to successful offensive zone entries among the very best in the league already.

Bottom line is no, he shouldn't really be described as a two-way player right now. You can apply most of what I said to Mathews as well.
 
93LEAFS said:
Hard to compare the 16 year olds in euro leagues, but Timothy Liljegren looks special, and I don't think he would have to take a massive step forward. Comtois has very impressive numbers for a 16 year old in a CHL league.
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Good post 93LEAFS, Liljegren is very interesting as well have you seen him play.
 
sbtatter said:
First time in 40 years is pretty impressive...
F Nolan Patrick also got to 100 points; he’s got 100 in 69 games. He is the first 17-year-old to get there for the Wheat Kings since F Ray Allison and F Brian Propp both did it in 1976-77.
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Patrick's 100 points in 2015-16 > Allison and Propp's accomplishment as 17 year olds. I am old enough to remember and back in the day Propp and Alison were part of an incredible Line centered by Derlago who had 178 points. That was a crazy team but scoring was more inflated back then. I am taking zero away from those Brandon boys from when I was a kid though they were magic.
 
ps241 said:
Good post 93LEAFS, Liljegren is very interesting as well have you seen him play.
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Not much outside of low quality streams on Bet365, hoping to see more of him in the upcoming u-18 WJC, and Hnlinka. Mostly going off hype and how highly he seems to be thought of. Very hard to judge d off of a few viewings, especially a 16 year old going against men. But from what I can gather and little I've seen I'd think he's Patrick's strongest challenger.
 
Busting hard, only 1 assist tonight! The line had Armour on the left wing tonight because Coulter is out injured. Hawryluk scored and they had some chances but they didn't dominate like some nights. Brandon clinched the Eastern conference tonight so be interesting to see if they rest anyone or make any line changes in their last two games
 
Bdn lost At home in game one, but Patrick sniped a beauty, best player for Bdn tonight
 
Tigerscout said:
Would you guys say that Patrick is the best prospect to come out of the W in a while?
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Well Nugent Hopkins is the only other forward to be picked first overall since Wendell Clark. Nugent Hopkins in his second year hit 106 points in 69 games vs Patrick 102 points in 72 games but he wasnt that hyped pre draft year. Nugent Hopkins as a prospect was pretty much regarded as a sure fire #1C.

But yeah Hype was , pre draft year its been a long long time.
 
WOW, I'm late to the party here but that's a helluva stat line for a 17 y/o playing in the WHL ! Is Brandon in a depth position to really compete next year too ? (in his 'big year')
 
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