C Nolan Patrick - Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL (2017 Draft)

[TheLeastOfTheBunch]

So then who do we have that we can compare him to?

From some recent high picks from the WHL, Sam Reinhart? He was also one of the older guys coming from the 2014 draft, just as Patrick will be for 2017. Sam put up a 1.18 PPG in his draft-1 year compared to Patrick's 1.40 pace, but Reinhart also played on a far inferior WHL team.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

I just had a look at the scoring in the Q during 2011/12, which was Mackinnon's rookie season (the season DaximusPrimus is claiming should be compared to Patrick's sophomore season). The Mooseheads scored 250 goals in 68 games. So far this season, the Wheat Kings currently have 291 goals in 67 games.

Saying that Mackinnon had 78 points while Patrick is on pace for more than 100 is misleading because it doesn't mention the differential number of games they each played (58 and 67, respectively). The two players' PPG is fairly similar: Mackinnon - 78 points in 58 games (1.38 PPG); Patrick - 94 points in 67 games (1.40 PPG).

So, even if you accepted that a comparison between Mackinnon as a 16 year old rookie and Patrick as a 17 year old second year player was in any way useful, Mackinnon produced at an extremely similar clip to Patrick on a lower scoring team.

 

[kiable]

Why are you guys arguing about a comparasion that makes no sense as they are two completely different players. I understand for draft comparasions but you cant compare the two on points. Patrick is what every team wants in a power forward. Size, hands, speed and vision also on top of that his two way play is off the charts. His dominance since December is truley amazing to watch. At 17 he already looks to be pro ready. He makes everyone he plays with better not only by setting them up but giving them room on the ice by controling the pace kinda loke Provorov does for them.. If i were to compare him to an NHL'er id say a better Getzlaf.

 

[sbtatter]

From some recent high picks from the WHL, Sam Reinhart? He was also one of the older guys coming from the 2014 draft, just as Patrick will be for 2017. Sam put up a 1.18 PPG in his draft-1 year compared to Patrick's 1.40 pace, but Reinhart also played on a far inferior WHL team.

Thing was reinhart was the focal point of his team and was given lots of ice time, Patrick has had to share time with all the other talent on the team, on the flip side Patrick has had more talented team mates
Anyway, reinhart scored 45 even strength goals in his first 150 games, compared to Patrick's 55 in 150

Maybe a good way to look at Patrick's production is to compare him to other players on the high scoring WKs these last three years
Patrick 55 goals
Hawryluk 44 ES goals in 150 games (2nd round pick)
J Quennville 32 goals (1st round pick)
Shmyr 32 goals (undrafted)
Duke 31 goals (5th round pick)
Mcgauley 23 goals (signed by Washington before his 20 year old season)

So you can see Patrick's goal scoring is far above his teammates, so that should take away the thought that he's only scoring because he's on an offensive team. He is Getzlaf and Thornton size with Toews like two way play, and the highest scorer in 150 games to come out of the dub in years

 

[Gstank]

and the highest scorer in 150 games to come out of the dub in years

In years eh, Jake Virtanen says hi

 

[John Agar]

In years eh, Jake Virtanen says hi

Yes Jake V says hi....

But Jake V can barely tie his own skates, never mind tie Patrick's.

Not a good comparison Jake vs Nolan:

Jake.............vs...........Nolan

Strong Skater............. Strong Skater
Good Shot...................Good Shot
Strength......................Strength
O-player only................Full Ice Strong Player
Plays by himself............Makes his teammates more effective
Not Disciplined..............Team Leader / High Discipline
Middle'ing Hockey IQ......Very High Hockey IQ

So yes Jake can say Hi and watch Nolan pass him by...

 

[S E P H]

So then who do we have that we can compare him to?

As I've mentioned before, I see a lot of Alesander Barkov elements in his game including perhaps his talent level as well. Probably won't shine offencively to other players picked 1st overall, but getting a very reliable two-way centre with good body size is close to homerun pick IMO.

Yes Jake V says hi....

But Jake V can barely tie his own skates, never mind tie Patrick's.

Middle'ing Hockey IQ......Very High Hockey IQ

So yes Jake can say Hi and watch Nolan pass him by...

Calling Virtanen's hockey IQ as "middling" is too generous, the dude is just a dumb hockey player. You're right though that Patrick will just dominate him in every regards during their primes'.

 

[Daximus]

In years eh, Jake Virtanen says hi

 

[Gstank]

As I've mentioned before, I see a lot of Alesander Barkov elements in his game including perhaps his talent level as well. Probably won't shine offencively to other players picked 1st overall, but getting a very reliable two-way centre with good body size is close to homerun pick IMO.


Calling Virtanen's hockey IQ as "middling" is too generous, the dude is just a dumb hockey player. You're right though that Patrick will just dominate him in every regards during their primes'.

Sorry but how many Canucks game have you watched? The only dumb one in this post is someone not watching someone play before making assumptions

I cleary copied one section thats the only section that applies to what i said. If I meant the whole post i would have copied the whole post

 

[Daximus]

Sorry but how many Canucks game have you watched? The only dumb one in this post is someone not watching someone play before making assumptions

I cleary copied one section thats the only section that applies to what i said. If I meant the whole post i would have copied the whole post

I have I watch a lot of Canucks games. I also watched him a number of times when he played for Calgary not to mention the WJC's.
He isn't even in the same stratosphere as Patrick. He's about as one-dimensional as you can get.

 

[John Agar]

As I've mentioned before, I see a lot of Alesander Barkov elements in his game including perhaps his talent level as well. Probably won't shine offencively to other players picked 1st overall, but getting a very reliable two-way centre with good body size is close to homerun pick IMO.


Calling Virtanen's hockey IQ as "middling" is too generous, the dude is just a dumb hockey player. You're right though that Patrick will just dominate him in every regards during their primes'.

You caught me... I admit it.... I really meant to say dumb, but it's in my genetics to find other words. One of my favorite lines from Austin Power's movies and there are many good quotes; Dr Evil "You are the margarine of evil"

Well Virtanen's hockey IQ is "the margarine of evil"

 

[Gstank]

I have I watch a lot of Canucks games. I also watched him a number of times when he played for Calgary not to mention the WJC's.
He isn't even in the same stratosphere as Patrick. He's about as one-dimensional as you can get.

And that would explain it..... He been very good since the WJC and I believe he has 5 goals since he has return, which is one of the best on our team. Mind you thats not saying much considering we can't score.

 

[John Agar]

And that would explain it..... He been very good since the WJC and I believe has 6 goals since he has return, which is one of the best on our team. Mind you thats not saying much considering we can't score.

Gstank... for a lot of hockey folks in Canada this would apply... the lasting vision of his choices over and over again at the WJC. This would be most Canadian hockey fans, even some Canuck fans I dare say...

Lets give J. V. some credit and say he has been better, yes he has.

That is showing maturity and a better mindset. This is good for J. V. and Canuck fans. I hope he keeps it up for his sake and un-hinges his mind as a teenager to becoming an effective adult hockey player. This has been what was lacking, call it ego, call it arrogance, call it childish it amounts to impaired development.

Now getting back to the Nolan Patrick thread: impaired development will never be an obstacle for Nolan Patrick, I forgot to mention maturity beyond his years and his background & attached influences will never go away. Huge upside there.

 

[kiable]

In years eh, Jake Virtanen says hi

Virtanan first 2 seasons 133 games 61G 44A = 105pts
Patrick first 2 seasons 122 games 69G 81A = 150pts and still counting

So not sure what you are getting at?

 

[Gstank]

Virtanan first 2 seasons 133 games 61G 44A = 105pts
Patrick first 2 seasons 122 games 69G 81A = 150pts and still counting

So not sure what you are getting at?

Was getting at the Goals part. Considering the team Patrick plays on, to call him "the best goal scorer in years" is a stretch

 

[kiable]

Was getting at the Goals part. Considering the team Patrick plays on, to call him "the best goal scorer in years" is a stretch

And yet Patrick still has more goals in less game so still not getting where you were going? And considering the Calgary team Virtanan played on those 2 seasons your argument is moot. Actually if you were to even add Virtanans next full season he played 50 games and still only has 9 more points than Patrick has right now and only 13 more goals..

 

[sbtatter]

In years eh, Jake Virtanen says hi

First 150 games, Virtanen scored 39 Even strength goals, Patrick 55
Total assists in first 150 games, Virtanen 40, Patrick 85
Goal scoring isn't even close between them, let alone all other facets

 

[Gstank]

And yet Patrick still has more goals in less game so still not getting where you were going? And considering the Calgary team Virtanan played on those 2 seasons your argument is moot. Actually if you were to even add Virtanans next full season he played 50 games and still only has 9 more points than Patrick has right now and only 13 more goals..

Umm Brandon scored 340 goals in his first year and is on pace for about 320 this year. The Hitmen scored 267 and 287 goals in Virtanens first two season. Unless 100 more goals is some how equal then it's a very solid point. Also the Hitmen didn't have nearly the amount of talent that Brandon has/had.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Why are you guys arguing about a comparasion that makes no sense as they are two completely different players. I understand for draft comparasions but you cant compare the two on points. Patrick is what every team wants in a power forward. Size, hands, speed and vision also on top of that his two way play is off the charts. His dominance since December is truley amazing to watch. At 17 he already looks to be pro ready. He makes everyone he plays with better not only by setting them up but giving them room on the ice by controling the pace kinda loke Provorov does for them.. If i were to compare him to an NHL'er id say a better Getzlaf.

No one is arguing over anything. An individual claimed that mackinnon as 16 year old was comparable to patrick as a 17 year old. the comparison was ridiculous by every metric.

Thing was reinhart was the focal point of his team and was given lots of ice time, Patrick has had to share time with all the other talent on the team, on the flip side Patrick has had more talented team mates
Anyway, reinhart scored 45 even strength goals in his first 150 games, compared to Patrick's 55 in 150

Maybe a good way to look at Patrick's production is to compare him to other players on the high scoring WKs these last three years
Patrick 55 goals
Hawryluk 44 ES goals in 150 games (2nd round pick)
J Quennville 32 goals (1st round pick)
Shmyr 32 goals (undrafted)
Duke 31 goals (5th round pick)
Mcgauley 23 goals (signed by Washington before his 20 year old season)

So you can see Patrick's goal scoring is far above his teammates, so that should take away the thought that he's only scoring because he's on an offensive team. He is Getzlaf and Thornton size with Toews like two way play, and the highest scorer in 150 games to come out of the dub in years

which, i assume, would result in him getting high level exposure elsewhere. Reinhart is easily a high level player. I don't get why ppl get salty over the idea a kid like patrick is a reinhart player.

 

[Daximus]

which, i assume, would result in him getting high level exposure elsewhere. Reinhart is easily a high level player. I don't get why ppl get salty over the idea a kid like patrick is a reinhart player.

Because he's better than Reinhart and it's readily apparent if you've ever watched the two of them play. He's a better two-way player and he's bigger, more physical not only that but he has higher offensive upside.

 

[bruins3]

Patrick

I watch patrick play almost every home game. This kid is the real deal. I dunno about the comparing him to other players or whatnot. Way to hard to compare stat wise anyways i think as theres so many variables in that. I saw virtanen play a decent amoubt of junior games as well. And id say without a doubt patrick is a mucb better player. Not comparing any stats but a better overall player without a doubt.

 

[Keystone]

Done at different ages mind you, but his first 2 seasons have been pretty similar to RyJo. RyJo didn't enter the league with Nolans pedigree either so he was later getting the opportunity. I see lots of similarities in ability and size as well as playing for very talented teams. RyJo could control the play and make things look so easy just like Nolan does. Nolans defensive ability could give him a leg up on surpassing RyJo though. I don't think either is gonna win an Art Ross, but both are bonefide number one Center material.

 

[sbtatter]

I see THN has Patrick at #1 for 2017 in their futures issue

 

[MardyBum]

Man if only he were a bit older. Slim chance we'll have a shot at him next year. Would make me less worrisome about the lottery lol.

 

[sbtatter]

Done at different ages mind you, but his first 2 seasons have been pretty similar to RyJo. RyJo didn't enter the league with Nolans pedigree either so he was later getting the opportunity. I see lots of similarities in ability and size as well as playing for very talented teams. RyJo could control the play and make things look so easy just like Nolan does. Nolans defensive ability could give him a leg up on surpassing RyJo though. I don't think either is gonna win an Art Ross, but both are bonefide number one Center material.

Didn't RyJo join the dub as a 17 year old after a 16 year old season in the CCHL? In his first 150 WHL games he potted 49 ES goals
I think he has had a good career for a 4th overall pick, interesting to note in that draft St. Louis picked Schwartz at 14 and tarasenko at 16, pretty amazing value!