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C Nick Suzuki - Guelph Storm, OHL (2017, 13th, VGK; traded to MTL)

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I love Suzuki. He seems like he has taken his game to another level this year. He seem faster and even more dangerous offensively. He’s certainly trending to be a good first line winger. 25-35 goals & 60-70 points per season is where he’s going to be for most of his career. Can’t wait to see him in Montreal.
 
He's a very smart and shifty player , he's going to go through the growing pains of facing NHL physicality but it shouldn't be a problem. I can see him spending a year in the AHL and making the team in a top 6/9 role by 2020-2021.

He's got the tools and the toolbox hopefully it translates well to the NHL game (I personally think it will , especially if we look at how the game is evolving).
 
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Gainesvillain said:
Yes...McCarron's long, storied...erm...2 year OHL career.:nod:
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Feel free to include his 8 USNDT goals prior 2 seasons and still he would not beat Robin. Would be a tie with 50.
Was surprised he had 3 shots at the NHL in 3 seasons total 69 games. Thought he had less games.
Guy drafted right behind him was Shea Theodore, the ld Habs are looking for.
 
ImNeverWrong said:
Lol jealous we have a better prospect pool than your team. Lol.
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Probably depends on your definition of a prospect. Is Kotkaniemi a prospect? Hart? Juulsen? Myers? They all played NHL games. Do they count? Poehling played 1 game, does he count?

Otherwise its a waste of time to compare prospects.

I would set the bar at the 2016 draft so last 3 drafts, whether they played in the NHl or not.
 
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MSSLYNX said:
Probably depends on your definition of a prospect. Is Kotkaniemi a prospect? Hart? Juulsen? Myers? They all played NHL games. Do they count? Poehling played 1 game, does he count?

Otherwise its a waste of time to compare prospects.

I would set the bar at the 2016 draft so last 3 drafts, whether they played in the NHl or not.
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I’d personally qualify a prospect, someone who is still in major development whereever he played in the NHL or not. Development isn’t linear so it’s hard to say. But easily from 18-22 year old are prospect! Why would a guy that played in the NHL already at 20 year old vs a guy still in Junior at 20 wouldn’t be allowed to be called a prospect? They are both still developing, difference is one is either better, further in his developpement or simply was rushed! Thats my 2 cents!
 
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HOPE said:
I’d personally qualify a prospect, someone who is still in major development whereever he played in the NHL or not. Development isn’t linear so it’s hard to say. But easily from 18-22 year old are prospect! Why would a guy that played in the NHL already at 20 year old vs a guy still in Junior at 20 wouldn’t be allowed to be called a prospect? They are both still developing, difference is one is either better, further in his developpement or simply was rushed! Thats my 2 cents!
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Agree. 22 means you include 2015 draft which is fine. Just got to know the rules before claiming my prospects are better than your prospects.

edit: placed the bar at 2016 mainly because 2015 was a bad draft class for Mtl besides Juulsen who might make it while Philly got Provorov and Konecny. Would have been flamed in seconds lol
 
CanuckistanFlyerfan said:
Ratcliffe scored 91 goals in the same span McCarron scored 42. There is that better?
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One has actually pretty good talent even for the NHL level, good skating for a guy his size, actual top-6 upside, a good arsenal of shots with a potent release and a pretty good hockey sense.

The other is more physical, better defensively, is not a good shooter, has pretty bad skating technique and mechanics (his main weakness) which means he expends a lot more energy moving around than other players (couple that with McCarron's underwhelming level of cardio and it's even worse, with him finishing every shift more exhausted than the other guys, having trouble playing his type of game while dead tired all the time) and, although improving as a prospect that still hasn't nearly reached his ceiling yet, probably has bottom-6 upside at best at this point and looks to be an NHL journeyman in all likelyhood.

I know which one of the two I'd pick, as do you.
 
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MSSLYNX said:
Haha probably.
In the pre-draft 6 pages Suzuki thread, only 1 habs fan showed up. In the 2 Vegas pages, only 1 Habs fan commented and twice it was to point out his skating which was a concern to him.
Next 19 pages are a little different lets leave it at that.
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Not that it matters, but here's proof that your numbers are lazy/misleading. If you actually read the first few pages you would see numerous Habs fans posts. Obviously we post more about him now that he's in our system. We have a 40 page thread about him on the Habs board, we didn't have a thread for him before the trade obviously...

The Great Weise said:
Would like him on the Habs
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Jeffrey said:
Why is this guy not a consensus top pick?

I would like to know what is wrong with him?? I just don't get it.
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ProspectsSTC said:
3 goals and an assist, up to 85 points in 58 games, 16 goals, 12 assists in his last 12 games.
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Stive Morgan said:
What's with this obsession over size? Suzuki's only an inch shorter than Hischier and he actually weighs more than him. If size is so important they may as well draft Nicolas Hague 1st overall.

Suzuki should be a top 5 pick but I know he won't.
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Kobe Armstrong said:
He has over 50 more points this year than he did last season in less games. That's what I call a break out! Hoping the Habs can move up for him or Pettersson
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DJKhaled said:
Flyers would’ve had the better pool if they didn’t pick Nolan Patrick. They really screwed up that pick. Lol.
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How far off the board should they have gone?

The overwhelming consensus at the time was that he was 1-2 overall and no lower. Hindsight makes things a lot easier but how many trams realistically would’ve skipped him if they had owned #2 in that draft?
 
koyvoo said:
How far off the board should they have gone?

The overwhelming consensus at the time was that he was 1-2 overall and no lower. Hindsight makes things a lot easier but how many trams realistically would’ve skipped him if they had owned #2 in that draft?
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Who knows? I’m just saying the Flyers would be better off with Makar or Heiskanen especially since Provorov doesn’t look like he will become a number 1 dman.
 
I much prefer him over his brother, Ryan.

I think 0.75 ppg in the AHL next year would be a successful season for him. Anything above that is a bonus.
 
I want him in the AHL unless he turns out to be top 6 quality as soon as next season and gets playing time accordingly.

Which obviously isn’t going to happen.
 
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Yeah, same here. Would like him to start in the AHL. I think it's the right time for us to bring our prospects when they're ready and not rush things out there. We'll have a potentially very good AHL team next year with prospects like Suzuki, Poehling, Brook, Fleury, Primeau, Teasdale, etc. I don't think I've ever seen the Habs with such an AHL team in my 15-20 years of watching. We'll have time for the player to understand the system, work on their weaknesses and gain experience before jumping in. I think our future looks very good in part because of that!
 
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