C Mitchell Marner - London Knights, OHL (2015 Draft)

[Sonic Disturbance]

I honestly don't see him getting past 4th. I really wish the Leafs finish 4th. Then I don't care who they take because they had the choice to pick Marner/Strome/Barzal/Provorov etc and made a decision.

People will be pissed but I am confident about Leafs scouting in top 10. They have made the smarter picks when everyone else hoped for someone else.

Paajarvi vs. Kadri, Rielly vs. Grigorenko, Ritchie vs. Nylander etc.

I'd take Kadri, Rielly, Nylander in hindsight despite wanting someone different at the draft.

Ritchie vs. Nylander is way too early too decide. Plus, you had Ehlers right behind who is arguably doing just as well this year. It wasn't really Rielly vs. Grigorenko in reality or on HFBoards. The majority of Leafs fans on here wanted Filip Forsberg... who is playing better thus far. Lindholm was drafted right after and Trouba a few picks later, both of whom I'd take over Rielly.

 

[EichHart]

Completely agree on all points. I've been surprised every draft since, except for the Gauthier pick which still has time to pan out but i was less than excited for obvious reasons that are evident (not amazing progress and low ceiling, still looking like a solid potentially useful player) but nevertheless whoever we pick this year I will support our scouts.

Also, I don't usually get emotionally invested in undrafted prospects and get pissed if a guy I liked wasn't taken cause theres no point in wasting the energy, what's done is done, just gotta be a good fan and support our boys.

Find me a team that doesn't support their scouts, everyone on this forum says this.

 

[hockeey]

He's at 2 points a game right now which is higher than mackinnon, Bennett, or reinhart during their draft years. Is this partly because of his linemates or is he the one running that line? If he was in the 2014 or 2013 draft where would he rank compared to the other forwards? I know stats shouldn't be everything when evaluating a prospect but he's blowing away the stats of star prospects during their draft years.

 

[JayTam]

Find me a team that doesn't support their scouts, everyone on this forum says this.

Edmonton says Hi! Haven't had a legit guy picked past the First round that turned into a Real NHLer since '06...

 

[7even]

He's at 2 points a game right now which is higher than mackinnon, Bennett, or reinhart during their draft years. Is this partly because of his linemates or is he the one running that line? If he was in the 2014 or 2013 draft where would he rank compared to the other forwards? I know stats shouldn't be everything when evaluating a prospect but he's blowing away the stats of star prospects during their draft years.

Little of column A, little of column B methinks. He's the most talented player on that line, but playing with who he plays with doesn't hurt his totals, either.

Edmonton says Hi! Haven't had a legit guy picked past the First round that turned into a Real NHLer since '06...

Was about to say just this. Unfortunate, too. If they'd been able to find one or two gems in the later rounds, they're in all likelihood a much better team.

As it stands, they have a lot of high end talent, but their supporting cast is just abysmal.

 

[rt]

MacKinnon's totals certainly weren't hurt by Drouin.

 

[Halfy]

yes we know

ok, thanks for telling me. I was absolutely shocked when I saw you already knew.

 

[Halfy]

He's at 2 points a game right now which is higher than mackinnon, Bennett, or reinhart during their draft years. Is this partly because of his linemates or is he the one running that line? If he was in the 2014 or 2013 draft where would he rank compared to the other forwards? I know stats shouldn't be everything when evaluating a prospect but he's blowing away the stats of star prospects during their draft years.

IMO. 2013 draft he'd be top 10, but not top 5. 2014, he'd be top 3.

 

[The Podium]

He's at 2 points a game right now which is higher than mackinnon, Bennett, or reinhart during their draft years. Is this partly because of his linemates or is he the one running that line? If he was in the 2014 or 2013 draft where would he rank compared to the other forwards? I know stats shouldn't be everything when evaluating a prospect but he's blowing away the stats of star prospects during their draft years.

I am a strong believer that the entire top 5 this draft would be hands down (McDavid or Eichel) or arguably (Strome, Marner, Hanifin) the 1st overall selection in all drafts since Tavares.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

I am a strong believer that the entire top 5 this draft would be hands down (McDavid or Eichel) or arguably (Strome, Marner, Hanifin) the 1st overall selection in all drafts since Tavares.

No chance any of those 3 go #1 in any draft, sorry.

 

[The Podium]

No chance any of those 3 go #1 in any draft, sorry.

I wouldn't be so confident. I would put them on the same tier as Ekblad, Yakupov, Hall, etc.

 

[ProspectsSTC]

No chance any of those 3 go #1 in any draft, sorry.

2011/12 you could make an argument for sure. And Hanifin vs Ekblad isn't as easy as you might think.

 

[Stephen]

I wouldn't be so confident. I would put them on the same tier as Ekblad, Yakupov, Hall, etc.

I don't think those players would edge out a Seguin, Mackinnon or Ekblad.

 

[buttman*]

Marner reminds me of Seguin -- a little smaller -- but lots of similarities.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

I don't think those players would edge out a Seguin, Mackinnon or Ekblad.

I see the Marner, Strome, Hanifin group maybe 1 spot ahead of where they will likely go (3,4,5)

See them as a strong 2,3,4 in most drafts - doubt any one of them could carry a number 1 in their draft.

Compare to 2,3,4's
Reinhart,Bennett, Draisaitl
Barkov, Drouin, Jones (eerily similar: Big center, undersized skilled center/winger, stud potential dman)
Murray, Galchenyuk, Reinhart

 

[The Podium]

I don't think those players would edge out a Seguin, Mackinnon or Ekblad.

Marner and Strome handidly out scored Seguin in his draft year and like Seguin Marner will lead the league in scoring. I'd probably still take Seguin as he had few deficiencies in his game but and argument can be made.

 

[BigWilly]

2008: Stamkos
2010: Hall
2011: RNH
2012: Yakupov
2014: Ekblad

In my opinion Marner, Strome and Hanifin would have been in contention with all of these players for first overall at the time of the respective drafts.

We have to consider where the players were when they were drafter, not the player they are now. Ekblad was no more hyped than Hanifin is currently.

 

[covfefe]

Why are these hypotheticals being bounced around? There is no way to substantiate any claims about where players A, B, or C would be chosen had they been born 5 years earlier. This year's top end is elite, and relative to the past several drafts, seems unquestionably better. But the cognitive dissonance exhibited here is somewhat startling. In every draft players are selected outside of the top end who end up either equal, or superior to, guys picked much higher than them. This year will be no different, and in 5 years some team is going to be asking themselves the same question that Tampa started asking themselves this year about Brett Connolly, or Boston with Zach Hamill, or Dallas with Scott Glennie, or Toronto with Luke Schenn, or Columbus with...Filatov, Zherdev, Brule, Picard, Pascal Leclaire...

Don't twist up what I am saying here, as I am in no way suggesting McDavid/Eichel/Marner/Hanifin/whoever fills out the 5th slot are going to fail. Just that the very real possibility exists that one of these gents will not live up to his billing. That's just life

 

[Sonic Disturbance]

2008: Stamkos
2010: Hall
2011: RNH
2012: Yakupov
2014: Ekblad

In my opinion Marner, Strome and Hanifin would have been in contention with all of these players for first overall at the time of the respective drafts.

We have to consider where the players were when they were drafter, not the player they are now. Ekblad was no more hyped than Hanifin is currently.

Only see Yak/RNH drafts where these players would be in contention. Hall was hyped noticeably more, as was Ekblad. Stamkos? Are you kidding me? None of those players were even close to his hype in 2008.

 

[Stats01]

Marner and Strome handidly out scored Seguin in his draft year and like Seguin Marner will lead the league in scoring. I'd probably still take Seguin as he had few deficiencies in his game but and argument can be made.

I think Marner's playmaking skills are better than Seguin's in junior. Seguin had less deficiencies but that you can teach and help him learn to get better at (whatever the issues are). You can't teach Marner's vision/IQ/hands/skill. Can't really go wrong with either one really but at the same point in their junior careers I think Marner has the slight edge.

 

[Stats01]

2008: Stamkos
2010: Hall
2011: RNH
2012: Yakupov
2014: Ekblad

In my opinion Marner, Strome and Hanifin would have been in contention with all of these players for first overall at the time of the respective drafts.

We have to consider where the players were when they were drafter, not the player they are now. Ekblad was no more hyped than Hanifin is currently.

very true. You're lying if anyone saw the season Ekblad was going to have. Florida thought they got a great young prospect I don't think they realized they got an elite future franchise D-man who at the age of 18-19 looks already to be in line to be a captain.

 

[Moskau]

Only see Yak/RNH drafts where these players would be in contention. Hall was hyped noticeably more, as was Ekblad. Stamkos? Are you kidding me? None of those players were even close to his hype in 2008.

He said in their respective drafts, reading is hard. Stamkos was not that hyped. In fact he was one of the least hyped #1 overall picks in the last decade.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

He said in their respective drafts, reading is hard. Stamkos was not that hyped. In fact he was one of the least hyped #1 overall picks in the last decade.

I agree with that, but he was still seen as a better prospect than Marner, Strome, or Hanifin are right now, and its not really close.

 

[hockeey]

I agree with that, but he was still seen as a better prospect than Marner, Strome, or Hanifin are right now, and its not really close.

Do you think that besides mcdavid and eichel, this draft is a but overhyped? I've heard people call it a deep draft and even say there were star players up to ~ 10th pick. Its hard to predict how each prospect will develop but looking at picks 3-15, is this draft just average?

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Do you think that besides mcdavid and eichel, this draft is a but overhyped? I've heard people call it a deep draft and even say there were star players up to ~ 10th pick. Its hard to predict how each prospect will develop but looking at picks 3-15, is this draft just average?

I know you didn't quote me - But IMO.

This draft has:

2 X 1st overall players (McDavid / Eichel)
3 X 2nd overall players (Hanifin / Marner / Strome)
3 X 3rd overall players (Werenski / Provorov / Barzal)

I think in any given draft, teams would be happy with these players in the top3.

Seems like one of those Getzlaf/Carter/Perry/Richards drafts where there are some quality players overshadowed by the bloatedness of the top10