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C Logan Brown - Windsor Spitfires, OHL (2016, 11th, OTT)

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snipetype said:
Anze Kopitar went 11th overall and I'm sure a lot of teams are kicking themselves for missing out on a number 1 C.
Could we see a repeat? I think it's up to Logan. He's got the skillset. Does he have the will?
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He could, but outside of both going 11th and being big they don't have much in common. Kopitar didn't emerge til his draft year, and was unheard of coming from Slovenia to play in Sweden. Scouts were naturally hesitant because they really had no background on the kid and he only played 11 games at a level better than Swedish Jrs (5 SEL games, and 6 World Champinship games). Brown on the other hand has been known about since he was 15 in NHL scouting circles, there is no chance teams have underscouted him, if anything its more likely they overscouted him. Either way he should have a strong year in Windsor, that team should be rolling 2 very strong lines if they don't lose Fischer.
 
93LEAFS said:
He could, but outside of both going 11th and being big they don't have much in common. Kopitar didn't emerge til his draft year, and was unheard of coming from Slovenia to play in Sweden. Scouts were naturally hesitant because they really had no background on the kid and he only played 11 games at a level better than Swedish Jrs (5 SEL games, and 6 World Champinship games). Brown on the other hand has been known about since he was 15 in NHL scouting circles, there is no chance teams have underscouted him, if anything its more likely they overscouted him. Either way he should have a strong year in Windsor, that team should be rolling 2 very strong lines if they don't lose Fischer.
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Jeff Carter (11th) and Getzlaf (19th) both slipped through the cracks somehow, and they were both from the CHL. Ryan Johansen was a huge reach at #4, and was similarly ranked to Brown pre draft. There's definitely enough examples to show that Brown wouldn't be unique if he does break out as a big #1C after being taken at #11.

I think he had just enough inconsistencies in his game to make him not a slam dunk top 5 pick. Interestingly enough he showed no signs of slowing down after the turn of the new year, and just kept getting better.

I think he's going to be another pick that people look back on and wonder how so many teams passed up on him.
 
Samsquanch said:
Jeff Carter (11th) and Getzlaf (19th) both slipped through the cracks somehow, and they were both from the CHL. Ryan Johansen was a huge reach at #4, and was similarly ranked to Brown pre draft. There's definitely enough examples to show that Brown wouldn't be unique if he does break out as a big #1C after being taken at #11.

I think he had just enough inconsistencies in his game to make him not a slam dunk top 5 pick. Interestingly enough he showed no signs of slowing down after the turn of the new year, and just kept getting better.

I think he's going to be another pick that people look back on and wonder how so many teams passed up on him.
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I don't disagree, I just didn't think the situation was very comparable to Kopitar's, which was very unique situation. A significant reason for Kopitar slipping was due to scouts really not being comfortable to "own a pick." Niklas Lidstrom was passed over once, Adam Oates went undrafted, there are tons of draft stories along those lines etc. Just would add Johansen going 4th was probably a lesser reach than Getzlaf slipping to 19. Pretty sure he was viewed as a top 10 guy. Also the 2013 class was stacked.

Outside of Puljujarvi, I don't think there was much of a gap between 4 and 11 in the 2016 draft. It wouldn't shock me if Brown became the best player of that tier, but it also wouldn't shock me if he ended up the worst.
 
Another more comparable would be Chara. I know Chara is a Defenceman and Brown is a center but they are both huge players and Chara was able to improve his skating, there is no reason to think Brown can't do the same.

Its also fitting that Ottawa got him.
 
Ottawa's had Yashin, Bonk and Spezza as bigger bodied centers who weren't speedy or bruising. But used their size a reach advantage to shield the puck and play keep away from smaller players. Brown wasn't drafted for size, because he's not a bruiser. He was drafted for his play making ability and his size can help him maintain possession at the next levels.

I'm hoping/expecting for something in between Spezza and Bonk.
 
93LEAFS said:
I don't disagree, I just didn't think the situation was very comparable to Kopitar's, which was very unique situation. A significant reason for Kopitar slipping was due to scouts really not being comfortable to "own a pick." Niklas Lidstrom was passed over once, Adam Oates went undrafted, there are tons of draft stories along those lines etc. Just would add Johansen going 4th was probably a lesser reach than Getzlaf slipping to 19. Pretty sure he was viewed as a top 10 guy. Also the 2013 class was stacked.

Outside of Puljujarvi, I don't think there was much of a gap between 4 and 11 in the 2016 draft. It wouldn't shock me if Brown became the best player of that tier, but it also wouldn't shock me if he ended up the worst.
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at least you have all your bases covered, best or worst ;)
 
Samsquanch said:
Jeff Carter (11th) and Getzlaf (19th) both slipped through the cracks somehow, and they were both from the CHL. Ryan Johansen was a huge reach at #4, and was similarly ranked to Brown pre draft. There's definitely enough examples to show that Brown wouldn't be unique if he does break out as a big #1C after being taken at #11.

I think he had just enough inconsistencies in his game to make him not a slam dunk top 5 pick. Interestingly enough he showed no signs of slowing down after the turn of the new year, and just kept getting better.

I think he's going to be another pick that people look back on and wonder how so many teams passed up on him.
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I'd actually say Brown was a pretty big riser. He was considered mid to late first round until the U18's.

Having throught about it for a while, the best comparison I can muster for Brown in recent history is Mark Scheifele. Scheifele was even more of a riser, as he was virtually off the map at the start of his draft year. He put up very similar draft-year numbers in the same league, and is also pretty young for the draft. I'd say Scheifele was the slightly better prospect, and that was reflected in his higher draft position, and the fact that he was taken ahead of highly touted players such as Couterier and Hamilton. However, I think reasonable minds could differ on this point.

If Brown ends up like Scheifele, I'd say that Ottawa is happy.
 
Nac Mac Feegle said:
Yep. I'm happy with a 2C at the #11 pick. Good value. If he happens to really break out and become a 1C in 5+ years, that's a huge bonus.

The key with Brown is for all of us fans to be patient. I don't want him in the NHL for at least 3 seasons. Give the kid time to put on the right kind of muscle and learn how to use his body. Develop him the right way.
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My sentiments exactly.
 
Beesfan said:
I'd actually say Brown was a pretty big riser. He was considered mid to late first round until the U18's.

Having throught about it for a while, the best comparison I can muster for Brown in recent history is Mark Scheifele. Scheifele was even more of a riser, as he was virtually off the map at the start of his draft year. He put up very similar draft-year numbers in the same league, and is also pretty young for the draft. I'd say Scheifele was the slightly better prospect, and that was reflected in his higher draft position, and the fact that he was taken ahead of highly touted players such as Couterier and Hamilton. However, I think reasonable minds could differ on this point.

If Brown ends up like Scheifele, I'd say that Ottawa is happy.
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Wrong. Before the season started he was ranked in the top 10 by a lot of sources,

5th overall
6th overall
6th overall
7th overall
7th overall

He had a disappointing first half of the season where he dropped to the mid-late first, and then started to rebound after that.
 
Jon Targaryen said:
Wrong. Before the season started he was ranked in the top 10 by a lot of sources,

5th overall
6th overall
6th overall
7th overall
7th overall

He had a disappointing first half of the season where he dropped to the mid-late first, and then started to rebound after that.
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Yeah, depends on how you define season, the start of his fall started before the Jr season kicked off at the Hockey Canada Hilinka camp. But its season was very up/down. Started in the top 10, went down to the 20's, then back to the top 10 on most lists. For example, prior to the Hilinka camp HockeyProspect.com had him at 7 in their preview of the 2016 draft in the 2015 Blackbook. By the time their second set of rankings was released in late September he was 30th.

http://www.hockeyprospect.com/2016-nhl-draft-rankings-the-early-list/

http://www.hockeyprospect.com/2016-nhl-draft-rankings-hockeyprospect-com-september-top-50/

What he did to recover his stock at the end of the year and the U-18 was impressive. If he played close to that most of the year he goes top 5 and probably to Columbus at 3 as he has a better chance of staying at center long term than Dubois.
 
Brown scored a goal last night using his very large frame in the crease in Ottawa's 6-3 dismantling of the Leafs.

He skates pretty well for such a big guy and his hands are decent.

He'll have to continue building his strength and bulking up if he's going to be able to do the same in close with larger, stronger, more experienced d-men.

Might be a bit of a project, as is typical for power forwards, but he's coming along quite nicely.
 
NyQuil said:
Brown scored a goal last night using his very large frame in the crease in Ottawa's 6-3 dismantling of the Leafs.

He skates pretty well for such a big guy and his hands are decent.

He'll have to continue building his strength and bulking up if he's going to be able to do the same in close with larger, stronger, more experienced d-men.

Might be a bit of a project, as is typical for power forwards, but he's coming along quite nicely.
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Didn't see too much of him last night. I feel like he could be a jeff carter kind of player, he'll just have to improve his quickness a bit. Already has great mobility for a towering lanky guy. If he can pick up where he left off from the second half of last season, he's in for a huge year in windsor
 
trentmccleary said:
He's a lanky, 18yo, non-lottery pick playing against AHL'ers. I didn't expect anything. The rebound goal was a bonus.
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If there was a highlite pack with a red streak behind him I am sure he would have been more noticable.

In all seriousness, he played a smart game he has a good stick and goes to the right places. His hockey sense is his most attractive trait and he showed it last night. He is currently still growing his development curve is going to be a long one. The sens are going to take their time with him, when he puts on more muscle and gets used to his body I think he has the potential to be a very good player. You cant develop size and you cant train for hockey sense two things he has. His hands are pretty soft too, if they develop him properly he has a very high ceiling. But thats going to be up to him as much as it is the sens organization, he will need to have the drive to be and elite player.
 
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