BomaLightDevils
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6'7!?!?!?!?!?
There probably is a reason why so many teams didn't take your number 1 center. Let's start with how slow he is, that will get a lot of good players in trouble when they can't keep up with the play..
C Logan Brown - Windsor Spitfires, OHL (2016, 11th, OTT)
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6'7!?!?!?!?!?
There probably is a reason why so many teams didn't take your number 1 center. Let's start with how slow he is, that will get a lot of good players in trouble when they can't keep up with the play..
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Dude just stop. You know who wasn't a great skater at 18? And still isn't? Getzlaf. Didn't seem to hurt him.
Brown is plenty fast and will only get faster as he gets used to his body.
Peptic Balcers
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It's funny that you say that, because the biggest thing that surprised scouts about Brown was how fast he is for someone of that size
Sting
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I get it - your team passed up on Logan Brown and they will likely regret it. No need to start lying on here.
Brown is by no means slow. Where did you come up with that? Please give us some evidence where a trusted professional says as much, or video evidence concluding the guy is even below average. Brown is not held down by his speed any more than someone like Joe Thornton is. That is to say, it will be just fine.
BomaLightDevils
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Sorry that I forgot to write it, I thought I did but it was in the McLoed thread, but he's was I wrote: if he gets quicker feet, better mobility and more power then off course he could be a very very good player but I don't see it. I see a guy ended up in the button of a lineup. The competition only gets faster, stronger and bigger up til now that has been to Browns advantage that will change quickly if he doesn't adjust.
In what timeframe did Getzlaf shine in NHL. Can we agree that Getzlaf has been trending down the last two years?
Are you comparing Getzlaf skill, hardness, with Browns skill and like scouts have said "a soft player compared to he's size" now that we are using that mantra.
Again "for someone he's size" that doesn't mean you are fast. Just my take, love he's playmaking ability and he's shot.
I don't see a former 1 ovr pick in brown but I see he's game translating better to San Jose then Ottawa. But how a team plays can change rapidly.
I don't need evidence from scouts to make my yes My points in a player. That is this board is about. Opinions.
Agent Zuuuub
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You really think this is slow? He's one of the best skaters on the ice. Fantastic edges, great agility, good top speed. He'd be considered a good skater even if he was 6 ft 1.
His first step could get better, but it's no where near bad as you can see from the VID.
Why don't people watch players before commentating? instead of coming up with
"He's 6 ft 7 hurr durrr he must be slow"
Agent Zuuuub
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Anyway, you can really see his elite potential in this clip.
Amazing vision and playmaking, really patient with the puck, uses his size and reach, can rush the puck end to end, dekes out people with body feints showing superb agility, knows how to absorb pressure and create space for his teammates before finding them open
He's a student of the game too. Really excited to see what kind of numbers he puts up next year. He should flirt with 100
Sting
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Not sure where you are getting me saying Brown is going to be Joe Thornton - I was comparing their relative speed.
You don't need evidence from scouts to back up your opinions. That's fine. I'm asking what you are basing your opinion on. Is it a video? Have you watched Brown all season long? Something tells me neither.
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I think he'll blow 100 out of the water if he plays 60 games. The guy's skating has gone from average to start last season to well above average. He's faster, but more importantly he's got more balance in the corners and better agility with the puck. He really is one of those rare Hedman like talents who can skate extremely well regardless of height. I think he'll get even better as he fills out and gets a bit more weight closer to the ground.
Last year, he was still getting used to his size and how to use it, he was much more of a perimeter player. But by the end of the year, you could see how much more confident and capable he was with the puck along the boards and cutting to the net. As the year progressed, more and more of his points came from within 5 feet of the crease (6g in his first 34gp, 15g in last 25gp)
I think he comes in next year understanding that he doesn't just have to be a perimeter playmaker / sniper, but he can score tons off of deflections and rebounds because of his size, reach, and hands. That's what made him so good down the stretch and into the U18s, he was a double threat to beat you from the outside with a pass or snipe, or beat you right in front of your net.
I think he'll tear the OHL apart next season. I'm guessing 45g 110p if he plays 60gp. Should dominate the WJCs as well.
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Brown's skating is closer to Spezza's than it is to Getzlaf's or Thornton's. He's a good skater.
Also, I think his only real risk is injury. Beyond that, I think he's a very safe bet to be a #2 C, and maybe more.
Also, I think his only real risk is injury. Beyond that, I think he's a very safe bet to be a #2 C, and maybe more.
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Whatever .... do you have anything worthwhile to say or have you come over here to spew crap and give yourself a little pat on the back for passing on Brown and picking Mcleod... Great you done yet ...see ya later
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Yep. I'm happy with a 2C at the #11 pick. Good value. If he happens to really break out and become a 1C in 5+ years, that's a huge bonus.
The key with Brown is for all of us fans to be patient. I don't want him in the NHL for at least 3 seasons. Give the kid time to put on the right kind of muscle and learn how to use his body. Develop him the right way.
BomaLightDevils
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Sorry bud for having a opinion on certain players. I didn't know this was a dictator community were we all have to agree on what you or any other posters are saying.
Is it okay not to like big players with average skating. Yes I wrote slow and how I view slow can be a lot different in how you do it. Don't bash me because I have a view on a player. If you can't discuss pro's and cons why bother be here. One thing I can tell you is I'm not gonna pad your back when i don't agree with you.
Benttheknee
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He is complaining about the quality of your post in conjunction with the conclusion. For example, your opinion that he is slow is simply wrong. Unless you can find a scouting report that says so of course, but I haven't seen one. Pretty much all of them say he is very good for his size, which likely becomes fine for a regular sized guy. Call that average if you wish, but not slow.
Sting
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Nobody is bashing you for your opinion. Everyone wants to know where you opinion comes from and you keep dodging the question.
My theory: You see 6'7" and you jump on it because your team skipped on him, and you need to justify it somehow without ever having seen Logan Brown skate.
Samsquanch
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Come on dude, can't you give us a little bit of padding for our backs?
I think most people in here think that your "opinion" is baseless, and likely didn't come from actually watching him play, or from the opinions of scouts.
FWIW, an "average" skater is actually still a really good skater, not this prodding tank that slowly makes its way up and down the ice. I think you get confused by that.
It was like the other Devils fan that came in here and said that Brown and his junior dangling game would not translate to the NHL, and that he had no good skills/tools aside from being big. That's a red flag for anyone who's actually seen him, as that does describe his game at all...
When you make the focal point of your entire argument based on something that's not true in the eyes of everyone outside of the garden state, the only thing left to do is to question the motive of the poster. And let's just say that it doesn't take Sherlock to figure out what your angle is from there...
If the argument from the Jersey Boys was that Brown was inconsistent offensively and with his intensity, then these posts would make a lot more sense. He really was both of those things in the first half of the season.
Otherwise, Brown in the year 2016 is none of these things that you guys have described.
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ive always been a big fan of Brown but he really needs to work on his conditioning, thats by far his biggest hurdle (and im sure alot of teams were worried about it).
all the issues he has is linked to his poor conditioning/stamina (inconsistency, skating etc. hes actually a good skater but he wears out too fast).
all the issues he has is linked to his poor conditioning/stamina (inconsistency, skating etc. hes actually a good skater but he wears out too fast).
Samsquanch
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Agree but I wouldn't say it's a hard hurdle to overcome. He hasn't had the benefit of proper training up to this point.
The reason why is that being such a big kid, his dad (former NHLer and current OHL coach) advised him not to hit the gym until he was finished growing. And he just kept growing, and growing...
So basically he hasn't been training at all like he should be until the last 6 months or so, which also seems to coincide with his mid-late season surge.
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Smart trade by Ottawa and great pick up for them.
I don't know why, but I can see Brown become 65points or even more #1C that they need. Stay smart, develop him slowly, let him grow into his body and hope that he pans out.
I don't know why, but I can see Brown become 65points or even more #1C that they need. Stay smart, develop him slowly, let him grow into his body and hope that he pans out.
Benttheknee
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He was on Team1200 a while back and they asked him why did he improve so much post X-mas. He said it was because he finished school and was able to concentrate on hockey. Does that coincide with his training? I haven't heard about when he really started hitting the gym.
Samsquanch
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Fairly sure that he said it was around the new year when he started to realize that his season wasn't going the way he had hoped, and changed his mindset.
He started going to bed early, eating right, and hitting the gym. I think that he had already been training in the off-seasons, but none of that is going to pay dividends if you don't maintain it over the course of the year.
He trained with the Senators staff last off season.
http://windsorstar.com/sports/hockey/nhl-draft-spotlight-will-soon-shine-on-spits-centre-logan-brown
The issue I always heard (but haven't seen confirmed anywhere) was that there may of been worries over a concussion history dating back to his time with the jr. Blues. The only one that has been written up was him missing games at the end of 2014/15, but Rychel in that article denies it was a concussion and claims it was general fatigue.
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Anze Kopitar went 11th overall and I'm sure a lot of teams are kicking themselves for missing out on a number 1 C.
Could we see a repeat? I think it's up to Logan. He's got the skillset. Does he have the will?
Could we see a repeat? I think it's up to Logan. He's got the skillset. Does he have the will?
