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C Logan Brown - Windsor Spitfires, OHL (2016, 11th, OTT)
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bert
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Lets see how Brown does as an 18 year old on a stacked team just like Tkachuk.
Patmac40
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The guys who have been trying to knock him are Bruins and Devils fans for some reason. Most Leafs fans have seen him an awful lot (me included) and understand how good of a player he is.
Samsquanch
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I wouldn't say most leafs fans, but still glad to have some positive feedback from some of the reasonable fans like yourself.
Devils fans. Leafs fans. Bruins fans. Its all the same. One thing clear is that for whatever reason after Lohan Brown was drafted by Ottawa, he was suddenly no longer a rapidly rising prospect with the sky as his limit in the eyes of a lot fans on hfboards.
Im still shocked that he fell to the Sens, although you can't fault any of the teams for the picks ahead of him. I guess Im just thrilled that NJ and their fans are so enamoured with Michael McLeod.
Lol.
McLeod has question marks. So does Brown. These kids are 18. Devils fans are going to harp on Browns in the hope that picking McLeod wasn't a mistake. Sens are doing the same thing, hoping they didn't trade a 3rd round pick to move up one spot for the lesser player.
Perfectly reasonable from both sides to me and not rocket science.
McLeod has question marks. So does Brown. These kids are 18. Devils fans are going to harp on Browns in the hope that picking McLeod wasn't a mistake. Sens are doing the same thing, hoping they didn't trade a 3rd round pick to move up one spot for the lesser player.
Perfectly reasonable from both sides to me and not rocket science.
BondraTime
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Brown was the heavy favorite for guy most wanted by the Sens fans (within reason). Most thought he'd be gone by 8 at the latest so we really were beyond excited. I could care less how Mcleod does, pretty much everyone had Brown a lot higher on their wish list than Mcleod (and most had Mcleod a lot lower than 12 on their wishlist as well) prior to the draft.
This has nothing to do with hoping to convince ourselves one way or the other, it is conforming with the vast majorities thoughts before the draft even started.
Sigh.
How many times does it need to be pointed out, just how bad nhl scouting departments are. They are out scored by the aggregated rankings at least half the time. But tuck the majorities thoughts under your pillow if it helps you sleep at night.
I get flack for (supposedly) insulting one player, yet you insult three. Jessiman was the 12th overall pick in the most loaded draft in history (2003). Boyle was a first round pick. Colborne (who you didn't mention) was a mid first round pick, and was also compared to Joe Thornton just like Brown was. I didn't compare Brown to scrubs, I compared him to players that appeared very similar (in size and stats) to him in their respective drafts, and who were taken around the same spot.
If it could happen to those three players, it could just as easily happen to Brown.
If scouts only needed to look at size and stats, they wouldn't employ 20 of them per team.
Sure, and previously those same scouts that watched the players live picked guys like Jessiman, Colborne and Boyle around the same spot.
The same scouts from 13 years ago, in different organizations...
Like come on, you're being absolutely ridiculous, just to try and prove a point.
When Leafs fans are siding with Sens fans, in refute of your opinion, you're probably wrong.
You know what Jessiman, Colborne and Boyle all have in common but not with Brown?
2002-03 St. Sebastian's Arrows High-MA
2007–08 Camrose Kodiaks AJHL
2002-03 Dartmouth Big Green ECAC
Samsquanch
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Thank you for your honesty. It would have been insulting to Brown if someone who actually watched him play could be as harsh as you are.
Do yourself a favour and go watch logan brown play at the under 18s, then come back and make a new post. We will give you a mulligan.
Patmac40
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Sure but they still weren't touted for the same reason as Brown though. The teams that picked them (in general) saw size and thought that they would be impact players. Jessiman put up massive numbers in his draft year but his hockey IQ was a big question mark as well as a translatable defensive game to the NHL. They play really different games and isn't much use for a comparison. Joe Colborne did get those comparisons but understand that he was coming out of the AJHL and had consistency issues once he faced better competition. Brown is more projectable based on where he's coming from and the competition he's faced.
I haven't been harsh on Logan Brown. Everyone else has been harsh on Colborne, Boyle, Anisimov and the other players I compared him to. I think all of them are good players, and that Brown will be too. Obviously Jessiman was a bust at the NHL level, and an outlier. I don't expect that for Brown. It is really hard to make it in the NHL though, and the reality is that even for a high pick (10-20) to become an average player is a success story.
BondraTime
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You seem to be confused.
For one thing, Brown was well ahead of Mcleod on aggregate rankings.
For another, I wasn't talking about rankings or NHL scouting at all. I was talking about the "MAJORITY" of Sens fans on HF, trying to point out we aren't trying to convince ourselves of anything. We felt this way about Brown long before he was even a Sen.
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No this is the Brown thread... Pre Draft most mocks couldn't get anybody that wanted Mcleod in the the top 15. Even the Mcleod thread was mostly agreed at him missing some key ingrediants to being a top 2 line Center. Once he got drafted by the Devils that thread exploded. How many Sens fans are over there criticizing Mcleod since the Draft ? none or very close to it.
Of course you can come here and tell us how bad Brown is now just to make yourselves feel like you didn't totally crap the bed by trading down. We thank you for that anyway.
Reading is fundamental. If you think pointing out that both these prospects who were traded for each other have some elements to their respective games that are still question marks is criticising.... Wow. We are done.
I'm the one confused? You are the one touting pre-draft ratings after I just pointed out how flawed they are.
BondraTime
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Why don't you reread the conversation.
I'm clearly talking about the way we, Sens fans on HF, felt about Brown as a player before he was even a part of the Sens. I'm not, or haven't even once touted any kind of rankings once.
Plus, you were the one who said NHL scouting was bested by aggregated rankings, to which my reply was Brown wins that in a landslide. I don't have that line of thinking at all, I'm just responding to your claim.
You should heed your own advice before trying to give it out.
Brooklyndevil
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Most Devil fans aren't harping on Brown. It's just he's a Sentator now and that's that. I believe he'll be a very good player, just like McLeod. However, as posted they are only 18. I do believe both guys will be in NHL sooner than later due to their size.
Samsquanch
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You really are confused here, and judging by the posts that you made after this one, you still don't get what your saying, and it's kinda sad/funny...
If what you are saying is true, then the Sens getting Brown at 11 was fortunate, and the Devils reached a bit for McLeod at 12. Brown was drafted lower than expected, and McLeod was drafted higher. Do you not understand that?
Brown could very well end up like Joe Colborne or worse. That's the truth. But another obvious truth is that he could very well end up being a #1C and the second best from this draft. His potential ceiling is ridiculously high if he continues to play the way he has so far in 2016.
As for McLeod, well I don't really care about him tbh. Glad the Devils are happy with him, but I think that the fans in here bashing Brown are going to look ultra silly as soon as the season starts year. I think that Brown is going to take it to another level.
Neither of those players have stats matching Brown's. Brown is one of the elite offensive forwards in this draft. It's extremely rare to see tall guys dominate that much this early. Tall players with good (not amazing) stats at 18, like Getzlaf, Perry and Carter have a insanely good track record. All of them were around a PPG in the CHL, and not spectacular by any means in the U18's. If you look up 6'3"+ players who scored atleast 0.5PPG in the U18 of their draft year, and 1PPG or more in the CHL, or the equivalent, then almost all of them made it as top 6 forwards.
Guys like Colborne and Boyle didn't play in the CHL, their numbers were not that great and they weren't even part of the U18 team. Logan Brown was one of the stars of the U18 tournament. Do you realize that his offensive accomplishments at 18 is almost as good as Eric Staal's?
Logan Brown is a smart player. Good passer. Good puck transporter. He's huge. He's a good skater. He's simply an amazing prospect. The only reason why people have been silent about him is because the talent among the tall forwards of this draft is unprecedented.
There has never been a player of Brown's size that has the skill level Brown possesses. He's truly a unique specimen:
Currently 6'6.5, 215lbs - could be 6'7, 240lbs when he's fully physically-developed
Elite vision and playmaking ability
Above average shot (with an especially hard slapper)
Handles the puck extremely well
Strong skater for a big man, still room to get quicker
Sens GM Dorion raves about his hockey sense
Late-riser (had 38 points in his last 25 games)
Is still physically immature (still needs to fill out)
I see a lot of people capping his potential as a 2nd line center, but I see no reason why he can't be a 1st line center. If you ask me his upside is as high as any player in this draft besides Matthews and Laine.
Had this kid at 5th on my list before the draft. Couldn't believe he fell outside of the top 10. A lot of teams will regret passing on this kid. 6'7 #1 centers don't grow on trees.
Currently 6'6.5, 215lbs - could be 6'7, 240lbs when he's fully physically-developed
Elite vision and playmaking ability
Above average shot (with an especially hard slapper)
Handles the puck extremely well
Strong skater for a big man, still room to get quicker
Sens GM Dorion raves about his hockey sense
Late-riser (had 38 points in his last 25 games)
Is still physically immature (still needs to fill out)
I see a lot of people capping his potential as a 2nd line center, but I see no reason why he can't be a 1st line center. If you ask me his upside is as high as any player in this draft besides Matthews and Laine.
Had this kid at 5th on my list before the draft. Couldn't believe he fell outside of the top 10. A lot of teams will regret passing on this kid. 6'7 #1 centers don't grow on trees.
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I haven't commented on Brown much since the draft. Didn't see enough of him late in the year. Though I heard he came on.
Watched him earlier in the season, he looked like a lanky kid with a lot of raw ability. Had a good shot. Not very fluid player though which was my main concern. He is also not the most physical player, but that is more style than anything. Just because you are big does not mean you automatically play a mean game.
I think at #11 it was worth a shot to shoot for the moon. The player they past on is a guaranteed high end #3C and what I believe is a good #2C on a good team. The Sens are shooting for a higher ceiling. Interesting choice. Can't blame them. It's a risk as I can see this going either way.
Watched him earlier in the season, he looked like a lanky kid with a lot of raw ability. Had a good shot. Not very fluid player though which was my main concern. He is also not the most physical player, but that is more style than anything. Just because you are big does not mean you automatically play a mean game.
I think at #11 it was worth a shot to shoot for the moon. The player they past on is a guaranteed high end #3C and what I believe is a good #2C on a good team. The Sens are shooting for a higher ceiling. Interesting choice. Can't blame them. It's a risk as I can see this going either way.
Benttheknee
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On Team 1200 Ottawa, Brown was asked why he had a big turnaround post X-Mas, his reply was that he completed school and was able to concentrate on hockey.
