C Logan Brown - Windsor Spitfires, OHL (2016, 11th, OTT)

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

His 'elite' skills such as handling will not translate. The vision wont be lost, but if you think a guy of his size will be dangling in the NHL like he does in the juniors; youll be sorely mistaken.

He's not a dangler. Seriously, you should really watch the guy play before spouting all this garbage. He's a skilled playmaker who's strong on the puck and has a wicked release. He's also a lot faster than people think. He needs to improve his footspeed / acceleration, but what 6'6 - 6'7 18 year old doesn't?

It seems like you are baselessly attacking Brown in reaction to my comments about McLeod topping out as a 2nd line C. The scouting consensus is that Brown has a very high ceiling, possibly as a 70 point NHL #1C. I see his floor similar to that of 3rd line utility player, like a Brian Boyle. McLeod has a ceiling closer to Kesler, and a floor as a 4th line energy player.

 

[Samsquanch]

If all these things are true then there's no way he should have fallen to 11. Either you're exaggerating or you're smarter than almost a 3rd of the leagues GMs and paid scouts.

Im not the one exaggerating his abilities actually... I was quoting a published article, which I posted the link to.

Maybe he should have gone top 5? I dont know. What I do know is that he's been touted as having top 5 passing and top 5 stick handling abilities from the hockey writers, who get their info from about 5 or 6 different scouting outlets.

Here it is again.

http://thehockeywriters.com/logan-brown-the-next-ones-nhl-2016-draft-prospect-profile/

 

[BondraTime]

a problem (of opinion) in the scouting world is drafting based on physical+hockey ceiling. does a players size count for more or less than individual hockey talent?

some scouts see it as size cannot be changed (mostly) and for that reason raises ceiling. i dont believe in this, i think suze is overrated and ceiling/potential should not include size unless you are talking aspects that size can definitely impact (such as hitting).

again, i think Turris is their 1C and Brown will be ready either this year or next. middle 6 safe bet who can play almost all positions

i think its a good pick for Ottawa. just a matter of if you think it was worth taking 1st round, and while i dont if Ottawa needed the size and center position enough it made sense to make the pick

There is so much wrong with this post it's quite comical. Brown wasn't picked for his size, or his dangling, as you seem to put it. (Honestly, have you ever watched him play)

You seem to think that he is untalented because of his size? He has a lot more vision and puck skills than Mcleod. The only offensive skill Mcleod has on Brown is skating (Somehow you have hailed Mcleod a future 1st line Center)

Brown will not be in Ottawa this year, or next. That is pretty much assured.

They didn't draft him to be a "Big Center". The Sens never gave they Devils a 3rd round pick to move up because they saw a Big 3rd liner in Brown. They see a young guy, with a ridiculous offensive skillset, who turned his game up to another level in the 2nd half and U-18's.

I understand people who argue against Brown, but they should at least understand the type of player he is. You have not even come close once to describing his game, and threw out the old "I know a scout how has him 2nd round" shtick.

I also know a couple of scouts, as do others in the Sens forum. Before the draft even happened (before he was a Sen), we were told these scouts had Brown in the same tier as Dubois and Tkachuk.

There is no point in me saying this though, as it's as baseless as your claim as we can't empirically back it up.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

He's not a dangler. Seriously, you should really watch the guy play before spouting all this garbage. He's a skilled playmaker who's strong on the puck and has a wicked release. He's also a lot faster than people think. He needs to improve his footspeed / acceleration, but what 6'6 - 6'7 18 year old doesn't?

It seems like you are baselessly attacking Brown in reaction to my comments about McLeod topping out as a 2nd line C. The scouting consensus is that Brown has a very high ceiling, possibly as a 70 point NHL #1C. I see his floor similar to that of 3rd line utility player, like a Brian Boyle. McLeod has a ceiling closer to Kesler, and a floor as a 4th line energy player.

i think his hands are far from elite, perhaps you should learn to read the entire conversation not just what you want

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

i think his hands are far from elite, perhaps you should learn to read the entire conversation not just what you want

You said that he wouldn't be able to dangle in the NHL like he does in junior.

If you had ever watched him play you would have realized that he isn't a player who relies on dangling to create opportunities.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

You said that he wouldn't be able to dangle in the NHL like he does in junior.

If you had ever watched him play you would have realized that he isn't a player who relies on dangling to create opportunities.

in response to a poster that said he has elite hands. i never once said or thought he had elite hands

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

in response to a poster that said he has elite hands. i never once said or thought he had elite hands

You said he wouldn't be able to dangle in the NHL like he does in junior. Where did you get the idea that he dangles in junior.

Also, elite hands =/= dangling. For example, Hall is a great dangler but has average hands. Thornton has great hands but is not a dangler.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

in response to a poster that said he has elite hands. i never once said or thought he had elite hands

He's got excellent hands. not elite if that entails Datsyuk,Kane level. but he's got top line caliber hands

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

You said he wouldn't be able to dangle in the NHL like he does in junior. Where did you get the idea that he dangles in junior.

Also, elite hands =/= dangling. For example, Hall is a great dangler but has average hands. Thornton has great hands but is not a dangler.

Word.I don't ever remember Daniel Alfredsson going for a flashy deke or toe drag but he had excellent hands and was one of the best possession players in the league.

 

[Frk It]

Thornton has great hands but is not a dangler.

This I understand.

Hall is a great dangler but has average hands.

This I do not.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Group... Why don't you start a poll of Brown vs Mcleod + a 3rd and see how you do.

Obviously you aint doin' so well in here.

 

[Beesfan]

He's not a dangler. Seriously, you should really watch the guy play before spouting all this garbage. He's a skilled playmaker who's strong on the puck and has a wicked release. He's also a lot faster than people think. He needs to improve his footspeed / acceleration, but what 6'6 - 6'7 18 year old doesn't?

It seems like you are baselessly attacking Brown in reaction to my comments about McLeod topping out as a 2nd line C. The scouting consensus is that Brown has a very high ceiling, possibly as a 70 point NHL #1C. I see his floor similar to that of 3rd line utility player, like a Brian Boyle. McLeod has a ceiling closer to Kesler, and a floor as a 4th line energy player.

I think if he had a "wicked release" he would have scored more than 21 goals last year, including zero in the playoffs. This Logan Brown thing has taken on a life of its own. If he were 6'3, he would have been taken in the late first. I don't see any evidence in NHL history that being 6'7 as opposed to 6'3 is really an advantage. This is not basketball. Jamie Benn, Corey Perry and Alex Barkov are as big as any forward ever needs to be.

Decent comparables for Logan Brown include, on the low end, Hugh Jessiman, in the mid range, Brian Boyle, Jimmy Hayes and Joe Colborne, and on the high end Artem Anisimov. These guys all the Logan Brown of their drafts.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I think if he had a "wicked release" he would have scored more than 21 goals last year, including zero in the playoffs. This Logan Brown thing has taken on a life of its own. If he were 6'3, he would have been taken in the late first. I don't see any evidence in NHL history that being 6'7 as opposed to 6'3 is really an advantage. This is not basketball. Jamie Benn, Corey Perry and Alex Barkov are as big as any forward ever needs to be.

Decent comparables for Logan Brown include, on the low end, Hugh Jessiman, in the mid range, Brian Boyle, Jimmy Hayes and Joe Colborne, and on the high end Artem Anisimov. These guys all the Logan Brown of their drafts.

He's more skilled than all of them.He's one of the best passers in the draft and towards the 2nd half of the season was using his size more effectively.He does have a laser beam of a shot whose only downside is that he doesn't use it often as he is a pass first player. He did score like 15 goals in his last 26 games or something.

 

[Patmac40]

I think if he had a "wicked release" he would have scored more than 21 goals last year, including zero in the playoffs. This Logan Brown thing has taken on a life of its own. If he were 6'3, he would have been taken in the late first. I don't see any evidence in NHL history that being 6'7 as opposed to 6'3 is really an advantage. This is not basketball. Jamie Benn, Corey Perry and Alex Barkov are as big as any forward ever needs to be.

Decent comparables for Logan Brown include, on the low end, Hugh Jessiman, in the mid range, Brian Boyle, Jimmy Hayes and Joe Colborne, and on the high end Artem Anisimov. These guys all the Logan Brown of their drafts.

The reason he scored 21 goals is the fact that he hardly shot the first half of the year. The most frustrating part of his game was that he has an NHL level shot and release but he just never used it, had multiple games in the first half of the year where he had no shots at all. Every time he'd be in a scoring position he'd opt to pass it.

He had half of his goals in the last 15 games of the season so he figured it out probably from people telling him to shoot more and it paid off.

Also:
- Jessiman had an ounce of the vision and passing ability that Brown has
- Boyle doesn't currently and didn't have nearly as good of an offensive skill set and plays more of a heavy checking game
- Hayes has a good skill set but seems more inconsistent and doesn't have the passing acumen that Brown has
- Colborne has a balanced skill set but nothing that stands out quite like Brown. Doesn't move as well and not as good defensively.
- Anisimov has the two-way ability but is frustrating due to offensive consistency. Owns good passing ability. This is the only one who is relatively close as far as comparables are concerned based on the ones you have provided.

 

[bert]

I think if he had a "wicked release" he would have scored more than 21 goals last year, including zero in the playoffs. This Logan Brown thing has taken on a life of its own. If he were 6'3, he would have been taken in the late first. I don't see any evidence in NHL history that being 6'7 as opposed to 6'3 is really an advantage. This is not basketball. Jamie Benn, Corey Perry and Alex Barkov are as big as any forward ever needs to be.

Decent comparables for Logan Brown include, on the low end, Hugh Jessiman, in the mid range, Brian Boyle, Jimmy Hayes and Joe Colborne, and on the high end Artem Anisimov. These guys all the Logan Brown of their drafts.

You having a bad day or just trolling? While its not out of the realm of possibility that this could happen, I was skeptical before I watched him too or talked to any scouts. Maybe you should invest some time in watching him.

 

[Beesfan]

The reason he scored 21 goals is the fact that he hardly shot the first half of the year. The most frustrating part of his game was that he has an NHL level shot and release but he just never used it, had multiple games in the first half of the year where he had no shots at all. Every time he'd be in a scoring position he'd opt to pass it.

He had half of his goals in the last 15 games of the season so he figured it out probably from people telling him to shoot more and it paid off.

Also:
- Jessiman had an ounce of the vision and passing ability that Brown has
- Boyle doesn't currently and didn't have nearly as good of an offensive skill set and plays more of a heavy checking game
- Hayes has a good skill set but seems more inconsistent and doesn't have the passing acumen that Brown has
- Colborne has a balanced skill set but nothing that stands out quite like Brown. Doesn't move as well and not as good defensively.
- Anisimov has the two-way ability but is frustrating due to offensive consistency. Owns good passing ability. This is the only one who is relatively close as far as comparables are concerned based on the ones you have provided.

As the second consecutive poster to bring this up, how do you reconcile this argument with his goose egg in the playoffs. Show me just one high impact NHL forward that posted zero goals in the playoffs (assuming their team made it) in their draft year.

 

[Beesfan]

You having a bad day or just trolling?

Neither. This is a prospect board, and I'm offering an opinion on a prospect.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

I think if he had a "wicked release" he would have scored more than 21 goals last year, including zero in the playoffs. This Logan Brown thing has taken on a life of its own. If he were 6'3, he would have been taken in the late first. I don't see any evidence in NHL history that being 6'7 as opposed to 6'3 is really an advantage. This is not basketball. Jamie Benn, Corey Perry and Alex Barkov are as big as any forward ever needs to be.

Decent comparables for Logan Brown include, on the low end, Hugh Jessiman, in the mid range, Brian Boyle, Jimmy Hayes and Joe Colborne, and on the high end Artem Anisimov. These guys all the Logan Brown of their drafts.

LOL

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I think if he had a "wicked release" he would have scored more than 21 goals last year, including zero in the playoffs. This Logan Brown thing has taken on a life of its own. If he were 6'3, he would have been taken in the late first. I don't see any evidence in NHL history that being 6'7 as opposed to 6'3 is really an advantage. This is not basketball. Jamie Benn, Corey Perry and Alex Barkov are as big as any forward ever needs to be.

Decent comparables for Logan Brown include, on the low end, Hugh Jessiman, in the mid range, Brian Boyle, Jimmy Hayes and Joe Colborne, and on the high end Artem Anisimov. These guys all the Logan Brown of their drafts.

Why would a guy who put up 71p in 57gp in the OHL, and then 12p in 7gp go in the late first, especially if they were still 6'3? He's got the most career OHL points of any 1st round pick.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Why would a guy who put up 71p in 57gp in the OHL, and then 12p in 7gp go in the late first, especially if they were still 6'3? He's got the most career OHL points of any 1st round pick.

That's really not saying much considering there were only four OHL players who have played two seasons in the league selected in the first round and two of them were d-men (Chychrun, Stanley).

Congratulations to Logan for accumulating 10 more points over two regular seasons than Tkachuk scored in one. BTW, if you include playoff games, Tkachuk actually has the most career OHL points.

 

[Samsquanch]

I can't believe that Logan Brown is this polarizing of a prospect. Especially considering how he finished off the year (trending up in a huge way), Im surprised by the amount of people that are so vocal about their dislike for Brown.

He's apparently going to suprise a lot of people when they see just how skilled he actually is.

Hugh Jeissman? Brian Boyle? Hayes? Holy crap what lame and horrible comparables. It's like they were actually too lazy to even bother scrolling down the players stat page, and just looked at the title block with the height and weight.

You really don't need to answer the question of "have you ever seen him play?" after comments like those.

 

[benjiv1]

As the second consecutive poster to bring this up, how do you reconcile this argument with his goose egg in the playoffs. Show me just one high impact NHL forward that posted zero goals in the playoffs (assuming their team made it) in their draft year.

He thinks pass first? Hence the 6 assists?

What a random stat to try and pull. (I'm going down the list of top scorers from last season, and sticking with the CHL)

Getzlaf had 1G, 1A in the playoffs during his draft year. Is that really better than Brown's 6 assists? (Getz scored 29 goals that year, and had less points than Brown)

Jeff Carter had 0 Goals, 2 assists.

Mark Stone had 1 Goal, 3 Assists in 15 games.

Wayne Simmonds 1 G, 1 A.

Ryan O'Reilly 0 G, 5 A.

 

[Samsquanch]

He thinks pass first? Hence the 6 assists?

What a random stat to try and pull. (I'm going down the list of top scorers from last season, and sticking with the CHL)

Getzlaf had 1G, 1A in the playoffs during his draft year. Is that really better than Brown's 6 assists? (Getz scored 29 goals that year, and had less points than Brown)

Jeff Carter had 0 Goals, 2 assists.

Mark Stone had 1 Goal, 3 Assists in 15 games.

Wayne Simmonds 1 G, 1 A.

Ryan O'Reilly 0 G, 5 A.

I'm so glad someone bothered to look that up and shut that guy up.

What a totally random, useless argument to raise that obviously proves nothing.

 

[Patmac40]

As the second consecutive poster to bring this up, how do you reconcile this argument with his goose egg in the playoffs. Show me just one high impact NHL forward that posted zero goals in the playoffs (assuming their team made it) in their draft year.

He thinks pass first? Hence the 6 assists?

What a random stat to try and pull. (I'm going down the list of top scorers from last season, and sticking with the CHL)

Getzlaf had 1G, 1A in the playoffs during his draft year. Is that really better than Brown's 6 assists? (Getz scored 29 goals that year, and had less points than Brown)

Jeff Carter had 0 Goals, 2 assists.

Mark Stone had 1 Goal, 3 Assists in 15 games.

Wayne Simmonds 1 G, 1 A.

Ryan O'Reilly 0 G, 5 A.

Beat me to it. It's fine if you haven't watched him before, but at least plead ignorance up front rather than contriving arguments that are easily refuted. Logan Brown has a high ceiling as a player if his development continues on this path whether you want to believe it or not.

 

[Frk It]

I can't believe that Logan Brown is this polarizing of a prospect. Especially considering how he finished off the year (trending up in a huge way), Im surprised by the amount of people that are so vocal about their dislike for Brown.

Quite frankly, neither can I. Some of these kids just get over-analyzed to death. Don't really understand the knocks on guys like him and Chychrun.