C Connor McDavid - Erie Otters, OHL (2015 Draft) V

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Crosby finished the season strong. If you compare them after 60 games it would be the other way around. 2.71 ppg in 62 games is unreal

Crosby scored 86 points in his final 25 games. That's ****in insane

Yes it is. CMD has yet to show this same level of dominance. Crosby was almost a 3.5 ppg player his last 25 games. That means a measly 3 point game would actually bring his average down. That's ridiculous to think about.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Yes it is. CMD has yet to show this same level of dominance. Crosby was almost a 3.5 ppg player his last 25 games. That means a measly 3 point game would actually bring his average down. That's ridiculous to think about.

I always knew crosby picked his game up at the end in his draft year but I didn't know it was to that degree. 86 points in 25 games is mind boggling

 

[lawrence]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyYourTheDevils View Post
Yes it is. CMD has yet to show this same level of dominance. Crosby was almost a 3.5 ppg player his last 25 games. That means a measly 3 point game would actually bring his average down. That's ridiculous to think about.


Please provide a source for this WhiskeyYourtheDevils.

I'm not sure what the hell your pull out, but please provide a source, I dunno,. game by game stat chart or something.

Kind regards.

37 games in McDavid is 18 points a head of Crosby yet you say

CMD has yet to show this same level of dominance. Crosby

you also slammed Crosby trying to say, he's at "Tavares Stamkos Level" Crosby is cleary 35 points ahead of those guys.

Please provide me of the Stats of Crosby's last 25 games.

thanks.

 

[lawrence]

Just for some perspective.

Crosby played his last 25 games at 3.44 PPG, closer to 4 when you factor in a league scoring levels. He finished at a 2.71 PPG.

McDavid's pace this year as a 3rd year, 17/18 year old is more similar to Crosby's pace as a 1st year,16 year old, when you factor in a league scoring levels.

I know people want to believe he is better or a better prospect and maybe he will be but the statistical comparisons are not going to establish that. Crosby's numbers are arguably perhaps the best ever for a CHL prospect (when scoring levels are factored in) and he inarguably had the best CHL draft eligible career ever.

HI Daver

you got a source for this somehow? Whiskeyyourdevil seems to be jumping on your comment right now, just kindly provide a source.

thanks bro.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

lawrence - You provided your own source right in this very thread. So unless you can't do basic math, you can call off the witch hunt.

Kids 18 points ahead of Sidney Crosby.

unreal.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyYourTheDevils View Post
Yes it is. CMD has yet to show this same level of dominance. Crosby was almost a 3.5 ppg player his last 25 games. That means a measly 3 point game would actually bring his average down. That's ridiculous to think about.


Please provide a source for this WhiskeyYourtheDevils.

I'm not sure what the hell your pull out, but please provide a source, I dunno,. game by game stat chart or something.

Kind regards.

37 games in McDavid is 18 points a head of Crosby yet you say



you also slammed Crosby trying to say, he's at "Tavares Stamkos Level" Crosby is cleary 35 points ahead of those guys.

Please provide me of the Stats of Crosby's last 25 games.

thanks.

See my above post. Also, could you please post in a more coherent manner? I don't have time to decode your lazy writing.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

HI Daver

you got a source for this somehow? Whiskeyyourdevil seems to be jumping on your comment right now, just kindly provide a source.

thanks bro.

Simple math buddy. Look at that picture again. Crosby ended the year with 168 points in 62 games. So add 25 games and 86 points to crosbys total. Therefore crosby scored 86 points in his last 25 games a level above what mcd has shown

 

[lawrence]

Simple math buddy. Look at that picture again. Crosby ended the year with 168 points in 62 games. So add 25 games and 86 points to crosbys total. Therefore crosby scored 86 points in his last 25 games a level above what mcd has shown

what number separates the "next" level???

you McDavid haters setting different standards again. Unbelievable, quite funny too.

It's like you have a couple clowns who will stop at nothing to try to convince the world he's not Crosby's level? Do you guys even have a job?

PS McDavid currently has a higher points per game average then Sidney Crosby. Now am I saying he will be a better player then Crosby? Hell no, it's a huge claim to make considering Crosby has been the best player in hockey since 2007, that said, is he his caliber? I truly believe so.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

what number separates the "next" level???

you McDavid haters setting different standards again. Unbelievable, quite funny too.

It's like you have a couple clowns who will stop at nothing to try to convince the world he's not Crosby's level? Do you guys even have a job?

PS McDavid currently has a higher points per game average then Sidney Crosby. Now am I saying he will be a better player then Crosby? Hell no, it's a huge claim to make considering Crosby has been the best player in hockey since 2007, that said, is he his caliber? I truly believe so.

Who is "hating" on McDavid? Because Crosby scored at a 3.44 PPG average to finish off the season, and McDavid has yet to show that level of scoring over a sustained period?

You McDavid fanboys setting different standards again. Unbelievable, quite funny, too.

 

[poeman]

So guys, i have been out of touch for a while with prospects...I am assuming McDavid is on Crosby level? Potentially even greater?

At worst he will be a All Star player instead of a Hall of Famer?

 

[lawrence]

So guys, i have been out of touch for a while with prospects...I am assuming McDavid is on Crosby level? Potentially even greater?

At worst he will be a All Star player instead of a Hall of Famer?

He's the best prospect since Crosby. played a better WJC then Crosby did at the same age. a lot of similarities in the way both players skate, move the puck, low center of gravity. Wether he's as good as Crosby or not, it's very close. If he's better then Crosby it will be by a hair, if he's not, it will be only by a hair.

Crosby is a beast with the puck, Connor is no slouch in regards to that.

McDavid has better sniper skills and shooting skills then Sidney, but Crosby is also no slouch when it comes to firing the puck.

He's the next great hockey player. Our game is lucky to have him.

right now the debate is, wether he's as good or not. very few has said he is better then Crosby, most have said he is at his "calibre" there are also a few others who seems to be extremely jealous and doing whatever it takes to derail this thread and coming out with different standards of why he is not as good as Crosby, and wouldn't stop talking about it.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

So guys, i have been out of touch for a while with prospects...I am assuming McDavid is on Crosby level? Potentially even greater?

At worst he will be a All Star player instead of a Hall of Famer?

I'd say he's a half-step below Crosby. Somewhere between a Crosby and Kane, with a mix of their skill sets as well. Still the best prospect since Crosby IMO.

 

[AD1066]

McDavid has better sniper skills and shooting skills then Sidney, but Crosby is also no slouch when it comes to firing the puck..

McDavid's shot is the attribute he could stand the most to improve on, while Crosby has scored 50 goals in a season before and has maybe the best backhand in the world.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

what number separates the "next" level???

you McDavid haters setting different standards again. Unbelievable, quite funny too.

It's like you have a couple clowns who will stop at nothing to try to convince the world he's not Crosby's level? Do you guys even have a job?

PS McDavid currently has a higher points per game average then Sidney Crosby. Now am I saying he will be a better player then Crosby? Hell no, it's a huge claim to make considering Crosby has been the best player in hockey since 2007, that said, is he his caliber? I truly believe so.

Clowns? Your going crazy over mcdavids 98 points through 37 games 2.65 ppg then you fail to realize crosby had 86 points in his final 25 games 3.44 ppg. Crosby finished with 168 in 62 2.71 ppg. So crosby still has a higher ppg in more games played than mcdavid. Crosby statistically was better than mcdavid

 

[Halfy]

We'll let his NHL stats do the talking. No doubt he is REALLY close to Crosby's junior stats. Let's not try and slice it up in some way to make it seem like Crosby was light years ahead. So, because McDavid is at 2.65 PPG and Crosby was 2.71 basically because he tore it up at the end of the season...does that mean McDavid is more consistent? A case can be made. As I said before, they are EXTREMELY close. CLEARLY at Sid's level in a much more talented league.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

We'll let his NHL stats do the talking. No doubt he is REALLY close to Crosby's junior stats. Let's not try and slice it up in some way to make it seem like Crosby was light years ahead. So, because McDavid is at 2.65 PPG and Crosby was 2.71 basically because he tore it up at the end of the season...does that mean McDavid is more consistent? A case can be made. As I said before, they are EXTREMELY close. CLEARLY at Sid's level in a much more talented league.

I like you but you just might be the biggest McDavid fanboy on this site, and anyone who says one chl league is '' Much more talented '' than another loses a bit of credibility.

I agree with some of your other points though

 

[leafsfuture]

Look McDavid has been PHENOMENAL this season. I mean, some of the best stuff junior hockey has ever seen. The comparisons to Sid are fully deserving.

But just remember, this is ONE season. In his previous 2 seasons in the OHL, his numbers werent as great. Tavares outscored him in his first 2 junior seasons, both in points and in PPG and GPG.

Point is that up to this season is was commonly accepted McDavid might be a slight level below Sid at the same age. So take 38 games with a grain of salt.

 

[Pi]

Look McDavid has been PHENOMENAL this season. I mean, some of the best stuff junior hockey has ever seen. The comparisons to Sid are fully deserving.

But just remember, this is ONE season. In his previous 2 seasons in the OHL, his numbers werent as great. Tavares outscored him in his first 2 junior seasons, both in points and in PPG and GPG.

Point is that up to this season is was commonly accepted McDavid might be a slight level below Sid at the same age. So take 38 games with a grain of salt.

Anyone thinking McDavid will end up being close to Crosby is kidding themselves.

I see McDavid in the Tavares/Stamkos range (slightly better, 1-2 100 point seasons) which is still one hell of a player. People will get disappointed when he's not reaching their lofty expectations but those were unreasonable to begin with.

I still see McDavid being the best player in the NHL by the time he's ~25.

 

[leafsfuture]

Anyone thinking McDavid will end up being close to Crosby is kidding themselves.

I see McDavid in the Tavares/Stamkos range (slightly better, 1-2 100 point seasons) which is still one hell of a player. People will get disappointed when he's not reaching their lofty expectations but those were unreasonable to begin with.

I still see McDavid being the best player in the NHL by the time he's ~25.

Well the advantage he has compared to Tavares/Stamkos etc is that by time he is 25, Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin, all of whom are all time greats will be in their latter years. So yes I do think he will likely be the best player in the NHL by that time.

Also depends who drafts him.

 

[613Leafer]

Who is "hating" on McDavid? Because Crosby scored at a 3.44 PPG average to finish off the season, and McDavid has yet to show that level of scoring over a sustained period?

You McDavid fanboys setting different standards again. Unbelievable, quite funny, too.

Ultimately these are comparisons from two different players from different teams in different leagues a decade apart. Isolating a certain stretch of games and saying that it means Crosby was definitely at a higher level is a bit too simplistic IMO.

Especially given that it's easier to score in the Q. Brassard, Couturier, Drouin, MacKinnon, Huberdeau, etc all scored at fairly similar paces to top OHL draftees like Stamkos, Tavares, Yakupov, Hall, Seguin, etc.

The scoring from the highly drafted OHL draftees definitely seems to translate better than those from the Q. The OHL is a better/deeper league that's harder to score in. Has McDavid had a ~25 game stretch as good as Crosby's final stretch? No. But his overall body of work this year has been quite similar, and the fact that it's in the OHL instead of the Q is definitely a factor as well IMO.

 

[sah braise]

He's the best prospect since Crosby. played a better WJC then Crosby did at the same age. a lot of similarities in the way both players skate, move the puck, low center of gravity. Wether he's as good as Crosby or not, it's very close. If he's better then Crosby it will be by a hair, if he's not, it will be only by a hair.

Crosby is a beast with the puck, Connor is no slouch in regards to that.

McDavid has better sniper skills and shooting skills then Sidney, but Crosby is also no slouch when it comes to firing the puck.

He's the next great hockey player. Our game is lucky to have him.

right now the debate is, wether he's as good or not. very few has said he is better then Crosby, most have said he is at his "calibre" there are also a few others who seems to be extremely jealous and doing whatever it takes to derail this thread and coming out with different standards of why he is not as good as Crosby, and wouldn't stop talking about it.

McDavid most certainly does not have better sniper skills...he needs to work on his shot if he wants to score from more than 10 feet out in the nhl. I've literally been wanting him to shoot the puck while i watch him but he really never does. Always skates in close or back behind the net to set up the play or go in for a quick dangle on the goalie. It's one thing i really want to see him work on...he would literally be unstoppable right now at the junior level if he had a canon of a shot. Not saying he's not dominating, just saying it would be scary if he had that stamkos shot

 

[Halfy]

I like you but you just might be the biggest McDavid fanboy on this site, and anyone who says one chl league is '' Much more talented '' than another loses a bit of credibility.

I agree with some of your other points though

Haha, I'm offended....what's with this "might be the biggest McDavid fanboy" . I'm quite aware of my Pierre McGuire to Tavares/Myers man crush. . However, the only other NHL player that was top 10 in scoring in the Q in 2004-2005 was Desharnais. No other player played significant games in the NHL or was a touted prospect. Compared to the OHL top 10 right now, it's not even close. The talent in the QMJHL then compared to the OHL nowadays is visibly weaker.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Lets not forget crosby dominated the playoffs and led the mem cup in scoring

 

[Halfy]

Having watched both 97 and 87 in junior, I'd say they both had average shots for their age. McDavid maybe slightly better (although we wouldn't really know because he NEVER true to shoot it long range haha)

 

[daver]

Isolating a certain stretch of games and saying that it means Crosby was definitely at a higher level is a bit too simplistic IMO.

The only ones isolating games are the ones who are pushing McDavid. Since when does barely half a season outrank a full season?

Crosby's body of work over his two junior seasons do not need isolation and frankly McDavid would need to score over 4PPG the rest of the year to even make this a reasonable argument.

Statistically, McDavid this year is closer to Crosby in his 16 year old season when league scoring levels are factored in.