C Connor McDavid - Erie Otters, OHL (2015 Draft) V

[jigglysquishy]

14g-17a-31p in his last 10 games

9g-11a-20p in his last 5 games

2.68 PPG on the season

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

14g-17a-31p in his last 10 games

9g-11a-20p in his last 5 games

2.68 PPG on the season

3.1 PPG in his last 10 games.

4PPG in his last 5 games.

But he doesn't know how to turn it up in the last part of the season I thought.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

3.1 PPG in his last 10 games.

4PPG in his last 5 games.

But he doesn't know how to turn it up in the last part of the season I thought.

Why would you think that?

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

Why would you think that?

Isn't that the main argument people are using to say he's not close to Crosby because Crosby went on a tear after the WJC and McDavid didn't?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Isn't that the main argument people are using to say he's not close to Crosby because Crosby went on a tear after the WJC and McDavid didn't?

The main argument was that 'McDavid doesn't know how to turn it up at the end of the season'?

Never once heard that.

 

[Halfy]

It's almost like he saw the people on here using the Crosby post-WJC argument against him. He's on a tear.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It's almost like he saw the people on here using the Crosby post-WJC argument against him. He's on a tear.

I'd love to see him go on a 3.5 ppg tear to finish the season. If he stays hot he could potentially break 130 and maybe even scare 140.

 

[Get North]

Did it on one of the best teams in the OHL too.

 

[SAK11]

I just find it odd and a bit concerning. Crosby was continuing to improve and dominate as the season went on. He led his team to a 30+ game unbeaten streak to finish the season and into the playoffs, averaging almost 3 ppg over that period.

He didn't look bored, he looked hungry to win every night. You would hope McDavid would bring the same.

I'm not questioning his dominance, I'm asking about his competitiveness really. In comparison to Sid, he never got bored winning, where as the comments in this thread makes it sounds like McDavid has. That would be far more concerning than his drop in productivity.

3.1 PPG in his last 10 games.

4PPG in his last 5 games.

But he doesn't know how to turn it up in the last part of the season I thought.

Why would you think that?

Interestingly enough, it was actually your postings that likely lead him to write what he did. How quickly we forget.

I'd think that your questions and concerns of his competitiveness have since been answered.

 

[lawrence]

his point per game average has actually gone up as the season has gone on for him. What a stud he will be. Whatever team gets him.

Congratulations. He saved your franchise, and pretty much eventually punched a ticket to Stanley cup finals.

I can't wait til he makes it. I'm personally getting tired of defending Crosby, after bailing out on all star games so many times. I hope Connor doesn't do the same. He's the future face of hockey.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Interestingly enough, it was actually your postings that likely lead him to write what he did. How quickly we forget.

I'd think that your questions and concerns of his competitiveness have since been answered.

were there ever any doubts? Some of the opining and stat watching that goes on here is loony tunes.

I hope they don't stop though. For a good chuckle, it's great morning entertainment with my coffee. can't beat it.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Interestingly enough, it was actually your postings that likely lead him to write what he did. How quickly we forget.

I'd think that your questions and concerns of his competitiveness have since been answered.

I didn't forget anything. Just find it interesting that people will take me asking questions as an insult to their golden boy. I never once made the argument that he claims. So let's get something straight, it was his own bias that caused him to post what he did, because it wasn't at all a reflection of the truth.

Perception is a funny thing.

 

[Patmac40]

Since the beginning of February he's hitting a 2.92 ppg clip. If he keeps that up until the end of the year, he'll hit 133 points in 49 games. If Mariner only produces 2 ppg for his last 7 games at the same time, they'll share the scoring title.

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

I guess the thing that he has on Crosby is height. Those extra two inches might be the key to domination

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I guess the thing that he has on Crosby is height. Those extra two inches might be the key to domination

He's grown a lot over the past 18 months, but his growth from maybe Jan 2014 to the summer was IMO the most significant. He looked to had grown ~1 inch from the 2014 WJC to the 2015 WJC camp.

His body type and athleticism reminds me a lot of Stamkos / Gaborik / Malkin. Wouldn't be surprised to see him scare 6'2 205 lbs, though that might be a stretch (ha that's punny). Crosby grew another half inch or so after being drafted.

Its really amazing the think about how far the league has come in the past 10 years since Crosby. If McDavid could travel back in time to 2004/2005, its very possible he'd be seen as the better prospect. The toolset he brings is just so outrageous, he is definitely more skilled than Sid at 17/18.

- He's faster - will be a top 5 fastest skater in the NHL immediately
- He's got quicker hands - Crosby had ridiculous hands, especially in tight, but McDavid's hands are Kane-esque.
- He's got a better wrist shot. I know its a weakness of his, but it was the same for Sid. Crosby had the better and quicker snap shot though

The biggest advantage for McDavid is in the skating and reach territory. Crosby has never been a super speedster. Both guys have just insane passing skills and vision though, slight edge to Sid.

Me personally, I'd still probably take Crosby as a NHL prospect, even when adjusting for era. And that's because Crosby has McDavid beat where it most counts. Crosby at 17 was much more powerful, had a lot better balance, had better hands and finishing in tight, and had notably better anticipation skills around the net. Crosby already played an NHL style game in junior. Gritty, strong, and around the net. He didn't need to hold onto to the puck as much as McDavid to produce.

All that said, if I was picking for ceiling, I take McDavid all day. Speed, hands, size, and vision like that don't come around too often.

 

[PensFan101]

Not that anyone needs another reason to like McDavid even more, but wanted to share a classy gesture he made Saturday night after the Otters won 6-1 in Owen Sound. The Attack were doing a cancer fundraiser called Bears in Blue, including a jersey action. The event raised 31 000 for prostate cancer research.

Here's where McDavid's mentioned:

A special thank you goes out to all the NHL Teams that donated jersey’s, the Oshawa Generals and the Erie Otters, in particular Connor McDavid who stuck around to auction off an autographed sweater and pose for a picture with the winning bidder. McDavid’s jersey fetched $1600.00.

Even though Erie didn't have anywhere to be the next day, still a great move on McDavid and the Otters' part to have him hang around after the game to do this. Also very glad he won't be back in Owen Sound (barring a bizarre playoff scenario) to torch the Attack anymore.

 

[SAK11]

I didn't forget anything. Just find it interesting that people will take me asking questions as an insult to their golden boy. I never once made the argument that he claims. So let's get something straight, it was his own bias that caused him to post what he did, because it wasn't at all a reflection of the truth.

Perception is a funny thing.

You did seem to insinuate that he was having a worse second half and you questioned his competitiveness. It's fine for you to do that, but don't be surprised when someone points out that his he's taken his game to another level recently, and makes note that the questions you were asking were overreactions to a small sample size.

 

[EON]

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

You did seem to insinuate that he was having a worse second half and you questioned his competitiveness. It's fine for you to do that, but don't be surprised when someone points out that his he's taken his game to another level recently, and makes note that the questions you were asking were overreactions to a small sample size.

Firstly, I think his comment was directed at posts from myself and others remarking how McDavid has yet to show the same level of dominance as Crosby did in his final 25 games of his draft year, where he scored 86 points for 3.44 PPG avg. No where in that argument is the notion that McDavid can't reach that level, merely that he hasn't to this point.

Secondly, since when is asking questions an 'overreaction'? I began by asking, to those who get to view him more frequently, if there was any explanation for McDavid's post WJC slow down (he was 2.83 ppg in the 18 games before WJC, and 2.1 in the 17 after). People replied that he may be bored or losing motivation, which I found surprising based on my own viewings. You can bring up sample size, and it is relevant, but where were all the calls for sample size in his first 18 games then? Going into the WJC, it was commonly accepted that McDavid was a 3 ppg player, I heard it everywhere. But once that pace dropped, people start playing the sample size card?

And if sample size is really an issue, then how is a 5 game scoring streak enough evidence to declare that a player has reached a new level? If my questions were an overreaction, than surely all the dismissal of his previous slump and the declarations of McDavid's new level of play are premature, no?


Seems like a double standard, but no, I am not surprised by a reaction like that.

 

[10coach*]

I find it odd he didn't go to Shattuck

 

[Patmac40]

I find it odd he didn't go to Shattuck

Well he was granted exceptional status in his first year of high school

 

[Semantics]

You did seem to insinuate that he was having a worse second half and you questioned his competitiveness. It's fine for you to do that, but don't be surprised when someone points out that his he's taken his game to another level recently, and makes note that the questions you were asking were overreactions to a small sample size.

But... but... he's a mathematician! I've been assured that 20 degrees of freedom is significant, and his PPG before the WJC is unsustainable!

This guy is an Eichel fan who has been taking subtle jabs at McDavid all season to try and diminish his accomplishments relative to the former. He'll couch it in claims like "no no, you have it wrong, I'm actually a big McDavid fan!", only to subsequently throw out some cherry-picked stat to try and support his position that McDavid is overrated.

 

[10coach*]

Well he was granted exceptional status in his first year of high school

Good point.

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

Considering how he seems to step his play up for the big games, I am really hoping the playoffs start soon for the OHL.

 

[MilanKraft*]

I guess the thing that he has on Crosby is height. Those extra two inches might be the key to domination

Domination of what? The NHL??
No chance.

Kid might not score 50 goals or 130 points in his life..

He'll be neutralized like Mackinnon. ....