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I'm not an Otters fan and probably won't sniff a shot at cheering for him on Winnipeg but it makes me sad he had to get injured this year. Would have LOVED to see him go for 150+ points. As if what he's doing isn't impressive enough.

I just read on EliteProspects that he considered going to BU :amazed: Can you imagine both him and Eichel?
 

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The OHL is streaming games for free tonight and tomorrow.

the site is: http://ohl.neulion.com/ohl/

you need to make an account and order a game, but using promo code OHLLIVE2015 clears the fee.

I wouldn't get your hopes up for the Otters' game though, they are in Owen Sound both nights and the feed from there is either pretty poor quality or it doesn't work at all. That site is going to get a lot of traffic as well.
 
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ErieOttersNews said:
The OHL is streaming games for free tonight and tomorrow.

the site is: http://ohl.neulion.com/ohl/

you need to make an account and order a game, but using promo code OHLLIVE2015 clears the fee.

I wouldn't get your hopes up for the Otters' game though, they are in Owen Sound both nights and the feed from there is either pretty poor quality or it doesn't work at all. That site is going to get a lot of traffic as well.
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I never thought it was possible to have a feed lower than 144p, but Neulon is accomplishing this. :laugh::laugh:
 
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Yeah, this isn't exactly a glowing endorsement of their product. Then again, the only people that would buy it anyway are probably the parents of the players.
 
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I can see why it's possible for some players to approach 3 points per game in this league. This game has been a nonstop track meet. :laugh:
 
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People are selling McDavid so short, it's ridiculous.

Both McDavid and Strome do not play even strength together, which is why it's silly to compare someone like Kane to him because Kane played on a line with Gagner and Kostitsyn, that's 3 prolific junior scores on the same line, and even they still don't produce to McDavid's level as a trio.

Connor McDavid had he played a full season would have been on pace for 180 points in the OHL, think about that. Many people are claiming that the QMJHL and OHL aren't different, but look at how many draft eligible players put up McDavid numbers in their draft year in the OHL.

Then compare the difference in quality of talent the OHL has produced over the QMJHL in the NHL, what McDavid is doing right now is downright remarkable against tougher competition IMO.

I'm not saying McDavid is above Crosby, but he's in the same tier at the same stage.

As legendary as Crosby was/is, his best season in the QMJHL is good for 28th in terms of points per game, that just goes to show you how much crazier the QMJHL was in terms of point production throughout it's history, and why it's not a good gauge when it comes to comparing the two.

Connor McDavid is 8th in the OHL all time for best PPG in a single season, and has a strong chance to jump to the top 3 once the season is done.

He's a generational talent, just as deserving as Sidney Crosby of that title.
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Good post. And the Q definitely is a weaker league, and therefore the same calibre of prospect should theoretically be able to score more in the Q than the O (evidence for that is that there have been 36 OHL vs 10 QMJHL top 10 picks between 2005-2014).

Look at some highly drafted prolific scorers from the Q in recent years (stats below are draft year stats):
-MacKinnon 75 points (44 games, which would be 102 pts in 60 games)
-Drouin 105 pts (49 games)
-Huberdeau 105 pts (67 games)
-Couturier 96 pts (58 games)
-Brassard 116 pts (58 games)
Etc

Compared to top 10 picks from the OHL/WHL who had 95+ points, such as Hall, Seguin, RNH, Yakupov, Tavares, Stamkos, Strome, Kane, etc. Pretty much all of these guys except Yakupov and Strome were putting up 50+ points within their first two years in the NHL after being drafted (and even Strome is on a pretty solid pace right now, was just developed more slowly). And yet from the Q, pretty much MacKinnon is the only guy that seems to be at that level.

So McDavid's scoring pace in the OHL vs Crosby's in the Q? I think it's a factor, one that could indicate McDavid being the better scoring prospect for his age relative to Crosby.
 
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416Leafer said:
Good post. And the Q definitely is a weaker league, and therefore the same calibre of prospect should theoretically be able to score more in the Q than the O (evidence for that is that there have been 36 OHL vs 10 QMJHL top 10 picks between 2005-2014).

Look at some highly drafted prolific scorers from the Q in recent years (stats below are draft year stats):
-MacKinnon 75 points (44 games, which would be 102 pts in 60 games)
-Drouin 105 pts (49 games)
-Huberdeau 105 pts (67 games)
-Couturier 96 pts (58 games)
-Brassard 116 pts (58 games)
Etc

Compared to top 10 picks from the OHL/WHL who had 95+ points, such as Hall, Seguin, RNH, Yakupov, Tavares, Stamkos, Strome, Kane, etc. Pretty much all of these guys except Yakupov and Strome were putting up 50+ points within their first two years in the NHL after being drafted (and even Strome is on a pretty solid pace right now, was just developed more slowly). And yet from the Q, pretty much MacKinnon is the only guy that seems to be at that level.

So McDavid's scoring pace in the OHL vs Crosby's in the Q? I think it's a factor, one that could indicate McDavid being the better scoring prospect for his age relative to Crosby.
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RNH is from the WHL. Yakupov would likely have had very close to 50 points had his first year been a full season. Prorated his first year would be 53 points and he was actually playing very well over the last 20 games. Then our man Dallas came along...

All that said trying to measure players strictly on points output has far too great a margin of error. For me McDavid is even better than his numbers suggest. The kid is just ridiculous.
 
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All that said trying to measure players strictly on points output has far too great a margin of error. For me McDavid is even better than his numbers suggest. The kid is just ridiculous.
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I wasn't suggesting to judge them strictly on points, but I think context to players points helps a LOT.

Did they score 100+ points in the OHL or the QMJHL? History tells us that doing so in the OHL is more indicative of NHL success.

Did they score 100+ points as the leading scorer on their team, or were they playing on a line with a CHL top top player. Again, that can be a redflag (e.g. Gagner).

Then you look at other redflags, like skating or size. Generally you want a prospect to be above average in one of those two to have a good chance for his offence to translate well to the NHL level. There aren't many ~5'11 guys who are average or worse skaters that produce well at the NHL level.

The point above was that it's simply harder to score in the OHL than the Q, and that high scoring from the Q is less likely to translate. It doesn't explain the whole McDavid story, but it is relevant info IMO.
 
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If any team deserves McDavid it's the Leafs. They have only drafted 1st overall once. They have never really had a generational talent. Plus I think the leafs deserve something good to happen after 50 years of torture!
 

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If any team deserves McDavid it's the Leafs. They have only drafted 1st overall once. They have never really had a generational talent. Plus I think the leafs deserve something good to happen after 50 years of torture!
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It makes me uncomfortable to think of Mcdavid on the leafs (the hype and pressure would be ridiculous and the media would never talk about anything else) but at least I'd get to see him play on a regular basis! If he ends up on a team like Florida I wonder if they'll instantly become a big to draw the way Pittsburgh and Washington did.
 

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If any team deserves McDavid it's the Leafs. They have only drafted 1st overall once. They have never really had a generational talent. Plus I think the leafs deserve something good to happen after 50 years of torture!
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I'm actually hoping for this too. Kid seems the have the character to thrive in that pressure. The hype would be unlike anything ever seen in the sport of hockey.
 

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416Leafer said:
Good post. And the Q definitely is a weaker league, and therefore the same calibre of prospect should theoretically be able to score more in the Q than the O (evidence for that is that there have been 36 OHL vs 10 QMJHL top 10 picks between 2005-2014).

Look at some highly drafted prolific scorers from the Q in recent years (stats below are draft year stats):
-MacKinnon 75 points (44 games, which would be 102 pts in 60 games)
-Drouin 105 pts (49 games)
-Huberdeau 105 pts (67 games)
-Couturier 96 pts (58 games)
-Brassard 116 pts (58 games)
Etc

Compared to top 10 picks from the OHL/WHL who had 95+ points, such as Hall, Seguin, RNH, Yakupov, Tavares, Stamkos, Strome, Kane, etc. Pretty much all of these guys except Yakupov and Strome were putting up 50+ points within their first two years in the NHL after being drafted (and even Strome is on a pretty solid pace right now, was just developed more slowly). And yet from the Q, pretty much MacKinnon is the only guy that seems to be at that level.

So McDavid's scoring pace in the OHL vs Crosby's in the Q? I think it's a factor, one that could indicate McDavid being the better scoring prospect for his age relative to Crosby.
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Time will tell but MacKinnon is really the only Q prospect that matches with Tavares, Hall, and Kane.

On the other hand, Crosby's numbers in the NHL seem pretty indicative of his potential coming out of the Q. By your theory, Tavares, Stamkos and Kane should be closer to Crosby once you factor in they came out of the stronger OHL.

McDavid should be considered the best prospect since Crosby but unless he goes really crazy in the last part of the season and the playoffs, statistically it's not close.
 
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416Leafer said:
I wasn't suggesting to judge them strictly on points, but I think context to players points helps a LOT.

Did they score 100+ points in the OHL or the QMJHL? History tells us that doing so in the OHL is more indicative of NHL success.

Did they score 100+ points as the leading scorer on their team, or were they playing on a line with a CHL top top player. Again, that can be a redflag (e.g. Gagner).

Then you look at other redflags, like skating or size. Generally you want a prospect to be above average in one of those two to have a good chance for his offence to translate well to the NHL level. There aren't many ~5'11 guys who are average or worse skaters that produce well at the NHL level.

The point above was that it's simply harder to score in the OHL than the Q, and that high scoring from the Q is less likely to translate. It doesn't explain the whole McDavid story, but it is relevant info IMO.
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I don't disagree with the big picture assessment here but it is hard to use stats to compare guys like Crosby and McDavid if the goal is to show one to be better than the other. Their circumstances were very different so the error in using the information we have to try and make a definitive prediction is too large. The stats can tell us that both were tremendous prospects but I don't see any statistical analysis doing much better than that.
 
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AcerComputer said:
If any team deserves McDavid it's the Leafs. They have only drafted 1st overall once. They have never really had a generational talent. Plus I think the leafs deserve something good to happen after 50 years of torture!
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How many teams have honestly had a generational talent? Maybe half a dozen?
 
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