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C Clayton Keller - Boston University, NCAA (2016, 7th, ARI)

snipetype said:
Keller is in that third group IMO. More dynamic the Jost IMO.

I'd say he's 10-12 overall talent. Not nearly as explosive offensively as M.M
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5/10 scouts on McKenzie's list have him in the top 10.

Maybe not that far off ... If Marner has an edge
 
Sens of Anarchy said:
IMO there is not much difference between Marner and Keller and both are way ahead of Bracco...
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Why is he way ahead of Bracco? Im not disagreeing, im just genuinely curious, because if you look through the Bracco thread the exact same things were being said, (even Marner comparisons like everyone is making in this thread now) and stats wise his stats are more comparable to Bracco than Marner.



http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1611683
he is on the same skill level as Marner IMO..kid is just getting no respect what so ever. should go higher but size questions will keep him outside the top 15
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because I agree that his skill is comparable to Marner's.
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He has top 5 or so talent and has added a lot of weight in one year and still hasn't missed a beat.
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A contending team is going to steal a top 10 pick by taking Bracco late in the 1st. This is a terrific draft class, so he'll go later than he should, but as far as I'm concerned, Bracco is not far behind Barzal and Konecny.
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Can't see him falling or of the first round and to be honest I think this kid is top-10 talent in a weaker or average draft class
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Sergei Shirokov said:
Why is he way ahead of Bracco? Im not disagreeing, im just genuinely curious, because if you look through the Bracco thread the exact same things were being said, (even Marner comparisons like everyone is making in this thread now) and stats wise his stats are more comparable to Bracco than Marner.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1611683
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I don't have the references on hand but Keller is one of the top US U18 point producers ever. Better than Patty Kane... He is the straw that stirs the drink on that team USA U18 team. Top line, PP. PK ...

Same can't really be said for Bracco. Bracco is a good producer and played with exceptionally good players. I think what Keller has done is more impressive and puts him on another level.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/local-sports/4011837-clayton-keller-rewriting-record-book-u18-hockey

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/4/16/11440008/2016-nhl-draft-profile-clayton-keller-deserves-to-be-in-fourth

http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.php?team=1864&year0=2017&status=stats
 
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Sergei Shirokov said:
Why is he way ahead of Bracco? Im not disagreeing, im just genuinely curious, because if you look through the Bracco thread the exact same things were being said, (even Marner comparisons like everyone is making in this thread now) and stats wise his stats are more comparable to Bracco than Marner.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1611683
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Also, both got exhibition games in vs NCAA-D1 teams while with the NTDP program and Keller totaled 12GP 9+12=21, including 6GP 4+7=11 vs tournament teams. There's a considerable difference between his 1.75 P/GP vs Bracco's 1.00 (13GP 5+8=13; further, draft+1 5GP 0+3=3) at this draft-year stage of development. Furthermore, the collegiate leaderboard typically has players of varying ages ~1.30 P/GP or better, so even if you factor in some regression due to that sample size, Keller still likely projects as a top-10 scorer in his draft+1 freshman year. His exhibition stats vs tournament teams compare favorably to Hobey finalists too (Connor: 5GP 2+4=6 .. Vesey: 11GP 4+5=9).
 
But the other was drafted by Toronto so he's probably better than Laine or Matthews.

If Toronto somehow ends up drafting Keller as well the paradox will cause a tear in the space time continuum.
 
After watching the first period of that USA/Canada bronze game (I intend on watching most if not all of the USA & Canada games) I was pretty impressed. His anticipation is fantastic, he's got great acceleration too, perhaps his top end speed isn't the same as say a Mackinnon or someone who's in the elite of the elite but he's still above average for sure.

Size is definitely a concern, you can see he got pushed around a few times in the corners, and while he has a decent shot I don't ever see him as a big time sniper. He's a really slick crafty playmaker and I do really like his anticipation and ability to make a play in an instant which I think is huge for his chances of being a successful player.

I got him at #11 Right now, and I do like him more than Nylander.
 
Sens of Anarchy said:
IMO there is not much difference between Marner and Keller and both are way ahead of Bracco...
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There is a pretty big difference between Bracco and Keller. If he was a Marner level talent he'd be a lock for 4 and challenging for 3. All of the 3,4,5 guys this year are on a similar level to what Puljujarvi is at this year. Unless you think Keller should be a lock for number 4 this year, and potentially challenging Puljujarvi, I don't think you can group him in with Marner.

Anymore word on if Keller is planning on honouring his commitment? Windsor would have a stacked team if he joined them next year, and you would have to think Logan Brown is in his ear.
 
93LEAFS said:
There is a pretty big difference between Bracco and Keller. If he was a Marner level talent he'd be a lock for 4 and challenging for 3. All of the 3,4,5 guys this year are on a similar level to what Puljujarvi is at this year. Unless you think Keller should be a lock for number 4 this year, and potentially challenging Puljujarvi, I don't think you can group him in with Marner.

Anymore word on if Keller is planning on honouring his commitment? Windsor would have a stacked team if he joined them next year, and you would have to think Logan Brown is in his ear.
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Well he did say that it was his opinion. Look at it this way, scouts, scouting services and teams get it wrong all the time. Sometimes they miss something that they should have seen. Sometimes a prospect develops in an unforeseen way. Kyle Connor was drafted #17th overall. Talent wise, he should have been drafted in the Strome/Marner range.

As for Keller, I personally think that his play style would be extremely conductive for the collegiate development route. Let him spend a year or two playing against men and develop physically.
 
How does he compare to Zach Parise? Pretty much same path going through Shattuck's.
 
Rychel on Hockey at Noon putting it on thick talking up Keller. Windsor would be scary if they get him, and keep Fischer, Brown and Sergachev plus Vilardi.
 
93LEAFS said:
Rychel on Hockey at Noon putting it on thick talking up Keller. Windsor would be scary if they get him, and keep Fischer, Brown and Sergachev plus Vilardi.
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I simply cannot see Keller going to Windsor. More wishful thinking then anything as his buddy in crime Bellows is also going to BU on a monster recruitment class. Chad Krys and Jake Oettinger also heading there from team USA....

I never say 100% something isn't happening, but in my opinion it is 99.99999% a lock Keller heads to BU.
 
AmericanDream said:
I simply cannot see Keller going to Windsor. More wishful thinking then anything as his buddy in crime Bellows is also going to BU on a monster recruitment class. Chad Krys and Jake Oettinger also heading there from team USA....

I never say 100% something isn't happening, but in my opinion it is 99.99999% a lock Keller heads to BU.
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FWIW, Keller spoke in an HF interview about having encouraged Krys and Oettinger to commit to BU.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articl...ller-adding-exclamation-point-solid-campaign/
 
Rogie21 said:
FWIW, Keller spoke in an HF interview about having encouraged Krys and Oettinger to commit to BU.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articl...ller-adding-exclamation-point-solid-campaign/
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I am sure he did. Bellows committed a year after Keller did, so he probably had some say in that too.

Keller is so damn likeable.

But the Eichel factor helps. Anytime you have a superstar leave the program and go on to become a #2 overall pick and a future NHL star, that does wonders for the program as well.
 
Woodhouse said:
Also, both got exhibition games in vs NCAA-D1 teams while with the NTDP program and Keller totaled 12GP 9+12=21, including 6GP 4+7=11 vs tournament teams. There's a considerable difference between his 1.75 P/GP vs Bracco's 1.00 (13GP 5+8=13; further, draft+1 5GP 0+3=3) at this draft-year stage of development. Furthermore, the collegiate leaderboard typically has players of varying ages ~1.30 P/GP or better, so even if you factor in some regression due to that sample size, Keller still likely projects as a top-10 scorer in his draft+1 freshman year. His exhibition stats vs tournament teams compare favorably to Hobey finalists too (Connor: 5GP 2+4=6 .. Vesey: 11GP 4+5=9).
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Hey Woodhouse thanks for this info. Where did you obtain it? Do you have to look at game by game stats?
 
Keller fits in somewhere between Marner and Bracco. Better than Bracco, but not in the same tier as Marner. I actually really like him a lot and think there is a possibility he falls in the top 10 but is more like to go 11-15. He won't be a #1 C but he could become a good #2. There is even a very good chance he'll be put on the wing due to his size. I think whoever drafts him should be really excited, one of the more intriguing prospects in the top 15 IMO.
 
I would love the leafs to trade up for him with the penguins pick + other assets
 
stavs said:
Keller fits in somewhere between Marner and Bracco. Better than Bracco, but not in the same tier as Marner. I actually really like him a lot and think there is a possibility he falls in the top 10 but is more like to go 11-15. He won't be a #1 C but he could become a good #2. There is even a very good chance he'll be put on the wing due to his size. I think whoever drafts him should be really excited, one of the more intriguing prospects in the top 15 IMO.
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I'd love to know why he definitively won't be a #1 C. I think that is his potential. He has all the skill and the hockey IQ to match to be one. He has no holes in game....besides the fact that he's not 6'2'. Whether he will be one is the story of every prospect, but the potential is absolutely there.
 
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