C Adam Fantilli - (2023, 3rd, CBJ) Part 2

[Gliff]

Can I just dream of him centering Zegras and Terry. He is a perfect linemate for them.

 

[MMC]

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Bedard who refuses to come because he has nothing to prove to be selected n°1.

That's what the NHL has reduced World Championship.

A tournament for prospects.

This league does not respect its sport like the NBA does not respect basketball.

 

[neelynugs]

Can I just dream of him centering Zegras and Terry. He is a perfect linemate for them.

he remind you of getzlaf at all?

 

[FlyguyOX]

Bedard who refuses to come because he has nothing to prove to be selected n°1.

That's what the NHL has reduced World Championship.

A tournament for prospects.

This league does not respect its sport like the NBA does not respect basketball.

There's no prestige that comes from that. Not like the olympics. Why risk injury before next season for no reason at all

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

There's no prestige that comes from that. Not like the olympics. Why risk injury before next season for no reason at all

Your remarks demonstrate the cultural problem in hockey brought about by the imperialism of the NHL.

Being world champion has less interest than a rank in the draft or preparation matches.

One day the NHL will no longer dominate ice hockey (nothing is forever) and that will be a good thing for hockey.

Because sportingly, the senior seasons are boring. Because of the mercantile mentality and the "only nhl mentality", there are no interesting sporting events.

Olympic tournament? Even less respected by the NHL than the World Championships.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Your remarks demonstrate the cultural problem in hockey brought about by the imperialism of the NHL.

Being world champion has less interest than a rank in the draft or preparation matches.

One day the NHL will no longer dominate ice hockey (nothing is forever) and that will be a good thing for hockey.

Because sportingly, the senior seasons are boring. Because of the mercantile mentality and the "only nhl mentality", there are no interesting sporting events.

Olympic tournament? Even less respected by the NHL than the World Championships.

Obviously international hockey in general is at arguably an all time low due to NHL players not playing in the Olympics, but the World Championships that take place every spring have always been the "B" teams for most countries.

After already playing the entire season in whatever league they're in and wanting time off, combined with most of the top players still being in the NHL playoffs, yes it makes complete sense for top players to opt out.

With that all said though, don't expect international hockey to resurge anytime soon. The NHL won't allow players to go, and with global conflict, we're years away from top international hockey again.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Obviously international hockey in general is at arguably an all time low due to NHL players not playing in the Olympics, but the World Championships that take place every spring have always been the "B" teams for most countries.

After already playing the entire season in whatever league they're in and wanting time off, combined with most of the top players still being in the NHL playoffs, yes it makes complete sense for top players to opt out.

With that all said though, don't expect international hockey to resurge anytime soon. The NHL won't allow players to go, and with global conflict, we're years away from top international hockey again.

Half of NHL players spend 6 months of the year without playing. At least 4. Hockey is held hostage by an imperialist business that seeks to crush the sport. This business deprives us of the best potential posters every year to impose its system with long regular seasons without sporting interest. I want to see Canada vs USA. It's more exciting and interesting than Dallas vs Toronto. As mentioned by the previous one, being world champion is not sportingly interesting for Bedard. But if being world champion with your country is not interesting, what is interesting in your career? Just get the best financial deals. Disgusting.

NHL is a problem for ice hockey. A fan like me is deprived of international tournaments every year for thousands of tasteless regular season matches and the general international public does not have access to high-level ice hockey. As for the federations, they are not rewarded for their efforts to train players. What is interesting for the Slovak federation to train players who will never play for Slovakia because of the NHL ? That the NHL dies.

 

[Vachon23]

Bedard who refuses to come because he has nothing to prove to be selected n°1.

That's what the NHL has reduced World Championship.

A tournament for prospects.

This league does not respect its sport like the NBA does not respect basketball.

It's not the NHL fault if they decided the put the WC in the middle of the playoffs...

If the tournament was in September by exemple, they would would be way more NHLer

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

It's not the NHL fault if they decided the put the WC in the middle of the playoffs...

If the tournament was in September by exemple, they would would be way more NHLer

Yes, as it is the IOC's fault for imposing its competition in February. WC does not start until May 12. At this time, there will only be 4 NHL teams in the race.

NHL also has the option of advancing its regular season to September. An international tournament in September ? We would hear the same excuses: players must not be injured at the start of the season.

On the other hand, getting injured during a bad regular season game is not a problem. And when it's the NHL that organizes a World Cup that looks like nothing, it's no longer a problem. Everything is focused by this league. And sporting events are blocked because this league has only one interest : money for it-self. So sportingly, nothing ever happens. We only talk money.

When a draft (a non-sporting event) matters more than a world championship (potentially the most exciting sporting competition), there's a problem.

 

[WayneGretzky]

It's not the NHL fault if they decided the put the WC in the middle of the playoffs...

If the tournament was in September by exemple, they would would be way more NHLer

Same for the Olympics being mid season, why potentially lose your stars for a playoff run, to risk injury in a tournament that means less and less every year?

The only credible international tournament that exists with players over the age of 20 is an Olympic Games with NHL players included, to me, nothing else means anything.

 

[Vachon23]

Yes, as it is the IOC's fault for imposing its competition in February. WC does not start until May 12. At this time, there will only be 4 NHL teams in the race.

NHL also has the option of advancing its regular season to September. An international tournament in September ? We would hear the same excuses: players must not be injured at the start of the season.

On the other hand, getting injured during a bad regular season game is not a problem. And when it's the NHL that organizes a World Cup that looks like nothing, it's no longer a problem. Everything is focused by this league. And sporting events are blocked because this league has only one interest : money for it-self. So sportingly, nothing ever happens. We only talk money.

When a draft (a non-sporting event) matters more than a world championship (potentially the most exciting sporting competition), there's a problem.

When you just played 82 games and 2 rounds of playoffs, you usually have some injuries and you want some rest.

The World Cup did happen before the season, so it was easier to have all the best players and they are all 100% healthy.

Every business are run by money, loosing your top player that you invest ton of money in is not something owner like for sure and if I was an owner of an NHL team I would't like that either

 

[WarriorofTime]

NHL is a problem for ice hockey.

lol, ice hockey without the NHL is gonna look like Badminton or every sport that may as well not exist outside of the Olympics and only competed in by people that work at Home Depot. Very uninformed take.

Maybe go support your local club team if you want hockey entertainment. It sounds like you might just be jealous that you know the best hockey is being played overseas and it's not as accessible for you, but that's just how it goes. In some sports like Soccer, it's the opposite and the best North American talent all goes overseas to chase the millions they can get from teams competing in Champions League.

To act like that is somehow a "problem" for ice hockey is ridiculous. Kids playing hockey in Slovakia can dream about working hard, getting recognized and escaping middling central European conditions and get rich in the NHL. If those opportunities didn't exist, they wouldn't devote so much into hockey and the sport would fizzle out.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Same for the Olympics being mid season, why potentially lose your stars for a playoff run, to risk injury in a tournament that means less and less every year?

The only credible international tournament that exists with players over the age of 20 is an Olympic Games with NHL players included, to me, nothing else means anything.

The problem is that the point of view of the NHL imposes itself on all the sport. More important than IIHF, than the federations, the players. When players are allowed to play WC, it is with a view to developing for the NHL. Ice hockey does not have the opportunity to exist outside the NHL framework. But when does the NHL offer an interesting sporting event? Who here is excited about the 82 regular season games? Nothing interesting happens every year outside of the NHL playoffs. In Soccer, you have international tournaments, European cups, national championships, national cups. In Hockey, just the Stanley Cup. 10 months of getting bored every year because of the NHL.

 

[WayneGretzky]

In order to make international tournaments credible again, short of getting the NHL players into the Olympics…I think they’d either have to dissolve the NHL and make “international hockey” the main focus.

Only other option means we are expecting the best players from every country to want to play hockey all year, non stop with zero emphasis on their personal lives/families. To me, that’s a delusional expectation to have as a fan.

The problem is that the point of view of the NHL imposes itself on all the sport. More important than IIHF, than the federations, the players. When players are allowed to play WC, it is with a view to developing for the NHL. Ice hockey does not have the opportunity to exist outside the NHL framework. But when does the NHL offer an interesting sporting event? Who here is excited about the 82 regular season games? Nothing interesting happens every year outside of the NHL playoffs. In Soccer, you have international tournaments, European cups, national championships, national cups. In Hockey, just the Stanley Cup. 10 months of getting bored every year because of the NHL.

Who here is excited about 82 regular season games from your favourite teams? I would imagine most of us. You tell me everything I need to hear when you argue soccer is more exciting. Enjoy your evening!

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

When you just played 82 games and 2 rounds of playoffs, you usually have some injuries and you want some rest.

The World Cup did happen before the season, so it was easier to have all the best players and they are all 100% healthy.

Every business are run by money, loosing your top player that you invest ton of money in is not something owner like for sure and if I was an owner of an NHL team I would't like that either

You only talk about business from an NHL point of view, I talk about sport from a global point of view.

Reducing the regular season to 62 games would already be a big step forward. Reduce the number of teams or split the NHL into two tiers as well.

The players would be less tired and sportingly, the level would be much higher.

But it's only the money that matters. NHL thinks about the money.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

"Who here is excited about 82 regular season games from your favourite teams? I would imagine most of us."

Even here, most people don't watch the games. They just watch highlights and click on stat tables.

There are too many games for one fan to eat them all.

I grew up with the Nagano Olympics where all the matches were interesting and at stake. What's interesting to me about watching 82 Montreal games? With or without qualification at the key? Inevitably, you end up disbanding.

 

[WayneGretzky]

"Who here is excited about 82 regular season games from your favourite teams? I would imagine most of us."

Even here, most people don't watch the games. They just watch highlights and click on stat tables.

There are too many games for one fan to eat them all.

I grew up with the Nagano Olympics where all the matches were interesting and at stake. What's interesting to me about watching 82 Montreal games? With or without qualification at the key? Inevitably, you end up disbanding.

Completely disagree on everything…if you don’t get excited about watching your favourite team or players evolve and grow, I don’t really see why you’re a fan at all?

 

[Torts]

Half of NHL players spend 6 months of the year without playing. At least 4. Hockey is held hostage by an imperialist business that seeks to crush the sport. This business deprives us of the best potential posters every year to impose its system with long regular seasons without sporting interest. I want to see Canada vs USA. It's more exciting and interesting than Dallas vs Toronto. As mentioned by the previous one, being world champion is not sportingly interesting for Bedard. But if being world champion with your country is not interesting, what is interesting in your career? Just get the best financial deals. Disgusting.

NHL is a problem for ice hockey. A fan like me is deprived of international tournaments every year for thousands of tasteless regular season matches and the general international public does not have access to high-level ice hockey. As for the federations, they are not rewarded for their efforts to train players. What is interesting for the Slovak federation to train players who will never play for Slovakia because of the NHL ? That the NHL dies.

Not to the owners of Dallas and Toronto (let alone the other franchises in the NHL) who have millions and billions invested into these teams and players. Unfortunately like many walks of life and sports now in 2023....money makes everything and everyone tick.

 

[Gliff]

he remind you of getzlaf at all?

No really at all in terms of skillset/style. Getzlaf was so strong on his skates but even his mom wouldn't call him fast lol. Getzlaf slowed the game down and picked people apart with his vision and incredible passing. Fantilli plays at 90 mph.

I think Carlsson is way more like Getzlaf in terms of skillset/style then Fantilli.

I think Fantilli has more of the attitude that Getzlaf had though. I can't see Carlsson getting involved in post whistle stuff for example.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Completely disagree on everything…if you don’t get excited about watching your favourite team or players evolve and grow, I don’t really see why you’re a fan at all?

For the sport itself. I have been passionate about hockey since my childhood.

I am a supporter of Montreal but I am also a supporter of France.

Watching my country play in the world championships thrills me more than regular season games.

If I was Canadian, I would be more excited by a world competition against USA, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czechia, Slovakia than by an endless regular season.

You can't follow 82 regular season games with the same adrenaline, year after year. Your motivation runs out of steam very quickly.

 

[WayneGretzky]

For the sport itself. I have been passionate about hockey since my childhood.

I am a supporter of Montreal but I am also a supporter of France.

Watching my country play in the world championships thrills me more than regular season games.

If I was Canadian, I would be more excited by a world competition against USA, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czechia, Slovakia than by an endless regular season.

You can't follow 82 regular season games with the same adrenaline, year after year. Your motivation runs out of steam very quickly.

Been doing it for decades myself, still love it every year! Although I worked in the industry for many years…I truly love the sport for everything it is, from the early mornings to the offseason decisions, I’m infatuated with all of it. I know that isn’t most people, but what you’re saying is nonsense. This forum is full of fans who love watching their favourite teams. Sorry soccer and French international hockey is what does it for you…that’s rough

 

[JackSlater]

The problem is that the point of view of the NHL imposes itself on all the sport. More important than IIHF, than the federations, the players. When players are allowed to play WC, it is with a view to developing for the NHL. Ice hockey does not have the opportunity to exist outside the NHL framework. But when does the NHL offer an interesting sporting event? Who here is excited about the 82 regular season games? Nothing interesting happens every year outside of the NHL playoffs. In Soccer, you have international tournaments, European cups, national championships, national cups. In Hockey, just the Stanley Cup. 10 months of getting bored every year because of the NHL.

The IIHF caused the situation long ago. There is no reason for the NHL to cater to international hockey unless either the fans or players demand it, and there isn't really that demand. Most NHL fans and players come from North America, and the IIHF organized its world championship in a way that turned off North Americans for decades. It is not viewed as some prestigious championship that Canada (or USA I would think) absolutely needs to win. There's no fixing it now even though the IIHF has taken some positive steps.

That said, I hope that Fantilli plays in the tournament and plays well. Could be a good opportunity for him.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Been doing it for decades myself, still love it every year! Although I worked in the industry for many years…I truly love the sport for everything it is, from the early mornings to the offseason decisions, I’m infatuated with all of it. I know that isn’t most people, but what you’re saying is nonsense. This forum is full of fans who love watching their favourite teams. Sorry soccer and French international hockey is what does it for you…that’s rough

Maybe you have no sense of national belonging, but most people do.

The folks at the site are more excited about a U20 World Championship than the regular season. So imagine a real senior world championship.

You claim to be more excited by the non-existence of international tournaments than by the possible existence of international tournaments.

Obviously the majority of fans are more excited about a Canada vs. USA World Final, rather than a regular season game.

It is enough simply to observe the difference in atmosphere in the ice rink. During the last Olympics between 1998 and 2014 it was madness. In the NHL, the public is silent during the regular season.

 

[WayneGretzky]

Maybe you have no sense of national belonging, but most people do.

The folks at the site are more excited about a U20 World Championship than the regular season. So imagine a real senior world championship.

You claim to be more excited by the non-existence of international tournaments than by the possible existence of international tournaments.

Obviously the majority of fans are more excited about a Canada vs. USA World Final, rather than a regular season game.

It is enough simply to observe the difference in atmosphere in the ice rink. During the last Olympics between 1998 and 2014 it was madness. In the NHL, the public is silent during the regular season.

You’re right, I don’t need pro athletes to take extra time away from their families and lives to compete in a meaningless tournament. That shouldn’t be a meaningful source of pride for you. (Unless you played on the team)

Maybe you have no sense of national belonging, but most people do.

The folks at the site are more excited about a U20 World Championship than the regular season. So imagine a real senior world championship.

You claim to be more excited by the non-existence of international tournaments than by the possible existence of international tournaments.

Obviously the majority of fans are more excited about a Canada vs. USA World Final, rather than a regular season game.

It is enough simply to observe the difference in atmosphere in the ice rink. During the last Olympics between 1998 and 2014 it was madness. In the NHL, the public is silent during the regular season.

We see two complete different things I guess, to each their own.

I agree, nothing more exciting than Olympic hockey with NHL players there, but you’re only proposing that this business voluntarily becomes less of a business…good luck with that!

It’s a great idealized approach to what it could be, but a delusional expectation.