C Adam Fantilli - (2023, 3rd, CBJ) Part 2

[Lavar Ball]

 

[Breakers]

Brindley Fantilli and McGroarty are flying in the 2nd after not doing a ton in the 1st

 

[95snipes]

I was one of the posters who was fairly critical of Fantilli's game earlier in the year, but adding another post saying how wrong I was. He's been largely excellent all of the games I've seen him play in 2023 and I started to come around early February. I'm fully on board at this point. Even when I wasn't a huge fan of his game, I hypothesized he'd be a big game player and that has been confirmed throughout the B10 and frozen four tournaments. Whenever Michigan needed a goal, he delivered. Thought he was the only Michigan player who played well tonight.

Still think his brain shuts off at times, but he can out-talent his issues. My #2 behind Bedard.

 

[Herby]

If this is the end of the line (and I think it is) what a total pleasure to watch this season.

I think he is a class above Quinn Hughes and Kyle Connor as the best UM hockey player of the 21st century.

I really wish he had taken the shot on the 2 on 1 to begin the 3rd.

 

[WarriorofTime]

He is facing a lot of teenagers, the top 5 scorers ages on his team for instance are: 18, 19, 20, 19 & 18. Sure NCAA goes up higher in age than other Junior leagues but the high end guys aren't hanging around there until 24. They're out by 21.

Tonight's game should show just how wrong you are here. Look at the team they played, Number 2 in the country

Here is who they iced for the National Semifinal, broken by their year of birth, and their age as of December 31, 2022.

Goalie:
1 2000 (22)

Defensemen:
3 1998s (24)
1 1999 (23)
2 2001s (21)
1 2003 (19)

Forwards:
2 1998s (24)
4 1999s (23)
2 2000s (22)
3 2002 (20)
1 2003 (19)

That's FIVE guys that were already 24 by the time we rang in the New Year. They were last Junior eligible in 2017-18. In general, only two guys iced in the entire lineup that were eligible to play Juniors this year.

 

[Herby]

Tonight's game should show just how wrong you are here. Look at the team they played, Number 2 in the country

Here is who they iced for the National Semifinal, broken by their year of birth, and their age as of December 31, 2022.

Goalie:
1 2000 (22)

Defensemen:
3 1998s (24)
1 1999 (23)
2 2001s (21)
1 2003 (19)

Forwards:
2 1998s (24)
4 1999s (23)
2 2000s (22)
3 2002 (20)
1 2003 (19)

That's FIVE guys that were already 24 by the time we rang in the New Year. They were last Junior eligible in 2017-18. In general, only two guys iced in the entire lineup that were eligible to play Juniors this year.

There is a reason that most players who leave the NCAA for major junior light it up in the CHL much more than they did in college. It's weaker competition, because of age.

Chaz Lucius was a solid player at Minnesota, but nothing amazing, he was nowhere close to the player Fantilli was as a freshman (and was older) and he put up 15 points in 6 games in the WHL. Small sample size, I know, but thats still 2.5 PPG for a guy who the season before wasn't even PPG in college.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

There is a reason that most players who leave the NCAA for major junior light it up in the CHL much more than they did in college. It's weaker competition, because of age.

Chaz Lucius was a solid player at Minnesota, but nothing amazing, he was nowhere close to the player Fantilli was as a freshman (and was older) and he put up 15 points in 6 games in the WHL. Small sample size, I know, but thats still 2.5 PPG for a guy who the season before wasn't even PPG in college.

Charlie Coyle is an ultimate example of this:

14 points in 16 games as a college sophomore, jumps to the QMJHL and puts up 72 points in 40 games, granted on a fairly loaded team at the time.

 

[Herby]

Charlie Coyle is an ultimate example of this:

14 points in 16 games as a college sophomore, jumps to the QMJHL and puts up 72 points in 40 games, granted on a fairly loaded team at the time.

Matt Foy back in the day is another one.

And this is not a knock on the CHL, there is obviously a huge amount of talent, but very good 20-24 year olds are going to be tougher competition for an 18 year old than very good to elite 16-19 year olds are.

Fantilli likely would have obliterated the OHL this year had he gone that route.

 

[AintLifeGrand]

how many pts you thin Bedard puts up in NCAA??

 

[Herby]

how many pts you thin Bedard puts up in NCAA??

Depends. Is he playing on Michigan/Minnesota or is he playing on Wisconsin/Vermont?

If he were on Michigan I assume he produces at a slightly higher rate than Fantilli. But he is also 9 months younger, he'd be the youngest player in the NCAA (I believe).

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

how many pts you thin Bedard puts up in NCAA??

If he is what people think/hope he is, and if he's on a team with talent, something close to 90+ if he plays 35+ games.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Probably like 40-45 goals, 80-85 points if he was in Fantilli's spot, but truth be told everyone is just guessing.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

If he is what people think/hope he is, and if he's on a team with talent, something close to 90+ if he plays 35+ games.

You think he'd have a higher ppg in the NCAA than the WHL? Lol.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Tonight's game should show just how wrong you are here. Look at the team they played, Number 2 in the country

Here is who they iced for the National Semifinal, broken by their year of birth, and their age as of December 31, 2022.

Goalie:
1 2000 (22)

Defensemen:
3 1998s (24)
1 1999 (23)
2 2001s (21)
1 2003 (19)

Forwards:
2 1998s (24)
4 1999s (23)
2 2000s (22)
3 2002 (20)
1 2003 (19)

That's FIVE guys that were already 24 by the time we rang in the New Year. They were last Junior eligible in 2017-18. In general, only two guys iced in the entire lineup that were eligible to play Juniors this year.

I don’t mind being wrong, no ego here I don’t follow college hockey and was just throwing a theory out there lol. He does look very old

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You think he'd have a higher ppg in the NCAA than the WHL? Lol.

I think he'd have a notably higher ppg than Eichel did. You want to split hairs and say 83+ or something, go wild.

 

[Deleted member 339941]

 

[Breakers]

Won the national rookie of the year

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

And the Hobey Baker.

 

[WayneGretzky]

Fantilli won Rookie of the Year AND the Hobey Baker! Pretty great case for 2nd Overall.

 

[BB88]

Fantilli won Rookie of the Year AND the Hobey Baker! Pretty great case for 2nd Overall.

Pretty insane that you can make a case for either Fantilli or Carlsson.

Not to mention someone can land Michkov at 4
Top of the draft is insane

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Pretty insane that you can make a case for either Fantilli or Carlsson.

Not to mention someone can land Michkov at 4
Top of the draft is insane

Kind of funny how the presumptive top 4 this year seems to mirror the actual top 4 of 2015.

 

[Breakers]

Well they didn’t penalize him for sportsmanship

His stats were undeniable

 

[GTA]

Knies robbed

 

[Namikaze Minato]

 

[Breakers]

Knies robbed

Not really