C Adam Fantilli - (2023, 3rd, CBJ) Part 2

[HanSolo]

Gonna be really f***ing cool when you guys get bored of this argument and this thread can go back to being about the player named in the title.

 

[jj cale]

Year after year, there are more and more Europeans in the draft.

New nationalities appear on the European circuits.

All European nations are progressing.

In recent years, we are 40% drafted Europeans. This year should be a record. Already last year, there were as many Europeans selected in the 1st round as North Americans.

Why would it stop ?


Demography speaks. Westerners are already a minority in many North American cities and in some American states. This was not at all the case during the Cold War.

You're deluding yourself.

 

[jj cale]

Start talking about him then.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

The statistics speak.

Look at the number of Europeans in the draft in the last 5 years.

There have never been so many. And it will continue into the next decade.

That is what is regrettable. The federations work to train players ; there is now the possibility of having very competitive teams but unfortunately there are no major international tournaments because the NHL monopolizes the system.

When I see the success of the U20 tournament, I have a lot of regrets personally.

World Championships deserves to be respected.

 

[simon IC]

Gonna be really f***ing cool when you guys get bored of this argument and this thread can go back to being about the player named in the title.

Agreed

 

[WayneGretzky]

 

[danyhabsfan]

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So Montembeault, Barron and Fantilli are representing the Habs.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Fantilli really could be the 2nd best C (or even the top one) on the roster as things stand now.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Fantilli really could be the 2nd best C (or even the top one) on the roster as things stand now.

Who's the 1st?

 

[HanSolo]

So Montembeault, Barron and Fantilli are representing the Habs.

Is Carlsson also representing the Habs for Sweden?

 

[danyhabsfan]

Is Carlsson also representing the Habs for Sweden?

No because Carlsson is going 3rd and we can't draft 3rd

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Who's the 1st?

At this moment in time, I'd argue Scott Laughton as he's an established NHL veteran having a career year and to Fantilli's disadvantage as a college player. Of course his upside is high enough that he could eclipse Laughton at some point next season.

 

[Grinner]

Yes, as it is the IOC's fault for imposing its competition in February. WC does not start until May 12. At this time, there will only be 4 NHL teams in the race.

NHL also has the option of advancing its regular season to September. An international tournament in September ? We would hear the same excuses: players must not be injured at the start of the season.

On the other hand, getting injured during a bad regular season game is not a problem. And when it's the NHL that organizes a World Cup that looks like nothing, it's no longer a problem. Everything is focused by this league. And sporting events are blocked because this league has only one interest : money for it-self. So sportingly, nothing ever happens. We only talk money.

When a draft (a non-sporting event) matters more than a world championship (potentially the most exciting sporting competition), there's a problem.

 

[Grinner]

Half of NHL players spend 6 months of the year without playing. At least 4. Hockey is held hostage by an imperialist business that seeks to crush the sport. This business deprives us of the best potential posters every year to impose its system with long regular seasons without sporting interest. I want to see Canada vs USA. It's more exciting and interesting than Dallas vs Toronto. As mentioned by the previous one, being world champion is not sportingly interesting for Bedard. But if being world champion with your country is not interesting, what is interesting in your career? Just get the best financial deals. Disgusting.

NHL is a problem for ice hockey. A fan like me is deprived of international tournaments every year for thousands of tasteless regular season matches and the general international public does not have access to high-level ice hockey. As for the federations, they are not rewarded for their efforts to train players. What is interesting for the Slovak federation to train players who will never play for Slovakia because of the NHL ? That the NHL dies.

The IOL is a business entity itself. Just like FIFA. Why should the NHL disrupt their business to help another. How much money does the Olympics pay the NHL. Zero

 

[BabyBennettov]

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So... Only Pierre-Olivier Joseph as a left-handed defenseman ? This is gonna be funny !

Weegar is a LHD now, how depressing... What a bum that guy is, incredible.

Hope Montembeault outplays Levi, so I don't hear about Buffalo's greatest savior for the whole summer...

Sooooooooooooooooo... Somebody can tell me where is that Fantilli thread ?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

They prefer to play in NHL because the pay gap is huge between NHL and SHL. Not for sporting love.

You're going to tell me: you see, it's money that makes sport.

Except that I am on another basis : would the players prefer to play 20 fewer regular season games? Yes. Would the players prefer to play 2 weeks for their country? Yes.

Reconciling sporting issues with economic issues, sharing between all players - that's how it works in Europe.

NHL is just money, money, money. The athlete is secondary. Respect for other institutions does not exist.

The IOC are scum and criminals. They deserve something but it isn't respect.

 

[ozzie]

The statistics speak.

Look at the number of Europeans in the draft in the last 5 years.

There have never been so many. And it will continue into the next decade.

That is what is regrettable. The federations work to train players ; there is now the possibility of having very competitive teams but unfortunately there are no major international tournaments because the NHL monopolizes the system.

When I see the success of the U20 tournament, I have a lot of regrets personally.

World Championships deserves to be respected.

IIHF could always re-schedule the World Championships outside of NHL playoffs or find a better time. The entire European hockey league structure could be changed to improve things. NHL is the best hockey in the world, they won't change for anyone. Not sure how the NHL monopolizes the system? by offering the best league and most money? European nations could make its own variant of the World Cup and work with the NHLPA maybe, or the NHL?

Even if the Worlds were at a different time, so many players will not play for whatever reasons. It's sad unfortunately. Unless Canada stipulates refusal = no Olympic team considerations. I can't speak for USA.

Who isn't respecting the World Championships? The NHL for holding it's playoffs?

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Welcome to Anaheim Mr. Fanta !

 

[Herby]

I had always thought that Zegras was a championship caliber 2C, and thought maybe MacTavish would be the same. Now I think things set up perfectly for the Ducks to move Zegras to the wing for the long-term.

Fantilli projects as an elite 1C, now you have MacTavish as the elite 2C and you can play Zegras on the wing with Fantilli. One of the best distributors in the league next to a guy with a lethal shot, they will compliment each other well.

Obviously the Ducks are disappointed because Bedard is a once in a decade type guy, but they are getting a guy who would be a #1 pick many years and fits the franchise like a glove.

 

[HanSolo]

I had always thought that Zegras was a championship caliber 2C, and thought maybe MacTavish would be the same. Now I think things set up perfectly for the Ducks to move Zegras to the wing for the long-term.

Fantilli projects as an elite 1C, now you have MacTavish as the elite 2C and you can play Zegras on the wing with Fantilli. One of the best distributors in the league next to a guy with a lethal shot, they will compliment each other well.

Obviously the Ducks are disappointed because Bedard is a once in a decade type guy, but they are getting a guy who would be a #1 pick many years and fits the franchise like a glove.

Yeah most of us were rooting for the tank to result in a guaranteed third overall pick and with a 75% chance of dropping, only dropping to two is a pretty awesome result. Bedard was the dream, second overall was the hope. The only true bummer about the whole thing was that out of eleven teams possible Chicago had to be the one to win.

But anyway, back on topic, Fantilli is my hope but I'm reserving judgment to see how Carlsson looks at the WC. I'm okay with the Ducks foregoing Michkov. I might eat those words some day but I'm risk averse.

 

[ozzie]

So, depressing looking at the Canadian Roster, that's the best we can do. So many great players decline annually, very frustrating and disappointing.

 

[Leonardo87]

I had always thought that Zegras was a championship caliber 2C, and thought maybe MacTavish would be the same. Now I think things set up perfectly for the Ducks to move Zegras to the wing for the long-term.

Fantilli projects as an elite 1C, now you have MacTavish as the elite 2C and you can play Zegras on the wing with Fantilli. One of the best distributors in the league next to a guy with a lethal shot, they will compliment each other well.

Obviously the Ducks are disappointed because Bedard is a once in a decade type guy, but they are getting a guy who would be a #1 pick many years and fits the franchise like a glove.

Hit the nail on the head, obviously Bedard was the prize, but Fantilli fits the Ducks needs more. Also agree that Zegras is destined for the wing. He has been playing there on and off this season.

 

[Torts]

Can we talk about Fantilli again here????

Future Duck....but hopefully and selfishly not next season lol

 

[Kalv]

Can we talk about Fantilli again here????

Future Duck....but hopefully and selfishly not next season lol

Has the idea of him returning been up there? I can't imagine what else he could do in the NCAA But Verbeek doesn't want to rush his prospects so... perhaps there is some chance.

(assuming we pick Fantilli, which really really seems as the most realistic option)

 

[Torts]

Has the idea of him returning been up there? I can't imagine what else he could do in the NCAA But Verbeek doesn't want to rush his prospects so... perhaps there is some chance.

(assuming we pick Fantilli, which really really seems as the most realistic option)

Earlier this season I was 50/50 and figured it might come down to who drafts him. However, after how he finished, winning Hobey Baker and now competing at World Championships I feel he's pro next year 100%.